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Investec Champions Cup 23/24 - Rd 4

Looking like Leinster vs Munster if Toulouse get 5 points I feel.
We were 2nd best tonight no complaints.
Looking at 2 cards and listening to Saints coaches after game they seem to accept both were correct calls.
Yellow we all agree was correct. The red I think was correct. I think to CJs red vs SA years ago. No malice but when you go in then the care of duty kicks in. There was no malice and it wasn't an international red. We all accept that bit Tom Ahern was effected by the actions and the duty of care kicks in.
On Saints I said it before they were a team I didn't want to see. I knew they wouldn't fear us. And they didn't. They play a lovely brand of rugby and I don't think I've seen a team in Limerick with fast ruck speed. They are a well drilled team.
Fin Smith is the real deal. Has a run game, has a rugby IQ and has a kicking game. Also his kicking at goal was superb.

We will retreat and well who knows if it is us vs Leinster then it a game where form goes away I think and with injured lads returning and Leinster lads spend after 6 Nations then maybe we might shock the world
 
munstermuffin said:
Looking like Leinster vs Munster if Toulouse get 5 points I feel.
We were 2nd best tonight no complaints.
Looking at 2 cards and listening to Saints coaches after game they seem to accept both were correct calls.
Yellow we all agree was correct. The red I think was correct. I think to CJs red vs SA years ago. No malice but when you go in then the care of duty kicks in. There was no malice and it wasn't an international red. We all accept that bit Tom Ahern was effected by the actions and the duty of care kicks in.
On Saints I said it before they were a team I didn't want to see. I knew they wouldn't fear us. And they didn't. They play a lovely brand of rugby and I don't think I've seen a team in Limerick with fast ruck speed. They are a well drilled team.
Fin Smith is the real deal. Has a run game, has a rugby IQ and has a kicking game. Also his kicking at goal was superb.

We will retreat and well who knows if it is us vs Leinster then it a game where form goes away I think and with injured lads returning and Leinster lads spend after 6 Nations then maybe we might shock the world
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Can't happen. You have either Saints or Bordeaux and it's Tigers or Racing for us unless something incredibly weird happens in the Sale match.
 
Leonormous Boozer said:
Can't happen. You have either Saints or Bordeaux and it's Tigers or Racing for us unless something incredibly weird happens in the Sale match.
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Not 100% but was just told we possibly can finish seed 15 if Sale win. Leinster are seed 2 if Toulouse get 5 points.
Saints if La Rochelle win more likely
 
munstermuffin said:
Looking like Leinster vs Munster if Toulouse get 5 points I feel.
We were 2nd best tonight no complaints.
Looking at 2 cards and listening to Saints coaches after game they seem to accept both were correct calls.
Yellow we all agree was correct. The red I think was correct. I think to CJs red vs SA years ago. No malice but when you go in then the care of duty kicks in. There was no malice and it wasn't an international red. We all accept that bit Tom Ahern was effected by the actions and the duty of care kicks in.
On Saints I said it before they were a team I didn't want to see. I knew they wouldn't fear us. And they didn't. They play a lovely brand of rugby and I don't think I've seen a team in Limerick with fast ruck speed. They are a well drilled team.
Fin Smith is the real deal. Has a run game, has a rugby IQ and has a kicking game. Also his kicking at goal was superb.

We will retreat and well who knows if it is us vs Leinster then it a game where form goes away I think and with injured lads returning and Leinster lads spend after 6 Nations then maybe we might shock the world
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Slide tackle to the face, if both NH cards were fully deserved I can't see how that should be unpunished?
 
Jimbo said:
Slide tackle to the face, if both NH cards were fully deserved I can't see how that should be unpunished?
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Which slide tackle. Frisch??? He clearly lifted both legs in air to avoid contact if you saw conditions you'd know. Don't think there was even a reaction from Saints or did I miss something that actually warranted talking about and noone has mentioned from both camps
 
munstermuffin said:
Which slide tackle. Frisch??? He clearly lifted both legs in air to avoid contact if you saw conditions you'd know. Don't think there was even a reaction from Saints or did I miss something that actually warranted talking about and noone has mentioned from both camps
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Not sure who it was tbh, when Saints scored their last try, it looked pretty clear to me at the time, saints player was on the floor holding his face for a minute or so after, maybe there wasn't any contact and that's why it didn't get looked at but not what I felt at the time or on any replays, if he did make contact though for me that should carry far less leniency than other situations it was pretty pointless and damn right reckless, entirely avoidable not a perfect storm a semi unique set of circumstances lead to unlike both reds prem clubs have seen this weekend.

Edit: not that I'm saying it should be red, just that if duty of care is a thing he failed miserably and there really is no way to not punish it or understand why it happened in terms of rugby incident etc.
 
For like half a second then I thought Binny had actually done something good and then he decided to throw that offload.
 
It was a knee right to the face by Fisch on Graham, I was amazed they didn't check it - saints said to the ref and he just told them to get on with the conversion
 
Jimbo said:
Not sure who it was tbh, when Saints scored their last try, it looked pretty clear to me at the time, saints player was on the floor holding his face for a minute or so after, maybe there wasn't any contact and that's why it didn't get looked at but not what I felt at the time or on any replays, if he did make contact though for me that should carry far less leniency than other situations it was pretty pointless and damn right reckless, entirely avoidable not a perfect storm a semi unique set of circumstances lead to unlike both reds prem clubs have seen this weekend.
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It was Frisch and TMO did look at it and said nothing to see. Saints didn't react at all and it clear there was no slide tackle. He got his leg up and out of way. That was as obvious as weather. There was plenty of replays in stadium. Saints didn't even appeal shows there was nothing. If he did slide tackle or stids then different story
 
munstermuffin said:
It was Frisch and TMO did look at it and said nothing to see. Saints didn't react at all and it clear there was no slide tackle. He got his leg up and out of way. That was as obvious as weather. There was plenty of replays in stadium. Saints didn't even appeal shows there was nothing. If he did slide tackle or stids then different story
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Saints did react, ref waved it on!
 
TRF_Olyy said:
It was a knee right to the face by Fisch on Graham, I was amazed they didn't check it - saints said to the ref and he just told them to get on with the conversion
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TMO did look. I gave the report from TMO
 
And that right there is why Farrell should never see another England cap 😂 😂
 
I get that initially they were just trying to keep the players apart but I really don't like pitchside staff laying any hands on players during those kinds of situations.
 
munstermuffin said:
It was Frisch and TMO did look at it and said nothing to see. Saints didn't react at all and it clear there was no slide tackle. He got his leg up and out of way. That was as obvious as weather. There was plenty of replays in stadium. Saints didn't even appeal shows there was nothing. If he did slide tackle or stids then different story
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I'd be inclined to agree with that if we hadn't had 30 minutes of commentary saying there's no such thing as an accident and any knee to head contact is a straight red regardless

Facts are facts and he slid in recklessly after a try was scored and hit someone square in the face with his knee
Don't think he meant to do it but he did it
 

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