England Six Nations squad 2022

[TRF_Olyy]

Said it before but England have only lost one game with the kamikaze twin flank pairing

 

[Geordie]

How many concussions has Underhill had recently?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Underhill is six and half at best his instinct is tackle and ruck as you would expect of a 6. His turnover work and link up play is quite average as 7. That's the reason why Underhill and curry work as they are different irrespective of what numbers they have on their back as they compliment each other. Underhill hits , curry slows down the ruck or jackels.
England have played their best rugby since 2003 with those two on the flanks and a proper 8 or with Wilson at 6. Again not a lock but a proper flanker
I think Lawes is a super player and has massively increased both his carrying and overall mobility. However he is nearly 33 and for his increased mobility is never going to hit as many rucks as a younger man who is smaller and quicker. With Underhill you get the same if not more physicality but with more speed

Literally describing the job of a 7 not a 6 traditionally.
Blindsides aren't meant to hit every ruck, never have been.

Curry and Underhill worked great till they came across a pack that was bigger.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

How many concussions has Underhill had recently?

4 in 8 months

 

[TRF_Olyy]

4 in 8 months

That's much worse than I thought - also I thought there was an extended stand down if you had multiple in the same season?
I remember Sexton having to go through it when he was in Paris

Edit: 4 concussions in 12 months = 3 month stand down,
But I think that might be a France-only thing

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

That's much worse than I thought - also I thought there was an extended stand down if you had multiple in the same season?
I remember Sexton having to go through it when he was in Paris

Edit: 4 concussions in 12 months = 3 month stand down,
But I think that might be a France-only thing

Just going off
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/absent-england-no7-sam-underhill-has-suffered-another-bath-setback/

"Underhill is still hoping to be cleared to return in time to play some part in the Six Nations with England after suffering a fourth concussion in the last eight months. "
Looking into it think at Pro level at least he might be on 6 in total now.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Definitely feels like he shouldn't be playing this side of the summer, tbh

 

[LIONSxv]

Literally describing the job of a 7 not a 6 traditionally.
Blindsides aren't meant to hit every ruck, never have been.

Curry and Underhill worked great till they came across a pack that was bigger.

The job of a 7 is to tackle and ruck really ?? The job of a 7 has always been to track, and slow down ruck and link play. The job of the 6 is to do the dirty work.
England's best ever 6 was a proper flanker, in fact if I go through the best 6,7's that have ever played the game surprisingly they are all specialist flankers not a converted lock. Although I do give you PSDT

Re bigger pack So in essence your writing them off based in one game ? A game in which the front 5 were demolished ?
I can recall Lawes playing in some of England's terrible performances over the past two years. They also coincide with Curry playing 8 .
It seems with Eddie if you play Lawes you may also get Curry playing 8 at some point. Which is a nonsense

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The job of a 7 is to tackle and ruck really ?? The job of a 7 has always been to track, and slow down ruck and link play. The job of the 6 is to do the dirty work.
England's best ever 6 was a proper flanker, in fact if I go through the best 6,7's that have ever played the game surprisingly they are all specialist flankers not a converted lock. Although I do give you PSDT

Re bigger pack So in essence your writing them off based in one game ? A game in which the front 5 were demolished ?
I can recall Lawes playing in some of England's terrible performances over the past two years. They also coincide with Curry playing 8 .
It seems with Eddie if you play Lawes you may also get Curry playing 8 at some point. Which is a nonsense

Only game England have lost with Lawes at 6 and Curry at 8 was France in 2020.
Although I will reiterate I don't like Curry playing at 8 unless it's covering a injury mid game.

In terms of best 6's I think the game has certainly involved in the last 6 or so years.
The likes of Bernie, Woki, Henderson, Ritchie, etc the age of 6ft 2 Blindside flankers generally seem to be going, In fact England's greatest 6 played all his club rugby at 7.

Jermone Kaino is for me one of the best modern 6's but when you look at it was he that much different to Lawes?

 

[Reiser99]

We may not have lost many games with those combinations, but how many have we won? Definitely feel that Curry and Underhill have a higher win ratio than Lawes and Curry.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

We may not have lost many games with those combinations, but how many have we won? Definitely feel that Curry and Underhill have a higher win ratio than Lawes and Curry.

