Exeter Chiefs thread

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

With all of the leavers now announced it looks like this will be next seasons squad (unless we have more signings on the way).

Senior Academy in bold

1. Sio, Abuladze, Hepburn, Keast, Kenny, Southworth, Morris
2. Frost, Yeandle, Innard, Harris, Burrows, Norey, Hocking
3. Schickerling, Painter, Street, Iosefa-Scott, Johnson, Richardson
4. Gray, Williams, Bell
5. Jenkins, Dunne, Teague, Bailey
6. Roots, Davis
7. Tshiunza, Pearson
8. Vermeulen, Capstick, Tuima, Fisilau, Grubb
9. Maunder, Townsend, Becconsall, Cairns, James
10. Skinner, Hayden-Wood, Jenkins
11. Woodburn, Relton
12. Hawkins, Devoto, Hendrickson, Ribbons, McCaig
13. Slade, O'Loughlin, Wimbush, Gentry
14. Wyatt, Feyi-Waboso, Nowell
15. Hodge, John, Hammersley, Joseland

Giving a likely 23 of:
1. Sio
2. Frost
3. Schickerling
4. Gray
5. Jenkins
6. Roots
7. Tshiunza
8. Vermeulen
9. Maunder
10. Skinner
11. Woodburn
12. Hawkins
13. Slade
14. Wyatt
15. Hodge

16. Yeandle
17. Abuladze
18. Painter
19. Williams
20. Capstick
21. Townsend
22. Hayden-Wood
23. O'Loughlin

 

[AngloScotsHybrid]

With all of the leavers now announced it looks like this will be next seasons squad (unless we have more signings on the way).

Senior Academy in bold

1. Sio, Abuladze, Hepburn, Keast, Kenny, Southworth, Morris
2. Frost, Yeandle, Innard, Harris, Burrows, Norey, Hocking
3. Schickerling, Painter, Street, Iosefa-Scott, Johnson, Richardson
4. Gray, Williams, Bell
5. Jenkins, Dunne, Teague, Bailey
6. Roots, Davis
7. Tshiunza, Pearson
8. Vermeulen, Capstick, Tuima, Fisilau, Grubb
9. Maunder, Townsend, Becconsall, Cairns, James
10. Skinner, Hayden-Wood, Jenkins
11. Woodburn, Relton
12. Hawkins, Devoto, Hendrickson, Ribbons, McCaig
13. Slade, O'Loughlin, Wimbush, Gentry
14. Wyatt, Feyi-Waboso, Nowell
15. Hodge, John, Hammersley, Joseland

Giving a likely 23 of:
1. Sio
2. Frost
3. Schickerling
4. Gray
5. Jenkins
6. Roots
7. Tshiunza
8. Vermeulen
9. Maunder
10. Skinner
11. Woodburn
12. Hawkins
13. Slade
14. Wyatt
15. Hodge

16. Yeandle
17. Abuladze
18. Painter
19. Williams
20. Capstick
21. Townsend
22. Hayden-Wood
23. O'Loughlin

Is Teague any relation to Mike?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Hawkins has 5 days to prove he signed for Exeter before his first cap otherwise it's no WC for him. I can't imagine he'll be a happy camper but I'm sure he'll get over it.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

With all of the leavers now announced it looks like this will be next seasons squad (unless we have more signings on the way).

Senior Academy in bold

1. Sio, Abuladze, Hepburn, Keast, Kenny, Southworth, Morris
2. Frost, Yeandle, Innard, Harris, Burrows, Norey, Hocking
3. Schickerling, Painter, Street, Iosefa-Scott, Johnson, Richardson
4. Gray, Williams, Bell
5. Jenkins, Dunne, Teague, Bailey
6. Roots, Davis
7. Tshiunza, Pearson
8. Vermeulen, Capstick, Tuima, Fisilau, Grubb
9. Maunder, Townsend, Becconsall, Cairns, James
10. Skinner, Hayden-Wood, Jenkins
11. Woodburn, Relton
12. Hawkins, Devoto, Hendrickson, Ribbons, McCaig
13. Slade, O'Loughlin, Wimbush, Gentry
14. Wyatt, Feyi-Waboso, Nowell
15. Hodge, John, Hammersley, Joseland

Giving a likely 23 of:
1. Sio
2. Frost
3. Schickerling
4. Gray
5. Jenkins
6. Roots
7. Tshiunza
8. Vermeulen
9. Maunder
10. Skinner
11. Woodburn
12. Hawkins
13. Slade
14. Wyatt
15. Hodge

16. Yeandle
17. Abuladze
18. Painter
19. Williams
20. Capstick
21. Townsend
22. Hayden-Wood
23. O'Loughlin

I reckon that's 62 players in total. How much game time, in whatever competition, are some of those going to get?

