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Balshaw played okay????

I don't normally do this but...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ahem. That is all.
 
<div class='quotemain'> It's funny how people keep saying it was only Englands mistakes that lost them the game, making mistakes in sport is a new phenomenon? England did so well in the first half because of Wales' mistakes, Ricky Hatton lost to Mayweather because of a mistake, Räikkönen won the F1 World Championship because of Lewis Hamilton's mistakes. You could apply the theory to everything, England's World Cup in 2003 was only down to mistakes made by Australia maybe? :wah: [/b]

- Hatton v Mayweather; Result because of a complete mismatch
- Hamilton v Raikkonen; The 'mysterious' switching off of Hamiltons car after Ecclestone saying pre race "Hamilton won't be world champion".
- Australia v England; The Australian insistance they can win a game of Union with League style forwards and fat ******** (ie can't)

England were punished today because they didn't capitalise on the good pressure applied in the first half (eg. taking a 3 pointer when the Welsh pack had just been warned and the lineout was stuttering), or completely ignoring Vinakolos wing despite him having a storming first 15 minutes. After the break a classic Rob Andrew talking-to must have occoured as it was a completely different side that came out, at the same time Wales introduced the likes of Shanklin and found some rythm. This put more pressure on the English defence, which with Sackey and Balshaw as the last 2 lines of defence is always going to result in bad news.

Combine this with strange selections such as Gommersall (who's in such a poor run of form that he can't even get a start for Quins), Kay (who's been seven shade of shite for years), 3 fly-halfs and no spare centres. Introducing Mears & Kay were poor decisions (although Kay for Rees was a necessity through injury).

The introduction of Hipkiss, Allen, Palmer, Abandaman, Lamb, Wigglesworth and maybe Varndell (yes, I did just say that useless Leicester twat) or Chris Ashton needs to happen before next week. Get rid of Gommersall, Tindall, Balshaw, Kay, Sackey, Wilkinson, Vickery, Reagan and Mears.

Hopefully we'll see a complete overhaul of the team before next week. And both Rob Andrew and Ian Balshaw being hung by the neck from the highest rafter in the new South Stand.

Wales were poor in the first half, found some rhythm in the second and became a force. England started well, but there were too many past-it old boys who faded and the Bench was too heavily stacked with names and completely unbalenced.

Overall, England deserved to lose.


On the plus side however, Haskell, Rees and Narraway were an awsome backrow combination. [/b][/quote]

I have to admit that England's back row look immense for the future! With players like Hartley and Stevens blosoming upfront, Tom Palmer coming through at second row England will be a force to be reckoned with within 4 years!
For me Balshaw was poor this lad has lost so much confidence, I think it goes back to when he was relseased by Bath! For me I had rated Balshaw but today he was poor and I cannt see why Lewsey was not in the side!
For me the game was spoilt by some poor refereeing! Joubert (correct me if im wrong) was poor throughtout the game, his controlling of the ruck area in particular was poor! It's common with southern hem refs to now allow players entering the ruck off their feet e.g. diving in, it was common today and I wish this would be solved by refs! I also found that a few more yellow cards should have been issued in particular Mr Haskell and Mr Martyn Williams! This would have lead to a more open game!
All in all it was a poor game in which mistakes made the difference!

What are you on about? Balshaw played OK. The big problem is that Phil Vickery is a joke. His leadership is non existent. He should be dropped. England missed a chance to get rid of Ashton after the world cup. I bet they are regretting that now. Vickery and his captaincy and Ashton and his management are now too closely related. They rely on each other. Anbd both should be binned. All England rugby captains should have the ability to get through Sandhurst, Vickery wouldn't get through week 2.

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Thing is Martin Johnson was one in a million, people like him don't come round that often. Now I hated this bloke when he played Wales, but for dam sure I made sure anyone who slated him would be corrected!

Johno commanded his team and the point is that he is a hard man to follow!
 
What are you on about? Balshaw played OK. [/b]

Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?

Originally posted by Thingimubob
Oh yeah - can I just ask, did anybody actually think Sackey touched down and scored? I don't have a clue what Brian Moore and Eddie Butler were on about, it was blatantly obvious Huw Bennett had his arm under the ball.

