Crusaders target SA talent

[ranger]

I dont understand your thinking here,SA has every right to be concerned about this,just take our cricket for instance almost half the english team is ex South African,now there is talk of Brad Barrit going to play for england.SA's young talent is being ripped away left and right and youre talking about tigers and kittens,the fact is even if it was a rumor there is still more than enough reason to be concerned but you know the saying,where there is smoke there is a fire.

The point i am trying to make is that NZ is not Australia or the English cricket team.

New Zealand have no record of poaching rugby players from South Africa. Logically, it makes no sense to start taking players now, its not like we have any shortage of talent over here and it would be plain stupid financially.
Just because OTHER COUNTRIES have poached players in the past doesn't mean you should assume that New Zealand is guilty. The chances are that this is just shoddy journalism.

 

[User1245]

http://www.crusadersacademy-sa.com/

^^^ What's this all about then?

Two suspicious quotes for the site:

Managed entirely by a South African team, the Crusaders Rugby Academy programme has been conceived to provide talented local players with the opportunity to gain insight into the culture and heritage of the Crusaders and Canterbury rugby.

An invitation has been issued to U16 players to attend assessments where they will undergo elite performance testing and physiological evaluation to gain access to a training camp in July. Presented by the Crusaders and the Players Performance Management team, the camp will be an intensive learning experience and an introduction to Players Academies and the Crusaders way.

Sorry but this is really what you would call making yourself too at home

 

[nickdnz]

http://www.crusadersacademy-sa.com/

^^^ What's this all about then?

Two suspicious quotes for the site:





Sorry but this is really what you would call making yourself too at home

As all ready pointed out,it's not like the Crusaders were looking in South Africa, they were invited. I'm sure teaching the 'Crusaders way' is apart of the promotion of the event, as if people didn't support the Crusaders team, or didn't want to learn from them, why would they attend?

As ranger has very rightly pointed out, we have no need to steel SA junior players. We are the junior world champs and we can barely afford to keep our junior talent in New Zealand as it is, with Aaron Cruden getting big bucks to stay in the Hurricanes. If someone has an interest in the culture of rugby in Cantebury, does that mean the Crusaders are poaching by giving learning oppertunities? If that's the case, I'm doing Ancient Greek History, I guess I'm being poached by Greece.

Silly and misinformative article. A lot of speculation without any proof, especially considering the Crusaders were invited to the academy. If a lesson is learnt here, it is don't do buisness with South African Rugby Academies.

 

[Bokbe4k]

As all ready pointed out,it's not like the Crusaders were looking in South Africa, they were invited. I'm sure teaching the 'Crusaders way' is apart of the promotion of the event, as if people didn't support the Crusaders team, or didn't want to learn from them, why would they attend?

As ranger has very rightly pointed out, we have no need to steel SA junior players. We are the junior world champs and we can barely afford to keep our junior talent in New Zealand as it is, with Aaron Cruden getting big bucks to stay in the Hurricanes. If someone has an interest in the culture of rugby in Cantebury, does that mean the Crusaders are poaching by giving learning oppertunities? If that's the case, I'm doing Ancient Greek History, I guess I'm being poached by Greece.

Silly and misinformative article. A lot of speculation without any proof, especially considering the Crusaders were invited to the academy. If a lesson is learnt here, it is don't do buisness with South African Rugby Academies.

This makes me wonder how your justice system works,because you will argue there is no proof even when it is looking you straight in the eyes,the letter that got sent to every major rugby school is proof and it says nothing about the crusaders being invited to anything,what it does state however is that the crusaders are planning a rugby camp,but you will argue there is no proof and continue to say it is bad journalism even with all the evidence.

 

[ranger]

This makes me wonder how your justice system works,because you will argue there is no proof even when it is looking you straight in the eyes,the letter that got sent to every major rugby school is proof and it says nothing about the crusaders being invited to anything,what it does state however is that the crusaders are planning a rugby camp,but you will argue there is no proof and continue to say it is bad journalism even with all the evidence.

You are just being silly now. There is nothing remotely approaching proof here. Let me outline the facts for you;

-The Crusaders have agreed to put there name behind a South African owned and operated sports academy, in exchange for Money. They are being paid by the academy. In return they attach their name to the academy and let them write bullshit like "learn the crusaders way". They have also agreed to visit the academy when they tour the republic next year.

