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Honestly it a lunge by Albon but there was a gap left by Stroll and he would of made the corner. I dont see how he's predominantly at fault.
 
ncurd said:
Honestly it a lunge by Albon but there was a gap left by Stroll and he would of made the corner. I dont see how he's predominantly at fault.
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If you're going to lunge you really need to be alongside the car by the time they would turn in, not just having your nose coming up to the middle of the car.
 
The_Blindside said:
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*decides not to go off on one about this sort of thing being a regular occurrence due euthanasia being a criminal offence that carries a stern custodial sentence*

The race was alright but am I the only one who thinks the whole braking before the DRS line thing is totally Mickey Mouse? They wouldn't let that sort of thing near something more experimental like Formula E (although such tactics can naturally occur in bike races with the finish line at the end of a long straight).

Seems guidelines on driving standards (as seen by Albon penalty) are increasing wheel to wheel racing as oppose chassis to chassis carnage. I had Ocon down as one of the most passive racers but he was seriously hacked off.

The fact we had Ocon / Alonso and Verstappen / Leclerc fighting back at each other after an overtake is possibly the clearest sign yet that the new regs are helping cars to stick close behind the one in front.

Being less positive I found the whole 'Perez can hold a falsely (but innocently) gained position for 4 laps' bizarre and not a step forward in terms of administration of the sport. I assume it's a freak occurrence and that if Perez had say cut a corner in order to get his nose infront at the safety car he'd have been ordered to give the position up? Otherwise I'd be ordering my drivers to try that next time.
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
assume it's a freak occurrence and that if Perez had say cut a corner in order to get his nose infront at the safety car he'd have been ordered to give the position up? Otherwise I'd be ordering my drivers to try that next time.
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Ocon cut the 1st chicane and gave the position back within half a lap. On borderline things like Perez's incident it won't be great but I think it's a lot better than previous.
 
The thing that bothered me about the Perez decision is that it's a black and white decision. Whoever gets to the safety car line first gets the spot. The team took four laps to tell him to give it back; either race control should penalize Perez or tell him to give up the spot. I'd much prefer race control telling him to give it up. For calls about someone going off track and gaining a position I can see letting things play out a little more since there can be arguments to be made.
 
die_mole said:
The thing that bothered me about the Perez decision is that it's a black and white decision. Whoever gets to the safety car line first gets the spot. The team took four laps to tell him to give it back; either race control should penalize Perez or tell him to give up the spot. I'd much prefer race control telling him to give it up. For calls about someone going off track and gaining a position I can see letting things play out a little more since there can be arguments to be made.
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Yes. It was black and white AND it gave a clear advantage to the team in question (but not the driver). I'd say "gaining a clear advantage" should be extended to the team and not just the driver. But I'm struggling to think of scenarios where the rule can be exploited so much, so would just drop it and hope it was a freak one off.
 
now imagine Perez does beat sainz to the line but doesn't squeeze him out. He would lose out a spot for not being a dick. Really incentivizing the wrong thing here.
 
Yes. I'm also thinking in terms of being in the wrong position for 4 laps of safety car (say 10 mins of race time with a clear wrong not being righted). So if I gain at advantage at a corner can I get many minutes to decide whether to surrender the place? Can I perhaps extend it to 6-10 mins, inadvertantly ruining an opponent's race a bit before giving the space back by taking a scheduled pit stop at my own convenience?

Totally hypothetical but its the sort of scenario this hands off, 'law of the jungle' approach appears to be inadvertently encouraging (unless I'm missing something fundamental as a result of the Perez incident being under the safety car?).
 
Even though Perez gave the place back straight after the safety car, it meant Sainz was in no place to pressure Verstappen. That could have potentially swung things in Leclerc's favour if he had been able to do so, even if unlikely. I think in a clear cut case like that they should be told to give the place back under safety car.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Even though Perez gave the place back straight after the safety car, it meant Sainz was in no place to pressure Verstappen. That could have potentially swung things in Leclerc's favour if he had been able to do so, even if unlikely. I think in a clear cut case like that they should be told to give the place back under safety car.
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It's been clarified for this season that race control won't tell drivers to give places back. It's up to the driver/team to decide, and if race control disagrees with the decision then they'll issue a penalty.

Overtaking is also illegal under a safety car, so Perez couldn't have given the place to Sainz under safety car as it would've been an overtake rather than a race control mandated position swap. Giving the place back immediately after safety car is all Perez/Red Bull could have done.
 
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Pieter Steph du Teague said:
It's been clarified for this season that race control won't tell drivers to give places back. It's up to the driver/team to decide, and if race control disagrees with the decision then they'll issue a penalty.

Overtaking is also illegal under a safety car, so Perez couldn't have given the place to Sainz under safety car as it would've been an overtake rather than a race control mandated position swap. Giving the place back immediately after safety car is all Perez/Red Bull could have done.
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I know it's been changed but I just think it's daft. In such a situation the drivers should swap under the safety car with a provision to allow teams to do that and the penalty should apply if it has not been completed before the safety car comes in, otherwise teams can potentially play silly buggers with safety cars by having 1 car overtake under the safety car, go "oops sorry", bugger up another teams restart and then hand the position back, the damage already done.
 
Pieter Steph du Teague said:
It's been clarified for this season that race control won't tell drivers to give places back. It's up to the driver/team to decide, and if race control disagrees with the decision then they'll issue a penalty.

Overtaking is also illegal under a safety car, so Perez couldn't have given the place to Sainz under safety car as it would've been an overtake rather than a race control mandated position swap. Giving the place back immediately after safety car is all Perez/Red Bull could have done.
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Yes overtaking under a safety car is illegal which is why Perez should give his place up for his illegal overtake under a safety car. You are just creating an incentive to do an illegal thing cause undoing it would be the same illegal thing was done first.

Red Bull essentially got to choose between allowing Perez attacking sainz for third or Perez defending Verstappen from sainz. That's not how the rule works.

It's like the penalized team deciding whether the other team takes a scrum, kicks for points, or goes to the corner.
 
Ah well, wouldn't be the first time Verstappen and Red Bull have benefited from dodgy application of the rules.
 
Pieter Steph du Teague said:
It's been clarified for this season that race control won't tell drivers to give places back. It's up to the driver/team to decide, and if race control disagrees with the decision then they'll issue a penalty.

Overtaking is also illegal under a safety car, so Perez couldn't have given the place to Sainz under safety car as it would've been an overtake rather than a race control mandated position swap. Giving the place back immediately after safety car is all Perez/Red Bull could have done.
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Can race control issue a penalty before they announce 'incident under investigation'? Because that's a solid couple of minutes you can hold onto an illegal pass for starters.
 
Latifi with 5 consecutive crashes... I don't know how much money he is bringing in a pay driver but it cannot be covering the cost of the damage he is causing. Stroll, another pay driver, playing a massive role in it too. Pay drivers are the absolute bane of the sport.
 
The race was alright. Leclerc did everything right. Mercedes had good spells, but still well behind the top two. Would've been nice to see a Hamilton Perez battle, but the safety car put stops to that. Albon did the whole race (minus 1 lap) on one set so strategies could be very different this year and the new regs definitely making the racing better.
 

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