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Incredible Schalk
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He's an Edinburgh fan, to not have Evans on would be madness as Cairns spent the whole game going backwards.
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 9 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I can't understand this bias for your own club players in the international side, I've no problems with a Leinster player getting overlooked for the better player from whatever side.
I can't understand this bias for your own club players in the international side, I've no problems with a Leinster player getting overlooked for the better player from whatever side.
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An Tarbh
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Lecouls has been ruled out and has been replaced by Renaud Boyoud of Dax.
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I wouldn't say it's bias at all.
The reason why I wouldn't start Thom Evans is that he's played hardly any test rugby. Wouldn't start Parks cause he's ****. Morrison has kept his place in my time cause he's streets ahead of De Luca right now. I brought Paterson in because he was very good when he came on on saturday, I would play Kellock ahead of Jason White if Hines isn't fit. I'd keep Cairns because he can be effective, very effective, if given the ball. If we're not planing on playing it past hit it up Morrison then Cairns could probably be dropped for M. Evans coming into the centre, I just thought he was more dangerous on the wing.
And any rate, who else could you play?
1. Jacobson - ? Wouldn't let Murray Low into the team, doesn't do enough in the loose
2. Ford - Dougie Hall stands out in the wing, would give Thomson a crack but I think Ford is too powerful in the lose to drop
3. Dickinson - what other props do we have?
4. Hines - Kellock is close enough to him, but lacks the intense agression Hines has, and that's what we want.
5. Hamilton - been playing very well recently, though again I wouldn't have a problem with putting Kellock in.
6. Strokosh - very talented, streets ahead of the increasingly disapointing and workshy Ally Hogg
7 . Barclay - best 7 in Scotland right now.
8. Taylor - Well who else do we have there realistically, other than Hogg?
9. Blair - despite a poor game by his standards, still one of, if not the best 9 in the NH right now
10. Godman - Needs time and to be shown a little faith. Didn't play badly on Saturday, the quality of ball he got was god awful, improve the service and Godman will get our backline moving
11. M Evans - we saw it when he came on Saturday. Plus Webbo now thinks he's a fish
12. Morrison - Pretty 1 dimensional but still more effective than De Luca who doesn't have the temprement for thse games
13. Cairns - Well he's been the best 13 in Scotland over the past 2 years. He's not in this team for his defensive ability, but it's a damnsite better than Evans to me. Needs to be given the ball to show what he can do, so it all depends on whether or not we can get it past crash ball Morrison.
14. Paterson - Worlds best goal kicker and one of the few to come away from Saturday with head held high. Lamont was too absent for my liking.
15. Southwell - Another dependable performance from Shug I thought. Needs to learn to pass on 2 on 1s and hoofing it into the air isn't always required. But nonetheless, a sound performance from him so I would keep him in the team.
Plus, the league table doesn't lie. We're above the Weegies, we twatted them at Murrayfield, lost Narrowly in Glasgow despite not playing well. They are a good side and have some quality players but I think the boys in black and red just shade them.
The reason why I wouldn't start Thom Evans is that he's played hardly any test rugby. Wouldn't start Parks cause he's ****. Morrison has kept his place in my time cause he's streets ahead of De Luca right now. I brought Paterson in because he was very good when he came on on saturday, I would play Kellock ahead of Jason White if Hines isn't fit. I'd keep Cairns because he can be effective, very effective, if given the ball. If we're not planing on playing it past hit it up Morrison then Cairns could probably be dropped for M. Evans coming into the centre, I just thought he was more dangerous on the wing.
And any rate, who else could you play?
1. Jacobson - ? Wouldn't let Murray Low into the team, doesn't do enough in the loose
2. Ford - Dougie Hall stands out in the wing, would give Thomson a crack but I think Ford is too powerful in the lose to drop
3. Dickinson - what other props do we have?
4. Hines - Kellock is close enough to him, but lacks the intense agression Hines has, and that's what we want.
5. Hamilton - been playing very well recently, though again I wouldn't have a problem with putting Kellock in.
6. Strokosh - very talented, streets ahead of the increasingly disapointing and workshy Ally Hogg
7 . Barclay - best 7 in Scotland right now.
