England EPS 2016/17 season.

[MrTea_32]

I'm not advocating a complete removal of experience but I'd like us to get the process of giving these players caps under way this year. Horses for courses, there is no reason to use Cole and Marler for the likes of Italy for example or the T2 games we will play. Against bigger opposition then they can fill the role of impact subs around the 50-60 min with a full front row change. NZ give caps to players at a very young age and operate on the basis of if you're good enough you're old enough. Imagine if we had denied Itoje a place because he was too young and we went for experience first and foremost? There is a place for experience but there is also a place for getting talent in as soon as you can without it being detrimental to them.

Would also like to see a successor to Brown put in place. Whether that means someone like daly, nowell or Watson or giving some caps to Haly.
I'd prefer either Daly or Haly

 

[Peat]

I think we all want to see the kids advance quickly as they've been doing so under Jones to date - just quibbling over the details of when and how.

 

[Scotty]

Will wood still be the 23 come six nations with the likes of Clifford, harrison, robshaw and hughes all fit to play. Will clifford make the bench as 6 to 8 cover with no billy or will he be starting at 7. Thoughs also starting props with no mako. Hope sinkler get one or 2 starts. Alot of potential there. Him george and mako starting provides a very mobile front row dont you guys think?

 

[Scotty]

Watson FB/Daly bench as back 3 cover With nowell and may on wings... may has improved i never thought id say that but he now can pass. Any thoughts

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

33 players attending Brighton training camp from 2-3 January:

Forwards

Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks), Nathan Catt (Bath Rugby), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints) *injury replacement for Sam Jones (Wasps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

Backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

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Annoyed that Catt is chosen ahead of Genge (who has been the one bright spark for Leicester).

Hopefully Mike Williams gets a good run of games.

 

[chippieolamus]

33 players attending Brighton training camp from 2-3 January:

Forwards

Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks), Nathan Catt (Bath Rugby), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints) *injury replacement for Sam Jones (Wasps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

Backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

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Annoyed that Catt is chosen ahead of Genge (who has been the one bright spark for Leicester).

Hopefully Mike Williams gets a good run of games.

Where's Launchbury...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Where's Launchbury...

Calf strain injury having a scan this week not thought to be serious BUt he wouldn't be training.

 

[BPM]

33 players attending Brighton training camp from 2-3 January:

Forwards

Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks), Nathan Catt (Bath Rugby), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints) *injury replacement for Sam Jones (Wasps), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

Backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

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Annoyed that Catt is chosen ahead of Genge (who has been the one bright spark for Leicester).

Hopefully Mike Williams gets a good run of games.

Catt has been playing pretty well recently and Hatley will have a good idea of his capabilities, but like you I'd rather have seen Genge.

It's only a training squad so maybe Eddie just wants to take a closer look at Catt.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Yeh prob why Clifford isn't in aswell.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Catt has been playing pretty well recently and Hatley will have a good idea of his capabilities, but like you I'd rather have seen Genge.

It's only a training squad so maybe Eddie just wants to take a closer look at Catt.

Must be, he's playing well but no reason he'd have leapfrogged Genge

 

[Which Tyler]

Yarde > Rocco makes me sad

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Nah Yarde offers much more Yardeage than Roko

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

45-man elite player squad:

Forwards

Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks), Nathan Catt (Bath Rugby), Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Paul Hill (Northampton Saints), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Sam Jones (Wasps), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

Backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Mike Haley (Sale Sharks), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Joe Marchant (Harlequins), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Dan Robson (Wasps), Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath Rugby), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Spencer (Saracens), Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

No Genge in the 45 is worrying

 

[Which Tyler]

Isn't that the current EPS? Due for updating in a couple of weeks?

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Isn't that the current EPS? Due for updating in a couple of weeks?

Nope, Catt's in there

 

[Which Tyler]

Fair enough

Also Robson and Spencer , now I can look at it properly

 

[ncurd]

33 man training squad.....no Roko

Forwards: Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks), Nathan Catt (Bath Rugby), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Teimana Harrison (Northampton Saints), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), James Haskell (Wasps), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Matt Mullan (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Tommy Taylor (Wasps), Mike Williams (Leicester Tigers), Tom Wood (Northampton Saints).

Backs: Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Bath Rugby), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The training squad was already posted.

 

[ncurd]

Yeah I suck missed it completely.