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129k cases and 9.5k in hospital with Covid, as opposed to because of Covid.

Recorded daily cases skewed as only includes England and Wales. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/356ee2e5-c488-465e-9e47-305f4ffe486a
Big drop in deaths too
 
Further positive news. US saying Omicron isolation should be reduced from 10 days to 5 days, followed by 5 days of mask wearing if asymptomatic. I say good news, but the flip side means early stage isolation generally is less effective for Omicron because by the time you are symptomatic you've a higher chance of having passed it on than if it was Delta.


Poland now sadly hitting a daily fatality rate matching anything they have had previously. The rest of eastern Europe is not, but that may because they presumably were forced into severe measures with Delta and perhaps Omicron hasn't fully hit them yet?

Overall, I'm still not seeing anything overly concerning for anyone fully vaccinated with the two main US jabs (or other vaccines to be honest, which do seem to cut severe illness rates) who isn't in a high risk category. I think the chances are growing of a fourth jab being for high risk categories only, with the rest of us getting annual jags around next November (assuming Omicron remains dominant, which seems likely).

Also, here is a tale of what happened to the Georgian rugby coach a few months ago. This is not a virus you want in your life if you've not been vaccinated.

 
Well I just hope long Covid cases from this are few and far between with this variant. And we learn something from these last two years for the next one, whenever that may be.
 
Poland now sadly hitting a daily fatality rate matching anything they have had previously
Yes,and they don't impose any additional restrictions in Poland. I'm obliged to go to work at least once a week here (it's better than to be obliged to be present at the office 50% of the month though, rule that we had in November). Only employers decide here.. :rolleyes:
 
Yes,and they don't impose any additional restrictions in Poland. I'm obliged to go to work at least once a week here (it's better than to be obliged to be present at the office 50% of the month though, rule that we had in November). Only employers decide here.. :rolleyes:
Sorry, I didn't realise we had a Polish resident, you threw me with your flag. Are you saying the Polish government didn't impose any restrictions in late November and they still aren't? Is there any laws restricting going to pubs and nightclubs, or a Covid passport, or face coverings on public transport? Or is it all left to employers and individuals?

I see Poland is pretty middle of the road with vaccination, 55% with two jabs, 17% with a booster. I see terrible figures again this morning, pretty much equivalent to the worst days the UK had per head of population, but with cases going down I assume the Polish government must have implemented some kind of measures earlier this month, but probably just a bit late?

 
Sorry, I didn't realise we had a Polish resident, you threw me with your flag. Are you saying the Polish government didn't impose any restrictions in late November and they still aren't? Is there any laws restricting going to pubs and nightclubs, or a Covid passport, or face coverings on public transport? Or is it all left to employers and individuals?
Well, you have to wear a mask in public transport/shops..what else..the government politely asks people to vaccinate and there are only two requirements for employers as far as I know: no more than 50% of employees in the office at the same time (from my personal experience: no one really check it) and sanitizers/masks for employees . We have to pass through the temperature measurement machine before entering the office,for example,but I saw a couple of colleagues who were ill (coughing etc) just didn't have a fever so they were able to enter the office . I think that's all tbh. They don't ask for a Covid passport in nightclubs or restaurants, unfortunately (at least I haven't seen it yet). I have a couple of acquaintances here who are open anti-vaxxers (and one of them is a school teacher!!) and they are laughing at us,vaccinated people, because the government "doesn't oblige anyone to get a vaccine,so why to do it haha", imagine that..
Although, a total vaccination started really good here in May-summer months.
 
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Looks like England has ran out of LFTs and, now, PCRs too

Don't test = lower positives
 
Looks like England has ran out of LFTs and, now, PCRs too

Don't test = lower positives
Back on 16th December, I said:

"It looks like the daily figure is all set to bear less and less relation to reality as the testing system fails again and people who can't afford to self isolate accelerate the spread of omicron."

This sums up the pandemic experience for me. It's like being strapped to a seat in a bus driven by a drunk driver, heading for a cliff - you can see what's happening, you know how to fix it, but are powerless to do so.
 
Well, you have to wear a mask in public transport/shops..what else..the government politely asks people to vaccinate and there are only two requirements for employers as far as I know: no more than 50% of employees in the office at the same time (from my personal experience: no one really check it) and sanitizers/masks for employees . We have to pass through the temperature measurement machine before entering the office,for example,but I saw a couple of colleagues who were ill (coughing etc) just didn't have a fever so they were able to enter the office . I think that's all tbh. They don't ask for a Covid passport in nightclubs or restaurants, unfortunately (at least I haven't seen it yet). I have a couple of acquaintances here who are open anti-vaxxers (and one of them is a school teacher!!) and they are laughing at us,vaccinated people, because the government "doesn't oblige anyone to get a vaccine,so why to do it haha", imagine that..
Although, a total vaccination started really good here in May-summer months.
Thanks. That probably explains a lot of what Poland is experiencing. It doesn't fill me with confidence that things will get better any time soon. Seems this current wave is Delta based so it will be an interesting comparison if things get better or worse as it is replaced with Omicron.