8. Taylor - Well who else do we have there realistically, other than Hogg?
9. Blair - despite a poor game by his standards, still one of, if not the best 9 in the NH right now
10. Godman - Needs time and to be shown a little faith. Didn't play badly on Saturday, the quality of ball he got was god awful, improve the service and Godman will get our backline moving
11. M Evans - we saw it when he came on Saturday. Plus Webbo now thinks he's a fish
12. Morrison - Pretty 1 dimensional but still more effective than De Luca who doesn't have the temprement for thse games
13. Cairns - Well he's been the best 13 in Scotland over the past 2 years. He's not in this team for his defensive ability, but it's a damnsite better than Evans to me. Needs to be given the ball to show what he can do, so it all depends on whether or not we can get it past crash ball Morrison.
14. Paterson - Worlds best goal kicker and one of the few to come away from Saturday with head held high. Lamont was too absent for my liking.
15. Southwell - Another dependable performance from Shug I thought. Needs to learn to pass on 2 on 1s and hoofing it into the air isn't always required. But nonetheless, a sound performance from him so I would keep him in the team.
Plus, the league table doesn't lie. We're above the Weegies, we twatted them at Murrayfield, lost Narrowly in Glasgow despite not playing well. They are a good side and have some quality players but I think the boys in black and red just shade them.
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An Tarbh
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how long will Murray be out for?
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edinburgh_gunner
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Well they say 'slow and steady' recovery. But ribs can take a while to heal. I broke 2 of mine earlier in the season and played at prop with them broken and it was hellish, took about 5-6 weeks for me to be fully fit again. So I'd say maybe too soon for Murray on this one, though Hines feels confident he will be back.
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An Tarbh
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Lievremont makes 4 changes to the side which lost out in Dublin last weekend. Romain Millo-Chluski, Fabian Barcella, Nicolas Mas and Cedric Heymans come in for Sébastien Chabal, Lionel Faure, Benoit Lecouls and Julien Malzieu.
France XV: Poitrenaud (Toulouse), Medard (Toulouse), Fritz (Toulouse), Jauzion (Toulouse), Heymans (Toulouse), Beauxis (Paris), Tillous-Borde (Castres), Barcella (Biarritz), Szarzewski (Paris), Mas (Perpignan), Nallet© (Castres), Millo-Chluski (Toulouse), Dusautoir (Toulouse), Ouedrago (Montpellier), Harinordoquy (Biarritz)
Replacements: Kayser (Leicester), Boyoud (Dax), Chabal (Sale), Picamoles (Montpellier), Parra (Bourgoin), Baby (Clermont), Malzieu (Clermont)
France XV: Poitrenaud (Toulouse), Medard (Toulouse), Fritz (Toulouse), Jauzion (Toulouse), Heymans (Toulouse), Beauxis (Paris), Tillous-Borde (Castres), Barcella (Biarritz), Szarzewski (Paris), Mas (Perpignan), Nallet© (Castres), Millo-Chluski (Toulouse), Dusautoir (Toulouse), Ouedrago (Montpellier), Harinordoquy (Biarritz)
Replacements: Kayser (Leicester), Boyoud (Dax), Chabal (Sale), Picamoles (Montpellier), Parra (Bourgoin), Baby (Clermont), Malzieu (Clermont)
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Incredible Schalk
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Im happy Heymans is in for Malzieu, JM is a much more dangerous and powerful runner imo whilst Heymans is horribly overated.
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An Tarbh
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I wasn't overly impressed with Heymans on Saturday, surprised at Chabal being dropped, thought he had a decent game as well, although it still makes sense to have 2 locks as far as I'm concerned.