There was nothing blatant about it hence the TMO taking so long over it. Even now the only thing we can say with certainty is that it's not possible to say that it was definitely a try. So what if he did have his arm under it? Did he have it under the whole ball? Did the ball touch the ground at any point? Not possible to tell so the try can't be given.
Halftime came at the wrong moment for England really - they were looking like getting another score but couldn't make it count.

@ all the Welsh fans who think English fans are detracting from your victory by saying it came from English mistakes, I think that the point is that Wales hadn't really looked like scoring without help from England but capitalised very well on sloppy English play. You won and you deserved to win but it wasn't because the Welsh team was playing unstoppable rugby and England were blown out of the way.
 
What can you say...dumbfounded.

The discipline which dragged us to the WC final also dragged us to a half time lead and a great position. We then abandon that discipline and play silly immature rugby which the Welsh were more than happy to take advantage of.

Was quite impressed with Flood. The pack did alright, as did Vainikolo when we saw fit to involve him.

I probably would have kept Gomarsall in pretty much solely because of the way he played at the WC, but he was as dire as any other player on our team today.
 
I had to turn the TV off with 15 minutes to go as the usually reliable Wilkinson threw the ball into no-mans land in between Cipriani & Sackey. I could bare no more. Then Balshaw caught a high ball deep in the England 22 and threw it to Vianikolo. What a wonder fullback you are!

After being so in control for the first 50 minutes, I wonder what was in the drinks at half time. Fair play to Wales they took advatage of it. The injuires didn't help. Strettle being our most penetrative runner, replaced by a bulldozer who no-one passed too. Though IMO Vianikolo did alright, considering. The loss of Moody & then Ree's was unlucky, Ben Kay @ #8, eek! Surely Shaw would be better there with the two line-out specialists playing at lock?

Balshaw & Gomersall were awful. Sadly we have no-one else to play scrum-half with Perry, Richards & Ellis out. And without Tindall we don't have any-one solid defensively who can organise the back 5 except Jamie Noon, and thats not a good thing. Write off another 6 Nations.

The plus points... Ummm.. Flood played well. Vianikolo was blooded at International Rugby Union and didn't look out of place. Haskell played well, but on the limit of the law. The line-out worked.

I was disappiontted with our Scrum; Sheridan, Vickery & Regan should have made mincemeat out of the Welsh hooker & hairy Jones's. It was solid, but it never turned a Wales put-in to our advantage.

For Wales I thought Henson played & off-loaded well, Hook kicked fantasically & the scrum-half (Phllips?) had a good game. Parker was poor. The scrum just about sufficed but the line-out was poor. Shane Williams is comedy, he has his moments but he is a liability most of the time.
 
If there is any side in the world which truly deserves a lifting victory, it's Wales. Hopefully you guys are out of the doldrums.

My mum cancelled Sentana sports at the last minute, going to try and watch it somehow. Though I still started yelling out when I saw the score on the BBC this morning.

Good job boys.
 
@ all the Welsh fans who think English fans are detracting from your victory by saying it came from English mistakes, I think that the point is that Wales hadn't really looked like scoring without help from England but capitalised very well on sloppy English play. You won and you deserved to win but it wasn't because the Welsh team was playing unstoppable rugby and England were blown out of the way. [/b]

That is essentially the crux of the argument. Apart from one superb move by Sonny Parker and two great Henson breaks, there wasn't really that much that sold Wales as the comeback team. In the last ten minutes, James Hook was hanging back in the pocket, right in front of the posts, with Martyn Williams and Tom Shanklin protecting him, waiting for the drop goal.

He got so bored of Mike Phillips farting about with the forwards that after ten minutes, he gave up, Wales coughed up possession and almost snatched a draw from the jaws of victory.

The good thing Wales can take from this is that they are taking their chances with interest now. Any mistake an opponent makes will now result in either 3 points or them standing under the posts after Wales have scored a try. As someone else said here, a win is a win. I'm sure both Ireland and France will gift Wales with similar opportunities which they must take with similar ruthlessness. Scotland, I'm not so sure about. If Scotland beat France today and the fact that there is no Croke Park factor for Ireland, this Six Nations is now officially wide open. Anyone can at least win it.

In the end, England deserved to lose on the basis of not having a bench which justified the gravity of the game (not enough depth basically and I think putting even more newbies on the bench would have made things worse), on the basis that Iain Balshaw will eventually cock up on a gargantuan scale and that simply because England just lost the plot and imploded South-Africa-against-Fiji style.

