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At Old Trafford for the Argentina 'away' test they certainly weren't. I should know, I was there.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 8 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
At Old Trafford for the Argentina 'away' test they certainly weren't. I should know, I was there.[/b]

Maybe that was because England played well? And they were definately better than us in Argentina
 
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How can I put this...
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Shoulder charge

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Very nice, but well over 12 months ago. Anything to show signs of form recently?

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2 man tackle while JSD was off balance from recovering a sloppy offload-pass. And forgetting JSD making him look like a fool for the rest of the match.

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Another late shoulder-charge with no attempt to wrap the arms.

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(actually links to the Argentina try) Any winger could do that. The genius came from Armitidges chip on and the Hipkiss/Cueto combination setting him up.

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His try isn't even on that video (only Foden, JTH and Mays on show). Anyway, he wasn't particularly good in that game.

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Performing awesome in the GP and scored 3 tries in three games for England,[/b]

Performing awesome is a massive overstatement, and 3 tries against shite opposition doesn't make him the next Underwood.

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what else do you want?[/b]

Pace and power being used with intelligence instead of acting like a poor mans Lomu.
Vision and touch to create opportunities for team mates (including dummy running) instead of waiting to nick the pickings from some chip over and racing against prop forwards.
Defence that's strong enough to stop opposition game-breakers, but isn't likely to result in a penalty and sin-binning for wreckless shoulder charging or high tackling.
Someone who's first instinct isn't to lump their opposite number when things aren't going their way for same reasons as above.
Someone like Noah Cato.
 
I don't rate Banahan much either. He gets much praise for being big and being on the wing...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 8 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
How can I put this...
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Shoulder charge
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No way is that a shoulder charge, inch perfect tackle, seriously, watch it again.

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Very nice, but well over 12 months ago. Anything to show signs of form recently?
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Well yes, actually, two tries in the league in an underperforming Bath team. Always a menace and has shown improvement in his defensive work.

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His try isn't even on that video (only Foden, JTH and Mays on show). Anyway, he wasn't particularly good in that game.
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That clip was just to show what an attribute he can be from the kick, it was a very good catch against an experienced international (49 tries) in Doug Howlett.

1 match where he got very little ball at his first competitive match at HQ is not enough to expell him from the side. He has earned his chance and i fully expect him to play next week and perform better. Matt Banahan is the right man for England at the moment, maybe not as a long term first choice, but certainly to be involved with the team up to the world cup and beyond.
 
Tries against Sale and Leicester, both of whoms defences have more leaks then a collinder full of Welshmen, is hardly an accomplishment. What about the 2 times he's been binned this year? Are they not worth mentioning? Or the fact he's only lasted the full game twice all season?
 
Wait until the end of the AIs, and if he's still isn't performing in an England shirt - fine, let him make way for someone else.
 
Banahan needs to shine in the next few matches if he's to be given another chance. He may be big and powerful but he's got no finesse, he can't kick the ball for **** and isn't very tactically aware.

I hope the team for when we play NZ is:

1. Payne
2. Thompson
3. Wilson
4. Lawes
5. Borthwick ©
6. Croft
7. Moody
8. Haskell
9. Care
10. Wilkinson
11. Cueto
12. Geraghty
13. Erinle
14. Monye
15. Foden

16. Hartley
17. Bell
18. Deacon
19. Crane
20. Hodgson
21. Banahan
22. Hipkiss

As far as I can see, we don't need Goode as cover at 10 as Geraghty can play 10 if Wilkinson is injured. Johnson is too knowledgable a person to make stupid mistakes like putting Monye at fullback. Enrinle looked hungry and dangerous for the little time he was on, Hartly looked good too but I'd still give Thompson the nod as starter. Haskell shouldn't be on the bench anyway. Foden is an infinitly better fullback than Monye, I do rate Monye though and I think he should start the game too, just on the wing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ali12 @ Nov 7 2009, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
However, there were some negatives:

- We seemed only to have two moves;

1. Miss Geraghty and give to Hipkiss to crash up the middle.
2. Give to Geraghty and let him pop it inside for a lumpy forward to run on to.[/b]

I dont know if it was just me, but one major flaw I saw from England was the distance of Wilko or Geraghty from the rucks. They were always standing 10m or more behind. This gave enough time and power for the Aussie defence to shut them down before they reach the advantage line.