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Incredible Schalk
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He never really has impressed me, hes not strong like Malzieu and although he is vey fast he seems to take the direct approach to often. Their obviously looking to exploit the Scottish scrum (understandably) by playing two genuine lock and losing some power in the loose.
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 10 2009, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
well he did go quiet in the second half so wasn't offering much in the loose but he had put in some effort in the first half, shame for France he couldn't keep it up.
well he did go quiet in the second half so wasn't offering much in the loose but he had put in some effort in the first half, shame for France he couldn't keep it up.
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 10 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.
We'll see how he does against Scotland...
You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 10 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You obviously don't know what you're talking about... Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.
We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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He is just giving his opinion, with which I agree by the way. Malzieu is a true winger, very strong and fast and he's a try scorer.
The interesting thing with Heymans is more is ability to create and play with others. He also has a big boot and a great long pass.
Both are world class and would bring something different, but it's all pleasure to watch in the end for us!
You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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He is just giving his opinion, with which I agree by the way. Malzieu is a true winger, very strong and fast and he's a try scorer.
The interesting thing with Heymans is more is ability to create and play with others. He also has a big boot and a great long pass.
Both are world class and would bring something different, but it's all pleasure to watch in the end for us!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 10 2009, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You obviously don't know what you're talking about... Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.
We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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I do, what has Heymans ever done on the international stage that justifies him as being "one of the best wingers in the world" ?. He is a fb/wingers anyway and is probably only the 4th best winger in France behind Rougerie,Clerc and Malzieu. Good player but overated.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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I do, what has Heymans ever done on the international stage that justifies him as being "one of the best wingers in the world" ?. He is a fb/wingers anyway and is probably only the 4th best winger in France behind Rougerie,Clerc and Malzieu. Good player but overated.
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Charles
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THere's no way that Rougerie is better than Heymans Clerc or even Malzieu...He's big and strong but that's about it. Almost never offloads, and is inneffective if not at full speed.
As for Heymans, well for example he set up a good part of the French tries of last years 6 nations .
As for Heymans, well for example he set up a good part of the French tries of last years 6 nations .
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Feb 10 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You obviously don't know what you're talking about... Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.
We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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I do, what has Heymans ever done on the international stage that justifies him as being "one of the best wingers in the world" ?. He is a fb/wingers anyway and is probably only the 4th best winger in France behind Rougerie,Clerc and Malzieu. Good player but overated.
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To me Heymans is more a creator, he has great skills, including passing and that's why he scores less than real finisher like Clerc or Rougerie. Unlike those two, I must admit he never scored important tries against great nations (maybe one or two against Australia and South Africa in the 2004-2006 period but that's all) but he's still a world class player to me. Don't forget his memorable action against Munster on the last Heineken Cup Final too. On a purely esthetic judgement, it's one of the players I always love to watch, fast, elegant, sometimes genius...
But I must admit that he seems completely burned since the end of the last season. He needs some rest.. I guess Lievremont wants to test him before the next game, but to me Malzieu has the best chance to play at wing against the welsh, he has been the best french back last saturday.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about...
Heymans is one of the best wingers in the world. His problem is that he has been playing non stop since the RWC and he is nowhere near 100%, but probably more around 50% of his capabilities.We'll see how he does against Scotland...
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I do, what has Heymans ever done on the international stage that justifies him as being "one of the best wingers in the world" ?. He is a fb/wingers anyway and is probably only the 4th best winger in France behind Rougerie,Clerc and Malzieu. Good player but overated.
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To me Heymans is more a creator, he has great skills, including passing and that's why he scores less than real finisher like Clerc or Rougerie. Unlike those two, I must admit he never scored important tries against great nations (maybe one or two against Australia and South Africa in the 2004-2006 period but that's all) but he's still a world class player to me. Don't forget his memorable action against Munster on the last Heineken Cup Final too. On a purely esthetic judgement, it's one of the players I always love to watch, fast, elegant, sometimes genius...