-"Players Academies has concluded a license agreement with the Crusaders and Canterbury Rugby Football Union of New Zealand to establish the Crusaders Rugby Academy in South Africa."
This is your clue. "Players academies" is the academy that are paying the Crusaders for the right to use their name. It says right there that they have agreed to a license agreement. Not that the Crusaders actually have any physical involvement

-The Crusaders are facing a financial crisis, they are having to cut jobs, yet you think they have the money to pay for 60 overseas players?

-New Zealand youth players, going on past results, are better than their South African counterparts, its illogical to fly to the otherside of the world when there is better quality in your backyard.

-The Crusaders aren't planning anything. This "Players Academies" is an existing buisness that also runs academies on golf and soccer etc, they are planning this academy like they have for every other one. do you think that the Crusaders are setting up Golf academies too? It even says "Managed entirely by a South African team"

-"The people of Players Academies are proud supporters of South African rugby, and like most South Africans we have a healthy respect for the Crusaders and what they have achieved over the years in Super Rugby. We believe that our most talented young players can only benefit from exposure to the winning formula of professional rugby's most successful and credible model. "
Just take a step back and read carefully, try and get a feel for the tone of the writing. It isn't written from the perspective of "hey look, WE are THE CRUSADERS come and play for us"
It is saying "We are PLAYERS ACADEMIES, come and learn at our rugby school, we try to emulate the Crusaders at this academy"

-This is NO DIFFERENT, to David Beckham slapping his name on football academies (The Beckham Academy), or Murray Mexted putting his name behind his rugby academy. Do You think Beckhams academies are set up for the purpose of stealing football players for his own private teams? no! hes just getting paid.

The only real "proof" here is the proof on this forum that some people can be suckered in by provocative journalism. Honestly, if the justice system worked the way you wanted it to, the jail cells would be full of innocent men.

 

[nickdnz]

This makes me wonder how your justice system works,because you will argue there is no proof even when it is looking you straight in the eyes,the letter that got sent to every major rugby school is proof and it says nothing about the crusaders being invited to anything,what it does state however is that the crusaders are planning a rugby camp,but you will argue there is no proof and continue to say it is bad journalism even with all the evidence.

Well, we were going to emulate the South African justice system of condemning innocent people because of poor journalism, but then realised that South Africa contains the murder capital of the world, so we decided against South African "justice". You keep referring to a speculative and frankly libellous piece of "news" and making an illogical and idiotic conclusion.

 

[Bokbe4k]

Well, we were going to emulate the South African justice system of condemning innocent people because of poor journalism, but then realised that South Africa contains the murder capital of the world, so we decided against South African "justice". You keep referring to a speculative and frankly libellous piece of "news" and making an illogical and idiotic conclusion.

Aah yes ignorance is bliss,it is just funny to me how you try your best to appear intelligent but just fall short,it is also very apparent that you jump to the last page and only react on the last post of the thread with out taking any note of any other posts and base your........"what ever it is you want to call it" on that.I just cant help wondering what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot!

 

[Haysie]

EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!!!

 

[nickdnz]

Aah yes ignorance is bliss,it is just funny to me how you try your best to appear intelligent but just fall short,it is also very apparent that you jump to the last page and only react on the last post of the thread with out taking any note of any other posts and base your........"what ever it is you want to call it" on that.I just cant help wondering what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot!

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1. I've posted 3 times on this thread and have been following the topic and evidence, no evidence has swayed me to believe the Crusaders are poaching talent.
2. Don't comment on my intelligence and then make yet another mistake ridden post. There is a space between every comma and the next word, fool.
3. How am I ignorant? Every argument I have used has been based on fact, all your posts contain the usual bias South African drivel we have all grown to expect from you.

Now if you want to discuss this further be my guess, but as we've seen on previous threads, every time you try to argue with me, not only do you make yourself seem like a fool, but you tend to have other SA posters telling you to stfu. You're not respected on this forum and your posts are either ignored or held with little esteem.

Now stfu and let the grown ups talk, k?

 

[Bokbe4k]

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1. I've posted 3 times on this thread and have been following the topic and evidence, no evidence has swayed me to believe the Crusaders are poaching talent.
2. Don't comment on my intelligence and then make yet another mistake ridden post. There is a space between every comma and the next word, fool.
3. How am I ignorant? Every argument I have used has been based on fact, all your posts contain the usual bias South African drivel we have all grown to expect from you.

