England Post-WC discussion

[g6mcg]

Didn't the Mirror quote criticise Lancaster for picking a half fit Morgan? Probably rules him out, maybe suggests Vunipola or a teammate?

 

[McTallshort]

Or it could be just the mirror fishing?

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Haskell is probably pretty damn frustrated so it wouldn't surprise me.

Also if this is widened to non world cup players it could easily be Hartley or tuilagi.

Funny thing about the burrell non selection which seems to have annoyed a load of people is that burrells form pre world cup was pretty lousy. Did nothing good and gave away lots of penalties. Granted he still should have gone ahead of Burgess if that was the choice but I can't find it in myself to care so much about burrell.

But going back a bit further there are lots of others who were hard done by whose team mates are probably very annoyed about it. I'm thinking Eastmond for example, who has lots of bath and england team mates to stick up for him.

 

[j'nuh]

Fair point. You sometimes don't consider the difficulty of balancing morale in the camp when making changes to the squad. Make too many changes and you risk upsetting squad mates and friends of those dropped. Make too few changes, and you risk being seen as having your favourites and making barriers to form players. Getting that balance right when having to lead a coaching team and a 30+ man squad, all with differing opinions to you on who should be around, must be quite the task.

It's perhaps particularly difficult for England/France, who have the biggest player pools. With more depth comes more 50/50 calls and more opportunity to disappoint your coaches and players. I wonder whether this is partly why France and England are the two teams with the biggest problems with squad discontent in recent history.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Fair point. You sometimes don't consider the difficulty of balancing morale in the camp when making changes to the squad. Make too many changes and you risk upsetting squad mates and friends of those dropped. Make too few changes, and you risk being seen as having your favourites and making barriers to form players. Getting that balance right when having to lead a coaching team and a 30+ man squad, all with differing opinions to you on who should be around, must be quite the task.

It's perhaps particularly difficult for England/France, who have the biggest player pools. With more depth comes more 50/50 calls and more opportunity to disappoint your coaches and players. I wonder whether this is partly why France and England are the two teams with the biggest problems with squad discontent in recent history.

I think it's more difficult when Lancaster has continued to cap out of form players with massive flaws in their game like Ashton......and then on the hand players like eastmond and may/ roko where capped and dropped Without real reason.

I understand playing in a rugby squad and we've all been dropped at least one point, what I found is how you were dropped and the reasons explained to you make all the difference.

 

[Mattybuck]

I understood and to be honest supported the Burgess selection over Burrell.

Burrell's form had dropped, but had performed well in the past. However in the absence of Manu, I think SL was desperate to find a player who could offer that same impact.

His only real option was Burgess, hence why I believe he was selected.

It could of worked but it didn't, and SL must stand by that decision, as with his others and resign.

I would be surprised if their are multiple sources in the England camp.

Young Ford left camp and went to spend a day or so with his family after he was dropped for Wales. Shows to me that players were equally as confused and frustrated around selection.

It all just reeks of a poor set up to me...

I know I've made this clear previously but I see no reason why SL and his team can stay in the role.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

In a squad situation there are always going to be disappointed players, that's just the nature of the beast. And likewise not every player will think the coach is the bees knees, even in the ABs squad.

I can see Burgess having been a real flash point though. No fault of the player, but there is a very clear argument that he received preferential treatment and there is little more corrosive in a team environment.

 

[Mattybuck]

Problem is I think SL had a lot of favourites, who retained places at the expense of others.

 

[ratsapprentice]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Chiefs press release...

Probable: Watching NZ in RWC
Unlikely: Talking w/RFU
Hopefully: Fishing w/Stephen Donald <a href="https://t.co/n6lRzksYJU">pic.twitter.com/n6lRzksYJU</a></p>&mdash; Alex Shaw (@alexshawsport) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexshawsport/status/659075336429268993">October 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Don't Skip Leg Day]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Chiefs press release...

Probable: Watching NZ in RWC
Unlikely: Talking w/RFU
Hopefully: Fishing w/Stephen Donald <a href="https://t.co/n6lRzksYJU">pic.twitter.com/n6lRzksYJU</a></p>â€" Alex Shaw (@alexshawsport) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexshawsport/status/659075336429268993">October 27, 2015</a></blockquote>
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What does all that mean?

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

What does all that mean?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Pretty self explanatory, I thought...?! :huh:

The Chiefs have just put out a press release (I think naming their squad for the upcoming SR season), and the notes at the end of the media brief say that Dave Rennie is offshore.

Dave Rennie is (in some people's books anyway) a candidate for the England job - cue hyperbolic extrapolation.

 

[ncurd]

See you need to explain this stuff you said Chiefs and I assume Exeter.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I assumed people on a rugby forum would know who Dave Rennie is.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I assumed people on a rugby forum would know who Dave Rennie is.

Nope, not really clued up on super rugby as I don't have sky unfortunately.

 

[ncurd]

I only really have time to keep up in AP rugby and England internationals. I rely on you guys to tell me relevant details outside of that field hell even in it

 

[Mattybuck]

I only really have time to keep up in AP rugby and England internationals. I rely on you guys to tell me relevant details outside of that field hell even in it

As above, if I watch any more rugby my wife WILL leave me!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Ok then... well he's won the JWC three times with NZ and won SR back to back with the Chiefs in 2012 and 2013.

The review panel are going to ask Gatland for input apparently... http://www.express.co.uk/sport/rugb...gby-World-Cup-disaster-Wales-Stuart-Lancaster

 

[Peat]

Rennie would probably be my first choice at the moment.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Mine too.