And yes, silly you for taking a step that prevents you getting a disease with almost no statistical risk to your welfare. Next you'll be doing crazy things like keeping your eyes open while crossing the road. :p
 
Looks like England has ran out of LFTs and, now, PCRs too

Don't test = lower positives
Yeh I know you're kidding - the Trump way of thinking when positive cases were getting out of hand. "Slow the testing down."o_O

 

France reporting over 200k cases. This Omicron variant really is becoming Endemic.



183k cases reported in UK. 10.4k in England hospitals, of which a third of them in London hospitals per BBC. Daily cases - a bigger reporting lag of 8 days up to over 1.2k, but these peeps probably caught Covid 2 weeks prior. And no breakdown of how many of them with rather than because of Covid.

 
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Goes back to if the west don't waive the patent to vaccines to allow poorer countries to make their own then we can probably expect more variants in the future. Bonkers to protect pharma's profits.
 
I'm not convinced Vitamin D and Zinc are in any way a credible substitute for vaccination. However, at the risk of being an internet headcase I thought I'd briefly share some unsolicited suggestions on supplements since they are a recent topic. If you have no interest in that, then stop reading this very boring post now!

I was long ago diagnosed by haemotologists with 'naive t-cells', which basically means my immune system can be inconsistent fighting repeat infections - but not in a way that I merit medical intervention or am considered immuno-suppressed. So I've tested all supplements, expensive and cheap in minute detail over the decades in a slightly desperate attempt to improve my lot. To cut a long story short, for the past few years I've ended up focussing on pills that combine the following:

Vitamin D (a no-brainer in winters in countries well away from equator)
Iron (doctors prescribe this to me if struggling to recover from sustained infection)
Folic Acid (aids iron absorption; note excessive tea consumption reportedly suppresses iron absorption due to tannins)
Vitamin B12 (aids immunity and mental sluggishness)

Taking these individually in different pills does nothing for me. Taking these combined in expensive pills, is inconsistent. But for the last 9 months taking these in combined cheap pills (Tesco, Multivitamin and Iron to be precise) has had a sizeable impact on mental energy, physical coordination and concentration - even when I'm fighting infection (whereas before if the body was knackered the mind would surely follow). Impact on physical energy and avoiding infection is more patchy, so this isn't a wonder cure.

Anyway, if anyone is considering a supplement for Covid-19 or if they suffer from mental fatigue generally, I cannot recommend these highly enough, as it is bordering on life changing. I have managed to convince myself that this isn't the placebo effect either, although that can't be ruled out. B12 and Folic acid are routinely prescribed to women to aid immunity and fight mental fatigue but I was never prescribed with these and am unaware of men ever being given these (presumably because we don't lose energy via menstruation and pregnancy).

I've been farmed around medical specialists in the UK but may have found salvation in a 3p per day pill! I remain unconvinced it'll do anything to help me if Covid comes knocking, but hopefully the vaccines will do their thing.


Goes back to if the west don't waive the patent to vaccines to allow poorer countries to make their own then we can probably expect more variants in the future. Bonkers to protect pharma's profits.

Yes. That is why it is such a shame the Chinese, Russian and UK vaccines are proving less effective, as these were distributed on more favourable terms. We desperately need a non-US vaccine producer to step up and provide some competition in the marketplace to drive international prices downwards. The US now effectively has a monopoly, so there is no way they will change their position as things stand.
 
So, presumably Pfizer and Moderna hold the parents to the mRNA vaccines - both being American?

Shame how Oxford AZ vaccines have stopped being used in light of the minuscule risk of blood clots compared to arguably a greater/long term effect on memory T and B cells to protect v severe disease. And AZ are a British-Swedish multinational Co. so could theoretically waive theirs.



Found this interesting from Fauci regarding the antigen tests and being ineffective at testing on how transmissible the virus is after 5 days.
 
Play the game behind closed doors.

Furthermore, how many people have actually been diagnosed in Italy? A few hundred?
You sound like the idiots here in NZ 'it's only one case'

Fifty deaths later 'oops'.

If only it would take the slow learners first, we would be saved from that sort of shite.
 
So, presumably Pfizer and Moderna hold the parents to the mRNA vaccines - both being American?

Shame how Oxford AZ vaccines have stopped being used in light of the minuscule risk of blood clots compared to arguably a greater/long term effect on memory T and B cells to protect v severe disease. And AZ are a British-Swedish multinational Co. so could theoretically waive theirs.



Found this interesting from Fauci regarding the antigen tests and being ineffective at testing on how transmissible the virus is after 5 days.

To their particular flavour of vaccine, but not mRNA vaccines per se.

AZ was rushed, had flaws and there are better options. The Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the US has been developing a spike ferritin nanoparticle (SpFN) vaccine since early 2020 which is one-shot, builds lasting immunity and works against variants.

Microbiologists and immunologists haven't been sitting on their thumbs.
 
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