Now if you want to discuss this further be my guess, but as we've seen on previous threads, every time you try to argue with me, not only do you make yourself seem like a fool, but you tend to have other SA posters telling you to stfu. You’re not respected on this forum and your posts are either ignored or held with little esteem.

Now stfu and let the grown ups talk, k?

First of all each one your post except one is on the last page which just point proves my point which brings me to my second point,if you read the second page you would have seen that what I posted is fact and I even gave the link for you but your facts are "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that",thirdly if you feel the need to put a space behind every comma then thats your business but if thats the best you got then that just proves my point about your intelligence and as far as your argument goes about making me look like a fool ...............well,what ever helps you sleep at night son.

Oh and btw I dont see you ignoring my post so you must really respect me!

 

[nickdnz]

First of all each one your post except one is on the last page which just point proves my point which brings me to my second point,if you read the second page you would have seen that what I posted is fact and I even gave the link for you but your facts are "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that",thirdly if you feel the need to put a space behind every comma then thats your business but if thats the best you got then that just proves my point about your intelligence and as far as your argument goes about making me look like a fool ...............well,what ever helps you sleep at night son.

Oh and btw I dont see you ignoring my post so you must really respect me!

Wow, you got me good...

I have been following this topic, and it is still on the first page for me because I made the post per page higher then 8...

Other than that, can you just tell me anything of any worth you have contributed to this topic or any other topic you've ever posted on?

As for "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" which I don't really recall saying, so don't misquote me, we have won U21 competition this year and are the Junior Champions, and the NZ School team has the best international record of any other international high school teams, with consistent wins over Australia recently. All of my points are valid where as none of yours are. On your point about grammar, it is called the English language and if you wish to have an intelligent conversation in this language, it helps to be coherent. All three of the points you have just added are as poor as the last. Let me recap.

1. First of all each one your post except one is on the last page which just point proves my point: As I am still on the first page of this topic, and I only post when I have something worth while to contribute (try it some time), it seems your point wasn't proven at all. I have read the articles, and I am saying the journalism is mainly guess work which both ranger and I have contributed points to support this claim. Recaps of the points are:
a.) Crusaders weren't 'invading' they were invited and paid by a South African Sporting Academy to encourage rugby and because the Crusaders are a respected team, the "Crusaders Way" being the winning culture of the Crusaders, was an advertisement.
b.) New Zealand can't afford to poach overseas talent, we can't even pay for our own talent to stay in New Zealand, and considering our own talent is of a high class as it is, it makes no sense for us to go after SA players who are ranked lower (not an insult, just a fact) over our own home grown talent.
c.) The articles mentioned seem to lack in important information which are relevant for the story, which suggests guess work was at hand.
If there is anything here you don't understand please let me know (PM me if you are too embarrassed to say so on this topic ).

2. second point, if you read the second page you would have seen that what I posted is fact and I even gave the link for you but your facts are "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" : Once again you seem to trip over the English language, but I think I can decipher your point. You are saying that you have offered legitimate points regarding the "facts" and supplied an article which should convince me, however I am avoiding the facts and going on a diatribe of how good NZ junior rugby. Well, I have read the article, and I've offered points above where there are holes. My point about "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that", is a simple fact, not gloating how good NZ rugby is, merely that we can't afford to keep our best youth players in New Zealand, therefore it makes no sense for us to poach foreign players.

3. thirdly if you feel the need to put a space behind every comma then thats your business but if thats the best you got then that just proves my point about your intelligence and as far as your argument goes about making me look like a fool ...............well,what ever helps you sleep at night son: It clearly helps to have coherent posts, however your posts indicate that you are perhaps 13-16 years old, which I suppose adds extra irony to you calling me "son". Having a coherent and articulate response, especially when arguing ones intelligence, helps the cause. Your sloppy posts and poorly structured paragraphs seems to reflect on what kind of poster you are, and I believe that your posts would be more at home on Youtube.

4. Oh and btw I dont see you ignoring my post so you must really respect me!: If it makes you feel better, sure.

Now for your response, providing there is a response, may I suggest taking what I said into account before replying? I know it is tempting to dismiss everything I say that doesn't fit in with your limited understanding of the world, however while comedic, we're laughing at you, not with you. I'll do my best to help you out if you have any questions in general, and I'm sure many other members will be willing to give you a hand with any questions you have, whether it be rugby knowledge, interpreting sources and information or even basic grammar.