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Pirates announced their dual-registered players and I was pleasantly surprised to see that Tuima wasn't one of them. Hopefully means that Baxter's planning for him to get a good bit of game time in the Prem this season. It's about time really.

Tommy Wyatt was another notable absentee.

 

[higgik]

I reckon that's 62 players in total. How much game time, in whatever competition, are some of those going to get?

This is part of the financial problems with the whole Prem.
Maximum squad sizes of 35-40, with all academy players farmed out to Championship clubs, paid 50:50 between 2 clubs.
Would also mean smaller squads for Championship and stronger squads.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Maximum squad sizes of 35-40

tbf that's what Chiefs have there - senior squad of 42 plus 20 academy players

42 is probably a little high (35-38 I'd say is the sweet spot - that's a first choice 23 and a backup for each position) but you look down that list and it's not like they're front loading with A-Listers, a lot of senior players are very recent academy grads

 

[higgik]

tbf that's what Chiefs have there - senior squad of 42 plus 20 academy players

42 is probably a little high (35-38 I'd say is the sweet spot - that's a first choice 23 and a backup for each position) but you look down that list and it's not like they're front loading with A-Listers, a lot of senior players are very recent academy grads

So, the academy players should be 'farmed out' to Championship and league 1 clubs to get experience, rathet than heing 'stocked' at Chiefs, costing money.
An arrangement should be in place to be playing for other clubs, with them pucking up some of the costs.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So, the academy players should be 'farmed out' to Championship and league 1 clubs to get experience, rathet than heing 'stocked' at Chiefs

They do,
Every club sends their players away - at Sale we send players to Caldy, Sale FC and Fylde
Chiefs have players out at Cornish Pirates and presumably lower level clubs too

 

[higgik]

They do,
Every club sends their players away - at Sale we send players to Caldy, Sale FC and Fylde
Chiefs have players out at Cornish Pirates and presumably lower level clubs too

So why have the 20 academy players on the squad list.
The Premiership could have a limit of 35 players, with replacements from the academy only on long term injury.
Those injured players can also rehabilitate at the farm club. But the total maximum named squad size would be 35.
In the NFL, they have a squad size of 56 with 46 in a matchday squad.
They also have a practice squad of 12 players, who can only come in to replace a long term injured players.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Why not have 20 academy players in the squad list?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why would you want to limit premiership exposure for academy players?

The Currys, Rodd, Ashman, Roebuck, carpenter, Quirke all became first team players while in the academy
Same story with every club in the country - would Chessum be England's starting lock if he wasn't allowed to play for Tigers while in the academy?

 

[BPM]

Same goes for Marcus Smith and in fact the majority of Quins' academy products.

I wouldn't have thought Saracens are any different.

Really not sure what relevance NFL squad structures have to do with a completely different sport?

 

[stus768]

Chiefs youngsters head to the Pirates

www.exeterchiefs.co.uk

They're sending 12 academy guys to Pirates.

Issue is more for Pirates if Chiefs pull players away mid season.

 

[RedruthRFC]

So why have the 20 academy players on the squad list.
The Premiership could have a limit of 35 players, with replacements from the academy only on long term injury.
Those injured players can also rehabilitate at the farm club. But the total maximum named squad size would be 35.
In the NFL, they have a squad size of 56 with 46 in a matchday squad.
They also have a practice squad of 12 players, who can only come in to replace a long term injured players.

The whole point of the DR system is to maximise the game time that EAPs are able to get while minimising admin / paperwork. Adding an extra level of bureaucracy would be a backward step IMO. Whose interest is it in to force an academy player who isn't ready for top-level rugby to play it?