If you look at the way Giteau controlled the game, he was always running at the balls and hitting it at the advantage line.

England need to sort this out quickly or they'll be in heaps trouble in the next few matches.
 
Therein lies Englands problem; Playing the 1st & 2nd 5/8 style with the creative and straight man (akin to Spencer and Carter for the ABs a few years back), only doing it backwards and shoehorning the creative maverick at 12 while putting Sir. Bootsalot in the playmakers shirt. Combine that with a gameplan without any flexibility or inventiveness (for that matter, without any balls) and it's easy to see whats wrong.
 
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Therein lies Englands problem; Playing the 1st & 2nd 5/8 style with the creative and straight man (akin to Spencer and Carter for the ABs a few years back), only doing it backwards and shoehorning the creative maverick at 12 while putting Sir. Bootsalot in the playmakers shirt. Combine that with a gameplan without any flexibility or inventiveness (for that matter, without any balls) and it's easy to see whats wrong.[/b]

Sounds like the SA backline only the only source of anything creative comes from our scrumhalf in Fourie du Preez. That and then we don't even defend that well. At least we've got a world class forward pack and Steyn can kick well. Guess you can't have it all.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 8 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
How can I put this...
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Shoulder charge
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This = this (from the comments of that video):

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What a load of f***ing ********, I'm a Brizzler so obviously no great lover of Barf but that was a perfect tackle and shouldn't be a yellow.

In fact, they should allow the use of the shoulder al-la rugby league, the IRB are destroying our game with their stupid rule changes + attempting to take the physicality out. There are far more injuries from SWINGING ARMS which are the result of lazy tackles from tiring players forced to try and wrap around. Anyone calling for them to be banned? Hell no![/b]

Get a spine man, jaysus... as someone once said, "This 'aint tiddlywinks"! No wonder why I'm finding RL increasingly better while RU gets bogged down in the mire.

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@ you.
 
Whatever. Shoulder charges aren't, nor ever have been, permitted within the laws of the game.

The rest of your point ain't a point.

Especially quoting Tana Umaga.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 11 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Whatever. Shoulder charges aren't, nor ever have been, permitted within the laws of the game.

The rest of your point ain't a point.

Especially quoting Tana Umaga.[/b]


Shoulder charges were legel untill the late 90s. maybe even into the 00s.

Beyond that, is it a shoulder charge if you attempt to wrap your arms but the guy bounces off your shoulder before you can? i see it happen all the time, a guy shouldnt be penalised because his legal tackle is too hard..

And whats wrong with quoting Umaga? i dont beleive he was ever red carded, banned or cited in his whole career... He even had an international fair play award to go with being a ferocious tackler.. i think its a great quote..
 
It maybe a great quote, especially to use against the pussyfarts who want everything citing these days (especially whinging about swinging arms), but still completely irrelevant.

Anyway, on shoulder-charging. More often then not, the hits that are deemed "legal but they got pinged" normally are because the tackling player went in and made a hit with with the shoulder,then wrapped the arms (as is the case with the Banahan hit above). If they're not leading with the arm, they're not going for a tackle.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Nov 8 2009, 04:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Ashley-Cooper is the best fullback in Australia and this should be his position from now on.[/b]

Hmmmmmm.......we'll see if Cameron Shepherd can stay healthy next year.
Shepherd > AAC at fullback but it would be great to see sheps at 15 and AAC at 13 or wing next year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 11 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If they're not leading with the arm, they're not going for a tackle.[/b]
So they don't tackle in RL? Basically your argument consists of no actual substance or evidence. Typical whiny stuff that's killing RU at the moment. Is a tackle leading with the shoulder dangerous? Not really (not at all in the context of rugby), it's less dangerous than wrap-around tackles and both are definitely safer than the srum/ruck area... why aren't you crying for mandatory uncontested scrums?

:bravo:
 
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If they're not leading with the arm, they're not going for a tackle.[/b]
So they don't tackle in RL?
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Not talking about RL though, we're talking about Union.
Of course they're tackles in Rugby League, but they're not in union. Two different sports. In Gaelic Football they can pick up the ball, does this mean there should be penalties every 15 seconds? No, because it's not regular Football
 

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