England 2024/25

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

But every environment he was in coaches and players alike rave about him, something doesn't really add up….

Big character, dad's a coach, all makes sense. I'm sure he's a dream to coach but not to play with.

It's also really rare to hear anything negative until he retires although a lot had come out since he left Sarries.

 

[Jimbo]

Big character, dad's a coach, all makes sense. I'm sure he's a dream to coach but not to play with.

It's also really rare to hear anything negative until he retires although a lot had come out since he left Sarries.

It has haven't seen or heard this? Can you point me in the direction of Sarries players opinions since he left?

 

[BPM]

I am no fan of Owen Farrell but I haven't seen any of this either TBH.

I can believe it, but my main issue with him was always the level of adulation and hype he got from the media despite being mostly very average which was never in his control. I can also imagine he will become an excellent coach.

Yep. The coaches are taking most of the kickings, but the on field leadership is AWOL.

And that's despite having a captain and 4 VCs!

 

[Jimbo]

I am no fan of Owen Farrell but I haven't seen any of this either TBH.

I can believe it, but my main issue with him was always the level of adulation and hype he got from the media despite being mostly very average which was never in his control. I can also imagine he will become an excellent coach.

And that's despite having a captain and 4 VCs!

I often felt he was a little under rated by many (over rated by others) but he certainly wasn't to my mind worthy of some of the world class talks he often got, he did do a job at 12 in a time where outside of Manu and pre Wales Tompkins we had few options. He always looked better at Sarries than he did for England, whilst I am not saying negativity about him post leaving Sarries hasn't come out id be slightly suprised given they had their most successful period with him without a doubt, it's also hard to gage with make shift A Goode or Tuilangi at 10 neither being brilliant certainly seemed to be a big drop off when he wasn't there but then they would often be missing a fair few of their other internationals at the same time.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Ultimately, I wouldn't take him into this English 23 at the mo