Lawes @ 6 with Curry @7 have yet to lose a game with England but they have only played like 3 games together in those positions.
They were 1 for 3 in the B&I lions but that was with a Gatland handicap.

 

[LIONSxv]

Only game England have lost with Lawes at 6 and Curry at 8 was France in 2020.
Although I will reiterate I don't like Curry playing at 8 unless it's covering a injury mid game.

In terms of best 6's I think the game has certainly involved in the last 6 or so years.
The likes of Bernie, Woki, Henderson, Ritchie, etc the age of 6ft 2 Blindside flankers generally seem to be going, In fact England's greatest 6 played all his club rugby at 7.

Jermone Kaino is for me one of the best modern 6's but when you look at it was he that much different to Lawes

Beirne ,Woki & Henderson are all Locks who predominantly play lock. Ireland have a lovely back row balance as the field two specialist flankers and a specialist 8. Injury aside they won't be playing and locks in their backrow for some time
Kaino to my knowledge never played much at lock, he was a 6

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

If you read what I say I didn't say positions, I was talking about style.
Also Woki is predominantly a flanker.


OK say no to Lawes, who should be England's 6?

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Beirne ,Woki & Henderson are all Locks who predominantly play lock. Ireland have a lovely back row balance as the field two specialist flankers and a specialist 8. Injury aside they won't be playing and locks in their backrow for some time
Kaino to my knowledge never played much at lock, he was a 6

Not of what you said about Lawes is nonsense. He has a great work rate and does all the 'blind side duties' better than most in the premiership who plays 6.

I get you don't like locks at 6 but Lawes plays more 6 than lock for quite a while now. You arnt convincing anyone without some decent stats I'm afraid.

 

[LIONSxv]

If you read what I say I didn't say positions, I was talking about style.
Also Woki is predominantly a flanker.


OK say no to Lawes, who should be England's 6?

Underhill or long term Willis, if injury free

 

[LIONSxv]

Not of what you said about Lawes is nonsense. He has a great work rate and does all the 'blind side duties' better than most in the premiership who plays 6.

I get you don't like locks at 6 but Lawes plays more 6 than lock for quite a while now. You arnt convincing anyone without some decent stats I'm afraid.

20 turnovers WC semi final, the most I have ever seen England produce. Although I do concede that NZ started with a lock at 6 but hauled him off at half time
No coincidence that we reached a WC final with that duo. Whether the old school amongst like it or not, the breakdown is as now as important as the set piece Therefore play a specialist to win that area.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Dombrandt and Curry both in the 26, gotta imagine they're available for selection in that case

Forwards

Alfie Barbeary
Jamie Blamire
Ollie Chessum
Tom Curry
Alex Dombrandt
Charlie Ewels
Ellis Genge
Jamie George
Joe Heyes
Maro Itoje
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes
Joe Marler
Sam Simmonds
Kyle Sinckler
Will Stuart

Backs

Elliot Daly
George Ford
Max Malins
Joe Marchant
Jack Nowell
Harry Randall
Henry Slade
Marcus Smith
Freddie Steward
Ben Youngs

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Dombrandt and Curry both in the 26, gotta imagine they're available for selection in that case

Forwards

Alfie Barbeary
Jamie Blamire
Ollie Chessum
Tom Curry
Alex Dombrandt
Charlie Ewels
Ellis Genge
Jamie George
Joe Heyes
Maro Itoje
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes
Joe Marler
Sam Simmonds
Kyle Sinckler
Will Stuart

Backs

Elliot Daly
George Ford
Max Malins
Joe Marchant
Jack Nowell
Harry Randall
Henry Slade
Marcus Smith
Freddie Steward
Ben Youngs

FFS Eddie better play Heyes Tigers are gonna be ****** without him if Cole is still injured

 

[Reiser99]

With 10 backs either they are all in the match day squad or EJ is going 6-2 split.

 

[Which Tyler]

Why all the talk of a lock at 6?
I thought we were talking about Lawes - not Itoje or Isiekwe