Now to conclude my lesson for you Bokbe4k, a quote which I hope you take on board.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Bokbe4k]

Wow, you got me good...

I have been following this topic, and it is still on the first page for me because I made the post per page higher then 8...

Other than that, can you just tell me anything of any worth you have contributed to this topic or any other topic you've ever posted on?

As for "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" which I don't really recall saying, so don't misquote me, we have won U21 competition this year and are the Junior Champions, and the NZ School team has the best international record of any other international high school teams, with consistent wins over Australia recently. All of my points are valid where as none of yours are. On your point about grammar, it is called the English language and if you wish to have an intelligent conversation in this language, it helps to be coherent. All three of the points you have just added are as poor as the last. Let me recap.

1. First of all each one your post except one is on the last page which just point proves my point: As I am still on the first page of this topic, and I only post when I have something worth while to contribute (try it some time), it seems your point wasn't proven at all. I have read the articles, and I am saying the journalism is mainly guess work which both ranger and I have contributed points to support this claim. Recaps of the points are:
a.) Crusaders weren't 'invading' they were invited and paid by a South African Sporting Academy to encourage rugby and because the Crusaders are a respected team, the "Crusaders Way" being the winning culture of the Crusaders, was an advertisement.
b.) New Zealand can't afford to poach overseas talent, we can't even pay for our own talent to stay in New Zealand, and considering our own talent is of a high class as it is, it makes no sense for us to go after SA players who are ranked lower (not an insult, just a fact) over our own home grown talent.
c.) The articles mentioned seem to lack in important information which are relevant for the story, which suggests guess work was at hand.
If there is anything here you don't understand please let me know (PM me if you are too embarrassed to say so on this topic ).

2. second point, if you read the second page you would have seen that what I posted is fact and I even gave the link for you but your facts are "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" : Once again you seem to trip over the English language, but I think I can decipher your point. You are saying that you have offered legitimate points regarding the "facts" and supplied an article which should convince me, however I am avoiding the facts and going on a diatribe of how good NZ junior rugby. Well, I have read the article, and I've offered points above where there are holes. My point about "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that", is a simple fact, not gloating how good NZ rugby is, merely that we can't afford to keep our best youth players in New Zealand, therefore it makes no sense for us to poach foreign players.

3. thirdly if you feel the need to put a space behind every comma then thats your business but if thats the best you got then that just proves my point about your intelligence and as far as your argument goes about making me look like a fool ...............well,what ever helps you sleep at night son: It clearly helps to have coherent posts, however your posts indicate that you are perhaps 13-16 years old, which I suppose adds extra irony to you calling me "son". Having a coherent and articulate response, especially when arguing ones intelligence, helps the cause. Your sloppy posts and poorly structured paragraphs seems to reflect on what kind of poster you are, and I believe that your posts would be more at home on Youtube.

4. Oh and btw I dont see you ignoring my post so you must really respect me!: If it makes you feel better, sure.

Now for your response, providing there is a response, may I suggest taking what I said into account before replying? I know it is tempting to dismiss everything I say that doesn't fit in with your limited understanding of the world, however while comedic, we're laughing at you, not with you. I'll do my best to help you out if you have any questions in general, and I'm sure many other members will be willing to give you a hand with any questions you have, whether it be rugby knowledge, interpreting sources and information or even basic grammar.

Now to conclude my lesson for you Bokbe4k, a quote which I hope you take on board.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln.

Damn,how long did it take you to write this and judging from your edit count you must have put some thought in to this post,its a senseless waste of time,as for me,I would have just called you an idiot!

 

[IluvRugby]

Damn,how long did it take you to write this and judging from your edit count you must have put some thought in to this post,its a senseless waste of time,as for me,I would have just called you an idiot!

lol pwned.This nick guy does seem to over think things a bit which actually makes him look a bit foolish.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Damn,how long did it take you to write this and judging from your edit count you must have put some thought in to this post,its a senseless waste of time,as for me,I would have just called you an idiot!

Translated:
*fingers in ears*BLAH BLAH BLAH IM NOT LISTENING TO YOUR FACTS AND TRUTHS BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH MY ARGUMENTS

 

[TyphoonsRugby]

Bokbe4k would've proper owned nick if he had've used that massive intelligence of his, too bad he didn't and just made himself look like a schoolboy that doesnt listen in class (all that craptastic grammar, punctuation and sentence structure, I honestly cant understand some of the filth he spurts) and then tries to appear awesome. Bokbe4k, dude seriously just shut up unless you've got something worthwhile to say as most of the members here don't give half a rats ass about what you come up with.

