England 2024/25

[BPM]

Roebuck might have the physical attributes to play 15 but he doesn't play there. Unless he does so on a regular basis, that's not an option for me.

A couple of decent moments against an inferior side who are already beaten is not enough to demand 'Fin needs to start'. Particularly when he has either looked overwhelmed or anonymous in any of his other cameos.

I actually thought Marcus Smith failed to get the centres and other players into the game. For all the good he did I really don't think he clicked at all in the England team.

Not sure if that's a system thing or just the way he plays. I think it's only fair that F Smith gets a shot in a proper game as he's a brilliant player.

Could it not simply be that Slade and Lawrence were not particularly good? I think it's fair to say he struggled to bring them into the game against NZ (where we didn't really seem to try) or against SA where our pack gave us no platform. Australia was a different game entirely - it started well and theneverything was a mess with 0 structure. The whole take away from yesterday's game seems to be that ONE decent strike move from a lineout proves Fin can do that better? For the Earl's try and for Freeman's disallowed try, Marcus used the centres perfectly well.

I am a big fan of Fin's and I would like to see him get more game time, but inventing a flawed/false narrative to justify dropping Marcus in his favour is quite odd for me.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

If we thought F Smith was the next St Jonny then I'd be calling for him to be fast tracked. I don't, although I think he can become very good. Probably also more of an 'English type' player.

Question marks around M Smith gelling with the rest of the team are fair. But he's also playing behind an average pack, the one 9 who might be most on his wavelength is injured and centres remain a perennial problem. He can do things that others simply can't though and we ought to be looking to build a team around him. I do though think it's time to say thanks and goodbye to Ford and let the Smiths battle it out.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Roebuck might have the physical attributes to play 15 but he doesn't play there. Unless he does so on a regular basis, that's not an option for me.

A couple of decent moments against an inferior side who are already beaten is not enough to demand 'Fin needs to start'. Particularly when he has either looked overwhelmed or anonymous in any of his other cameos.


Could it not simply be that Slade and Lawrence were not particularly good? I think it's fair to say he struggled to bring them into the game against NZ (where we didn't really seem to try) or against SA where our pack gave us no platform. Australia was a different game entirely - it started well and theneverything was a mess with 0 structure. The whole take away from yesterday's game seems to be that ONE decent strike move from a lineout proves Fin can do that better? For the Earl's try and for Freeman's disallowed try, Marcus used the centres perfectly well.

I am a big fan of Fin's and I would like to see him get more game time, but inventing a flawed/false narrative to justify dropping Marcus in his favour is quite odd for me.

Not inventing anything. It's obvious that the 10/12/13 isn't working and it's fair to question all parts.

I thought our back play in general was too flat, lacked any guile and didn't attack the right parts of the defence. Again not sure if that's a system thing a Marcus thing or a centres thing but Marcus really didn't gel well with that centre combo.

I also thought JVP was pretty crappy but not sure how much rugby he's played this year. He looked off pace for international rugby though but then a lot of our players did.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Not inventing anything. It's obvious that the 10/12/13 isn't working and it's fair to question all parts.

I thought our back play in general was too flat, lacked any guile and didn't attack the right parts of the defence. Again not sure if that's a system thing a Marcus thing or a centres thing but Marcus really didn't gel well with that centre combo.

I also thought JVP was pretty crappy but not sure how much rugby he's played this year. He looked off pace for international rugby though but then a lot of our players did.

Is it really beyond us to find a big bloke, put 12 on his back and tell him to run hard in a straight line?

Not a panacea, but it would help. Think of Smith and Esterhuizen. When we played the Boks it looked like they had a couple of body builders in midfield. However we get it, we need some midfield punch from somewhere. I read one piece where the journalist wondered if Lawrence is a bit of a flat track bully, and I don't think he's wholly answered that question yet.

 

[BPM]

I don't think it's a case of Lawrence being a flat track bully. He's just being used as a 'power' centre when it's not really his main strength. Bath use him quite differently.

I get that it was a bit of a flippant question, but 'is it beyond us to find a bloke …' doesn't have a simple answer. It's a bit like @higgik wanting Roebuck at 15 because he's tall. He has the size and shape, but we can't just drop him in at 12 and say 'run hard in a straight line'. Hartley is probably the closest to that we have so let's see how he shapes up post-injury.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

My preference but I prefer Lawrence at 13 with a bit of space.

But we are stuck as SB doesn't seem interested in any of the young 12s. It's very odd.