A pity really, because it outshines good performances from James Haskell, Luke Narraway and Toby Flood. Lost in the chaos of a general retreat which soon became a rout caused more by chinese whispers than of any sustained Welsh attack.

On Balshaw, this has to have been his last chance. If he can't perform now (and while he did impress initially, it went downhill gradually from there) he'll never perform. This is one area where new talent should be brought in. Balshaw must not play at either Murrayfield or the Stade. If he does, he will either fall apart physically or mentally within the hour.

Afterwards I went to the Carling room and wound up Will Carling by suggesting that the room was named after Carling Black Label ;) in the room were various Rugby legends and I got chatting to Mike Catt. I've never seen the chap look so annoyed by the whole performance and we had a good chat about the game. When we asked him about Iain Balshaw, his comments were:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Mike Catt")</div>
...he's f***ing ****![/b]

Indeed, I can see why at least one player was glad that Balshaw wasn't selected for the World Cup...after that we talked at legnth about the England implosion and he noted Wilkinson's total loss of judgement after his wild pass started the rocky road down. He did say that Wilko always needs someone to buddy up with him through the game and help him to keep his head. On his own, he tends to lose the plot and make all kinds of mistakes. This is why Ashton was so intent on partnering Wilkinson with Gommersall at 9 and Catt at center. It is a flawed system by the looks of it but when it works, it works superbly.

In other news, Carling kept telling Zinny to "f*** off" because Zinny kept grinning at him ear to ear, Ieuan Evans was merry while still vaguely sober, Dean Richards (f*** me he is a man mountain!!!!! :eek: ) won £10 betting Wales would win, Butch James is looking well and is in high spirits and later Toby Flood, Paul Sackey (who called the TMO "Stevie Wonder"), Lesley Vainikolo and James Haskell came in to sign autographs and talk shop for a while.
 
For me I can't believe that we missed the chance to convert so many opportunities. I think what the bbc said about the fact that wales tried to play our way and we ruled over them, but then in the second half we tried to play their way and they just picked us apart.

and why did we let shaun edwards go to wales - surely he was laughing in their faces last night.

i said to my girlfriend last night that she needn't worry if we are busy next week because the match is a done deal, but if we're that shaky against Italy we might just give them a chance.
 
grand slam fever hey you never know .the future looks bright with.....................red
 
I'd watch to see how well Scotland do against France before you start predicting Grand Slams. If Scotland beat France, they'll be easily the most solid and consistent side of the NH right now.

If Scotland beats France...it could easily be a tartan Grand Slam ;)
 
[ Paul Sackey (who called the TMO "Stevie Wonder")
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Typical English bad loser..
Funny really since when it comes to tackling he is a bit like Stephen Hawking.
 
For all the excuses the fact is that Wales, a land of pitiful resources and population, has beaten England 3/4 times in the six nations now. The list of excuses grows thin... And what was most satisfying was seeing Wales do an England on them in the last ten minutes or so. They've obviously learnt something from Fiji...

Scotland for the win today! I went to see the three celtic countries on the top of the rankings! :p
 
We saw the same things Cymro, especially about refere's decisions around rucks and scrums, and about white backs potentials...(Strettle is Rougerie's class)

I'm glad that England takes risks and head to develloging its game.
Don't deceice yourself, I'm not happy because of the result, but because England dared.

It didn't pay yesterday, but don't remember the performance you made against us last year in 6N agaist us (don't speak about RWC07) with this same spirit.
That prooves England is able, to beat every team with style, granted that it want it.

Really hope that you will go on this game orientation, and discover that solutions exist out of pick and go.
 
it just go s to show what abit of heart and pride can do for a team well done wales
 
If there is any side in the world which truly deserves a lifting victory, it's Wales. Hopefully you guys are out of the doldrums.

My mum cancelled Sentana sports at the last minute, going to try and watch it somehow. Though I still started yelling out when I saw the score on the BBC this morning.

Good job boys.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008xqw0.shtml

Does that work for you? not sure if it is limited to the UK but give it a try..
anyone who wants to watch it again can on that link.
 
England dominated Wales in almost every area of the pitch, except fininshing
 
Good quote from James Hook. Smart head on youngish shoulders.
"Beating England is great but we must keep our feet on the ground and not get too carried away. The win has boosted our confidence, but there are four other sides in this Six Nations Championship, not just England." [/b]
 
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