 

[ranger]

Wow, you got me good...

I have been following this topic, and it is still on the first page for me because I made the post per page higher then 8...

Other than that, can you just tell me anything of any worth you have contributed to this topic or any other topic you've ever posted on?

As for "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" which I don't really recall saying, so don't misquote me, we have won U21 competition this year and are the Junior Champions, and the NZ School team has the best international record of any other international high school teams, with consistent wins over Australia recently. All of my points are valid where as none of yours are. On your point about grammar, it is called the English language and if you wish to have an intelligent conversation in this language, it helps to be coherent. All three of the points you have just added are as poor as the last. Let me recap.

1. First of all each one your post except one is on the last page which just point proves my point: As I am still on the first page of this topic, and I only post when I have something worth while to contribute (try it some time), it seems your point wasn't proven at all. I have read the articles, and I am saying the journalism is mainly guess work which both ranger and I have contributed points to support this claim. Recaps of the points are:
a.) Crusaders weren't 'invading' they were invited and paid by a South African Sporting Academy to encourage rugby and because the Crusaders are a respected team, the "Crusaders Way" being the winning culture of the Crusaders, was an advertisement.
b.) New Zealand can't afford to poach overseas talent, we can't even pay for our own talent to stay in New Zealand, and considering our own talent is of a high class as it is, it makes no sense for us to go after SA players who are ranked lower (not an insult, just a fact) over our own home grown talent.
c.) The articles mentioned seem to lack in important information which are relevant for the story, which suggests guess work was at hand.
If there is anything here you don't understand please let me know (PM me if you are too embarrassed to say so on this topic ).

2. second point, if you read the second page you would have seen that what I posted is fact and I even gave the link for you but your facts are "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that" : Once again you seem to trip over the English language, but I think I can decipher your point. You are saying that you have offered legitimate points regarding the "facts" and supplied an article which should convince me, however I am avoiding the facts and going on a diatribe of how good NZ junior rugby. Well, I have read the article, and I've offered points above where there are holes. My point about "we have the strongest schools so why this and why that", is a simple fact, not gloating how good NZ rugby is, merely that we can't afford to keep our best youth players in New Zealand, therefore it makes no sense for us to poach foreign players.

3. thirdly if you feel the need to put a space behind every comma then thats your business but if thats the best you got then that just proves my point about your intelligence and as far as your argument goes about making me look like a fool ...............well,what ever helps you sleep at night son: It clearly helps to have coherent posts, however your posts indicate that you are perhaps 13-16 years old, which I suppose adds extra irony to you calling me "son". Having a coherent and articulate response, especially when arguing ones intelligence, helps the cause. Your sloppy posts and poorly structured paragraphs seems to reflect on what kind of poster you are, and I believe that your posts would be more at home on Youtube.

4. Oh and btw I dont see you ignoring my post so you must really respect me!: If it makes you feel better, sure.

Now for your response, providing there is a response, may I suggest taking what I said into account before replying? I know it is tempting to dismiss everything I say that doesn't fit in with your limited understanding of the world, however while comedic, we're laughing at you, not with you. I'll do my best to help you out if you have any questions in general, and I'm sure many other members will be willing to give you a hand with any questions you have, whether it be rugby knowledge, interpreting sources and information or even basic grammar.

Now to conclude my lesson for you Bokbe4k, a quote which I hope you take on board.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln.

I haven't seen someone put in their place so effectively in a long time.

 

[nickdnz]

Damn,how long did it take you to write this and judging from your edit count you must have put some thought in to this post,its a senseless waste of time,as for me,I would have just called you an idiot!

lol pwned.This nick guy does seem to over think things a bit which actually makes him look a bit foolish.

Are you two related or something?

My edit count is because I didn't wish to make a mistake in my posts...fail to see what's wrong with that.

As for just calling me an idiot, I know you would. That's what kind of poster you are, you don't rebuttle or provide evidence to the contrary, you name call with little or no supporting arguments.

 

[Bokbe4k]

Are you two related or something?

My edit count is because I didn't wish to make a mistake in my posts...fail to see what's wrong with that.

As for just calling me an idiot, I know you would. That's what kind of poster you are, you don't rebuttle or provide evidence to the contrary, you name call with little or no supporting arguments.