When rugby has comparable budgets to the NFL and a conveyor belt of talent like the collegiate system produces, maybe rugby can start to try to emulate the way that they run squads.

 

[Scotty]

@Pieter Steph du Teague what is our team looking like for the start of the season?

Giving a likely 23 of:
1. Sio
2. Frost
3. Schickerling
4. Dunne
5. ?
6. Roots
7. Fiilau
8. Vermeulen
9. Maunder? Do we still have 1? Sam? Id like Becconsall and Cairnes to get gametime if not
10. Skinner
11. Woodburn
12. Hawkins
13. O'Loughlin
14. Wyatt
15. Hodge

16. Yeandle
17. Abuladze
18. Painter
19. ?
20. Capstick
21. Townsend
22. Hayden-Wood
23. Feyi-Waboso

Is it just me or the start of season looking quite bleak in terms of squad depth? Or departures to signings have quite 1 sided.

Losing Grey Jenkins Tshiunza Slade doesnt help but still thats less than other some teams have international wise.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

NFL also doesn't develop their own talent and moves players in and out as they get injured. I don't know if it's the roster rules I'd want to emulate if you want to have talent going to England rep teams.

 

[Scotty]

Chiefs First Half: J Hodge; B Hammersley, T Hendrickson, O Devoto, T Wyatt; H Skinner, T Cairns; S Sio, J Yeandle (c), E Painter; M Postlethwaite, L Pearson (A Bell 35); E Roots, R Capstick, G Fisilau. Replacements (not used): O Burrows, J Iosefa-Scott, J Kenny, J Kpoku, J Bailey, K James, J Snow.

Chiefs Second Half: C McCaig; K Barton-Byfield, R O'Laughlin, C Ribbons, A Relton; W Haydon-Wood, W Becconsall (J Snow 75); B Keast, M Norey, P Schickerling; J Dunne, R Tuima (J Kpoku 77); A Davis (K James 77), J Vermeulen (c), R Vintcent. Replacements (not used): O Burrows, J Iosefa-Scott, J Kenny, J Bailey.

Tries - Pen, Wyatt, Cairns, Schickerling, Barton Byfield, Vintcent; Conversion - Skinner (2)

Chiefs team that beat Bristol first warm up game.

Match Report: Bristol Bears 31 Exeter Chiefs 36

www.exeterchiefs.co.uk

Dont know if it was televised anywhere.

Who is Kpoku who came on for Tuima? In the second half? Guessing its the younger Kpoku who was at Sarries and not the one who went to france? Didnt know we had him from Sarries? Or is it another one?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Chiefs First Half: J Hodge; B Hammersley, T Hendrickson, O Devoto, T Wyatt; H Skinner, T Cairns; S Sio, J Yeandle (c), E Painter; M Postlethwaite, L Pearson (A Bell 35); E Roots, R Capstick, G Fisilau. Replacements (not used): O Burrows, J Iosefa-Scott, J Kenny, J Kpoku, J Bailey, K James, J Snow.

Chiefs Second Half: C McCaig; K Barton-Byfield, R O'Laughlin, C Ribbons, A Relton; W Haydon-Wood, W Becconsall (J Snow 75); B Keast, M Norey, P Schickerling; J Dunne, R Tuima (J Kpoku 77); A Davis (K James 77), J Vermeulen (c), R Vintcent. Replacements (not used): O Burrows, J Iosefa-Scott, J Kenny, J Bailey.

Tries - Pen, Wyatt, Cairns, Schickerling, Barton Byfield, Vintcent; Conversion - Skinner (2)

Chiefs team that beat Bristol first warm up game.

Match Report: Bristol Bears 31 Exeter Chiefs 36

www.exeterchiefs.co.uk

Dont know if it was televised anywhere.

Who is Kpoku who came on for Tuima? In the second half? Guessing its the younger Kpoku who was at Sarries and not the one who went to france? Didnt know we had him from Sarries? Or is it another one?

Yep appears to be a different one. Junior Kpoku

 

[Scotty]

Yep appears to be a different one. Junior Kpoku

Literally called Junior.