Chiefs manipulating the rules vs the Hurricanes?

[Larksea]

No offence to Mr. Rennie, but as prop myself who stopped playing because of back injuries, if Siate was struggling as he's saying, then he shouldn't even be in training this week. A back injury isn't something you heal from overnight.

a "back injury" can be many things.

back injuries like muscle spasms can actually get better overnight. Heck Ive had back injuries so bad I couldn't walk or move and then been back to 100% a couple of days later. And many minor back injuries its actually better to take some pain killers and keep going as resting just weakens muscles and can make it worst as in many cases the best way to recovery is strengthening muscles and fixing posture & technique issues. A mistake a lot of people make.

Professional rugby and the treatment they have access to is a whole other level to what most of us former players have ever experienced. I also retired early from playing due to injuries, the kind of injuries that only keep pro's out for a matter of weeks were basically season ending for me without access to anything like what is available to the pros today.

On this incident as a whole I find it very hard to believe Renee or the chiefs would use tactics like this. And it was for more than just a few minutes at the end of the game it was quite a significant period the chiefs were down to 14. I feel like its quite common for a scrum that's going backwards to suffer a few injuries, they clearly haven't got their technique right. Basically it did cost the chiefs as Barrett found a huge gap and made a beautiful pass to Woodward, all he had to do was catch it.

And this situation was also a symptom of the fairly new rules around props having to be certified as TH or LH and not allowed to play the opposite side even though quite a few can, and do at national(itm cup) level.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

its sounds dodgy with the voice over from the herald guy i'll give you that,

on the surface though i know loads of guys that would keep running as best as they could through the pain until a break in play. you dont want to be the guys laying on his back when they score a try

unless we have audio of the trainer telling hil to fake it we have to believe them

side point, probably for cookie, whats the deal with penalising scums that are being over powered. fair enough when a team collapses a scrum, but one thats just being pushed back and breaks up or collapses backwards...do we really think its fair to penalise a scrum for not being strong enough? surely a free kick where it broke up (so maybe 5m further down track). hell, let them play on with an advantage, the attacking team are more often than not still standing and going forward and the defending scrum is normally on its back, that's a good advantage

 

[nzlizard]

side point, probably for cookie, whats the deal with penalising scums that are being over powered. fair enough when a team collapses a scrum, but one thats just being pushed back and breaks up or collapses backwards...do we really think its fair to penalise a scrum for not being strong enough? surely a free kick where it broke up (so maybe 5m further down track). hell, let them play on with an advantage, the attacking team are more often than not still standing and going forward and the defending scrum is normally on its back, that's a good advantage

I watched a Bledisloe cup game from the late 90s and when one team demolished the scrum the ref just played on until the ball came out, I believe it was player welfare that caused the reset rule.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Reset would be fine...reset five metre downfield so the dominant team still get an advantage