Does any of you read the posts,all Im hearing is that I don't see the facts,yet you have not given one factual piece of evidence to back anything you say up.nick you are so inf actuated with "putting me in my place" and having the last word that you are making things up as you go ,you say I haven't contributed to this thread,read the posts,you say I must not miss quote you,once again ,read your first post.You say I haven't contributed,where is your contribution other than trying to take me on and pointing out how bad my grammar is,please show me your facts.So I am going to post this factual letter again which in fact was sent to every major rugby school in SA which was in fact released to the press last week,so nick I want you to read this very very slowly so you can understand because reading things quickly does not seem to be your strong point,or doing anything else quickly for that matter i.e. your edit count.

Oh, and nick rebuttal is spelled wrong.

"17 May 2010; Dear Sir

"Crusaders of New Zealand is planning a nationwide programme of talent identification in South Africa, with the goal of offering this country's most exciting young prospects a variety of opportunities to experience the culture of New Zealand's most successful Super Rugby franchise. A unique programme of elite performance coaching has been developed for young players in South Africa in addition to post-matric opportunities in Christchurch.

"As part of the talent identification Crusaders is hosting an all expenses paid training camp in Pretoria from 5-10 July. Hosted by coach Todd Blackadder and several former Crusaders test players, the camp will feature 18 sessions of world-class conditioning and coaching presented by recognised experts and coaches. Each player will undergo an intensive physiological assessment and receive a detailed report of his results. Career advice and information will be presented by a sport agent, and the entertainment programme will include access to the FIFA World Cup and other premier events.

"Entrance to the camp is by invitation only, and 60 U16 players will be chosen from across South Africa to attend - where they will compete for selection in 2011. In order to identify the group of 60, Crusaders will be hosting assessments according to the following schedule:
*Thursday, 27 May - Pretoria
*Friday, 28 May - Johannesburg
*Monday, 31 May - Bloemfontein
*Tuesday, 1 June - Cape Town
*Wednesday, 2 June - Port Elizabeth
*Thursday, 3 June - Durban

"The assessments will include full anthropometric, strength and fitness testing and physiological evaluation by Players Performance Management. Attendance of the assessments is free and also by invitation only. It is our request that you identify the two best U16 players in each position at your institution and submit them for assessment. The 60 best players from around the country will be selected on the basis of their performance and travel to Pretoria in July.

"Crusaders is offering a unique long-term opportunity for talented players, and I trust we will enjoy your full support in securing their future. The Sports Master from each school that contributes five or more players to the July training camp will be invited to attend and be hosted by Crusaders. Five of these masters will be selected at the end of the camp to travel to New Zealand in January with members of the management team.

"Please confirm your intention to submit your players for assessment before the end of Wednesday, 19 May. Application forms and confirmation of assessment venues will be supplied upon reply, for completion and return by no later than Monday, 24 May.

@ranger,I can understand you coming up for your countryman but you cant argue that we were in a legitimate debate before this guy started showing face.
No disrespect bro.

 

[nickdnz]

Does any of you read the posts,all Im hearing is that I don't see the facts,yet you have not given one factual piece of evidence to back anything you say up.nick you are so inf actuated with "putting me in my place" and having the last word that you are making things up as you go ,you say I haven't contributed to this thread,read the posts,you say I must not miss quote you,once again ,read your first post.You say I haven't contributed,where is your contribution other than trying to take me on and pointing out how bad my grammar is,please show me your facts.So I am going to post this factual letter again which in fact was sent to every major rugby school in SA which was in fact released to the press last week,so nick I want you to read this very very slowly so you can understand because reading things quickly does not seem to be your strong point,or doing anything else quickly for that matter i.e. your edit count.

Oh, and nick rebuttal is spelled wrong.

"17 May 2010; Dear Sir

"Crusaders of New Zealand is planning a nationwide programme of talent identification in South Africa, with the goal of offering this country's most exciting young prospects a variety of opportunities to experience the culture of New Zealand's most successful Super Rugby franchise. A unique programme of elite performance coaching has been developed for young players in South Africa in addition to post-matric opportunities in Christchurch.

"As part of the talent identification Crusaders is hosting an all expenses paid training camp in Pretoria from 5-10 July. Hosted by coach Todd Blackadder and several former Crusaders test players, the camp will feature 18 sessions of world-class conditioning and coaching presented by recognised experts and coaches. Each player will undergo an intensive physiological assessment and receive a detailed report of his results. Career advice and information will be presented by a sport agent, and the entertainment programme will include access to the FIFA World Cup and other premier events.