But I must admit that he seems completely burned since the end of the last season. He needs some rest.. I guess Lievremont wants to test him before the next game, but to me Malzieu has the best chance to play at wing against the welsh, he has been the best french back last saturday.
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I'd probably move Max Evans at 13, to see what he can do, Ben Cairns on the bench, he can cover at fullback and wing...useful.
I'm tempted to say Paterson at 15, Southwell was good but I think Paterson had a better counter-attack on Sunday, it'll be key against the French.
Strockhosh (sp?) at 6 for sure, I'd be stupid not to play him there.
Cusiter before Blair, kick him up the arse, make him play harder so he gets the captaincy for the Lions...how awesome would that be, like 4 players in the whole 40 man squad on tour, four years on, a Scottish captain for the Lions.
White on bench, Scott Gray on bench.
We need some decent scrummagers in the front row, mobility would be useful too...but Dickinson was pish in the scrum on Sunday, which totally outweighed every other part of his game for me.
Thom Evans to start for Webster, Sean to other wing...or Rory (it fit?)
I also think the centers should play a left and right game as opposed to inside and outside, battered Morrison up the 10/12 channel constantly won't get you anywhere, throwing some pace/linebreaking down that channel could really open the game up.
Less kicking, keep the ball in hand, recycle and earn the right to go wide...for this we need an out and out fetcher 7, Ross Rennie, get well soon and stop being injured. Plus, I saw him step Doug Howlett with my own eyes...left him for dead...that's what Scotland need.
I'm tempted to say Paterson at 15, Southwell was good but I think Paterson had a better counter-attack on Sunday, it'll be key against the French.
Strockhosh (sp?) at 6 for sure, I'd be stupid not to play him there.
Cusiter before Blair, kick him up the arse, make him play harder so he gets the captaincy for the Lions...how awesome would that be, like 4 players in the whole 40 man squad on tour, four years on, a Scottish captain for the Lions.
White on bench, Scott Gray on bench.
We need some decent scrummagers in the front row, mobility would be useful too...but Dickinson was pish in the scrum on Sunday, which totally outweighed every other part of his game for me.
Thom Evans to start for Webster, Sean to other wing...or Rory (it fit?)
I also think the centers should play a left and right game as opposed to inside and outside, battered Morrison up the 10/12 channel constantly won't get you anywhere, throwing some pace/linebreaking down that channel could really open the game up.
Less kicking, keep the ball in hand, recycle and earn the right to go wide...for this we need an out and out fetcher 7, Ross Rennie, get well soon and stop being injured. Plus, I saw him step Doug Howlett with my own eyes...left him for dead...that's what Scotland need.
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An Tarbh
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if Scotland kick as much possession back to the French then they could be in serious trouble, I don't think their defence can handle it like we did.
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I don't think we can compare Heymans and Malzieu, apart from their physical on one day.
They have a complete difference way of playing. Heymans beeing as it's been said a pure creator while Malzieu has the ability to go trought, turn around the defense players and wait eternaly if the support hasn't followed nearly, what has chances to happen in unpredictive counter attacks.
As many other players can more easily be watched one by one (scrum and fly half, first line) I think then what is more interresting to judge and comment is how players in the back line are associated. Appreciating a duo or a trio association is for me here more effective.
They have a complete difference way of playing. Heymans beeing as it's been said a pure creator while Malzieu has the ability to go trought, turn around the defense players and wait eternaly if the support hasn't followed nearly, what has chances to happen in unpredictive counter attacks.
As many other players can more easily be watched one by one (scrum and fly half, first line) I think then what is more interresting to judge and comment is how players in the back line are associated. Appreciating a duo or a trio association is for me here more effective.
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An Tarbh
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if Fritz does get suspended, doesn't look likely I know, but if, will Mermoz or Baby come into the starting lineup?
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