"Entrance to the camp is by invitation only, and 60 U16 players will be chosen from across South Africa to attend - where they will compete for selection in 2011. In order to identify the group of 60, Crusaders will be hosting assessments according to the following schedule:
*Thursday, 27 May - Pretoria
*Friday, 28 May - Johannesburg
*Monday, 31 May - Bloemfontein
*Tuesday, 1 June - Cape Town
*Wednesday, 2 June - Port Elizabeth
*Thursday, 3 June - Durban

"The assessments will include full anthropometric, strength and fitness testing and physiological evaluation by Players Performance Management. Attendance of the assessments is free and also by invitation only. It is our request that you identify the two best U16 players in each position at your institution and submit them for assessment. The 60 best players from around the country will be selected on the basis of their performance and travel to Pretoria in July.

"Crusaders is offering a unique long-term opportunity for talented players, and I trust we will enjoy your full support in securing their future. The Sports Master from each school that contributes five or more players to the July training camp will be invited to attend and be hosted by Crusaders. Five of these masters will be selected at the end of the camp to travel to New Zealand in January with members of the management team.

"Please confirm your intention to submit your players for assessment before the end of Wednesday, 19 May. Application forms and confirmation of assessment venues will be supplied upon reply, for completion and return by no later than Monday, 24 May.

@ranger,I can understand you coming up for your countryman but you cant argue that we were in a legitimate debate before this guy started showing face.
No disrespect bro.

As I've mentioned too many times now, this letter only shows that the Crusaders are offering a training program, there is no mention of signing players from South Africa to play in New Zealand. As mentioned many, many, many times, the unique opportunity doesn't involve selection for the Crusaders, it means to be trained by the Crusaders for a South African Sporting Academy. Your highlighting of the word "selection" does not mean it is selection for the Crusaders, it means selection to the South African Academy. Once again I can't stress the point enough which you fail to see time and time again. There is no mention of possible selection for Canterbury and/or the Crusaders.

You posted once before I joined in, so stop with the idea that I invaded the conversation, there is one post between when you started and when I joined in.

As for not presenting any facts, I have offered numerous facts and reasons why the Crusaders are not poaching from South Africa which include showing why your one posted article does not offer any facts towards the Crusaders poaching. I've also added (along with ranger of course), that New Zealand Rugby and the Crusaders (if you want evidence for Crusaders budget problems, just let me know, here is an article for you to start with http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/3641513/Canterbury-rugby-can-t-retain-players) are not able to afford their own youth players so importing South African players makes no sense. If you read my posts without dismissing them, you would realise you don't have a leg to stand on. Though I'll commend you for the length of your post, even is most of it is copy and pasted.

Another problem with your argument is that it is circular; you refer to the piece of evidence in which is being disputed upon, and then highlight "fact" when presenting it. Once again you make a mess of yourself. My posts do not only point out that you have the grammar of a retarded baby chimp, but also offer substance, something which all of your posts lack. It was however a nice attempt to retain some credibility, pity it fell over on itself. You are right on one, and only one thing, I did misspell rebuttal. That makes -
Nick spelling mistakes on this topic: 1
Bokbe4k spelling mistakes on this topic: 45 (and counting...)

On the issue of me being a slow poster, who edits his posts, fine. I'd rather be slow then uneducated and disliked.

Now, once again. Digest what I have said, I'm not going to post the same thing over and over again to answer your questions, I appreciate you are a slow learner and therefore I do what I can to make these posts easy for you to understand but this is starting to get petty and tedious. If you have any further questions or wish to challenge any of my statements, please feel free to do so and I will offer you links to back them up. I know the internet can be a scary place sometimes, and if you need someone to help you use the basic functions, just feel free to ask.

Sometimes Bok, it's better to pick your battles more carefully, I'd suggest perhaps training by arguing against a wall and then move up from there, trees, pets, babies, small children...and in a few years time, when you feel your ready, try your luck against TRF members, k?

 

[ranger]

That must be a pisstake surely. The first line says "Crusaders of New Zealand is planning" for fucks sake.
You would think that with all the millions of dollars in their poaching budget they could afford a proof reader with a handle on the english language. Im calling bullshit on this one, again.