British and Irish Lions Tour: Referee Chat

[corny]

Usual stuff from Peyper. I've always felt he sees himself as a SH referee and not just a referee. NH teams never get a fair deal against SH opponents with him in charge.

He had differing interpretations of the offside line for both teams and anyone who didn't notice the mixed standards he had at the lineout is wilfully blind.

No major decisions affecting the outcome of the game though so that makes it easier to swallow.

 

[Bluemoon]

The one issue I had with Peyper today was his allowing of the All Black (triggers some readers) with their dolphin diving off their feet into rucks, prime example to ruck immediately before the one leading to the penalty that led to the opening score. I felt that should have been a Lions penalty as the only way the dive over the top would have been more blatant was if he'd shouted "GERONIMO" as he did it.

Otherwise felt the referee was not any reason for the result

Yeah I felt this, particularly in the first 60. It meant that there wasn't really the opportunity to jackel or slow the ball down. Lions will hopefully have a bit more of a chance in that aspect in the following weeks.

 

[valley commando]

Refs have recently been briefed on a few rule changes as follows -:
A ref must not penalise the All Blacks when offside, nor must a ref notice forward passes or high tackles when committed by the ABs, finally a ref must penalise the AB's opponents wether offside or not from time to time

 

[NDC89]

I thought the referee was pretty good. Fair and pretty consistent. That is all I ask from a ref. Can't think of anything I felt he got wrong. From a technical point of view Te'o's big tackle on SBW was possibly a yellow card as he took him beyond the horizontal and therefore is dangerous by the laws definition. Glad he didn't get one though as it wasn't malicious and I don't think SBW was actually in any danger.

 

[SelimNiai]

Refs have recently been briefed on a few rule changes as follows -:
A ref must not penalise the All Blacks when offside, nor must a ref notice forward passes or high tackles when committed by the ABs, finally a ref must penalise the AB's opponents wether offside or not from time to time

Oh do shut up, please, for the sake of everyone else

 

[Groundhog]

Have to say that there was a lot of diving off feet by the All Blacks today. Had zero bearing on the result, but I'd like to see it pinged for the quality of the game all the same. Otherwise, I didn't pick up on much. He got a right earful from Sexton and O'Brien at the end apparently, but not quite sure why. Really not a Peyper fan, but I always beieve teams should educate themselves better on the ref's main gripes and wise up accordingly.

 

[valley commando]

Oh do shut up, please, for the sake of everyone else

Dont tell me to shut up

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Have to say that there was a lot of diving off feet by the All Blacks today. Had zero bearing on the result, but I'd like to see it pinged for the quality of the game all the same. Otherwise, I didn't pick up on much. He got a right earful from Sexton and O'Brien at the end apparently, but not quite sure why. Really not a Peyper fan, but I always beieve teams should educate themselves better on the ref's main gripes and wise up accordingly.

Sexton looked really annoyed at the knock on towards the end, in the ABs 22.
Looked like it could have been an "intentional" knock on - I don't think it was intentional as in he meant to punch it away, but you always see one handed speculative intercepts given as penalties, and in that area of the field is a penalty, yellow card and maybe even a PT.
No idea whether it was or not, but it was worth a look at by the TMO.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Why is it always the Welsh and NZ posters.

It must be something in the sheep.

 

[SelimNiai]

Dont tell me to shut up

Fine.

Be quiet.
Hush
Quit yo' jibber jabber

Pick one or at least think about what you're posting because you seriously mustn't believe what you say here, surely.

 

[smartcooky]

Yeh couldn't agree more with this . Another thing I thought is he was really picky at lineout time with us but not with the kiwis . Although like you say I don't think it altered the result

We can see from observation that there have been an number of ploys the Lions have used this tour to try to disrupt the lineout

1. They stand on the line of touch rather than a half metre on their own side. This pushes the opposition back unless they stand their ground. They have been told several times by different referees to move back, but they keep trying it on. Peyper was quick to get in and sort this out.

2. They wave their arms about on opposition throws trying to hurry the throw-in often even before the thrower has even got to the mark. Its unacceptable behaviour and needs to be stood on.

3. They yell and scream and make a lot of nose at the line out. I thought Peyper managed this well by telling them to shut up.

Both of those last two are actually a infringements. They come under "Acts contrary to good sportsmanship" - Law 10.4 (m). Its foul play and you can be penalised for it.

As for the offsides, well the first two calls (the one on defence and the one near the the Lions goal-line) didn't come from Peyper, they definitely came from the AR or the far side (Jerome Garces) - the first one, you can see Peyper look across to him to get the right place for the mark, the second you can see Garces operating the microphone switch with his right hand (the switch is just above the sternum)

 

[smartcooky]

wrong thread

 

[corny]

We can see from observation that there have been an number of ploys the Lions have used this tour to try to disrupt the lineout

1. They stand on the line of touch rather than a half metre on their own side. This pushes the opposition back unless they stand their ground. They have been told several times by different referees to move back, but they keep trying it on. Peyper was quick to get in and sort this out.

2. They wave their arms about on opposition throws trying to hurry the throw-in often even before the thrower has even got to the mark. Its unacceptable behaviour and needs to be stood on.

3. They yell and scream and make a lot of nose at the line out. I thought Peyper managed this well by telling them to shut up.

Both of those last two are actually a infringements. They come under "Acts contrary to good sportsmanship" - Law 10.4 (m). Its foul play and you can be penalised for it.

As for the offsides, well the first two calls (the one on defence and the one near the the Lions goal-line) didn't come from Peyper, they definitely came from the AR or the far side (Jerome Garces) - the first one, you can see Peyper look across to him to get the right place for the mark, the second you can see Garces operating the microphone switch with his right hand (the switch is just above the sternum)

The Lions were asked to maintain a gap that the NZ'ers weren't. I can't see how an impartial observer can refute that.

On the screaming? Its no different to the NZ'ers screaming "release, release" (while off their feet and not supporting their body weight) in general play. Contrary to good sportsmanship is an unbelievable stretch btw.

The point is Peyper only tackles the NH teams on rules while allowing players he's more familiar with transgress. It happens with too much frequency to be coincidence and he's the only referee in world rugby i'd accuse of bias.

 

[smartcooky]

The Lions were asked to maintain a gap that the NZ'ers weren't. I can't see how an impartial observer can refute that.

No,

The AR sets the line of touch, BOTH teams have to be a half metre on their side of it. In that first line out, the ABs were clearly back half a metre, the Lions were standing ON the line of touch. Anyone with a pair of functioning eyes could see that.

This is a 5m line out. Now tell me who isn't giving who space at the line of touch?

On the screaming? Its no different to the NZ'ers screaming "release, release" (while off their feet and not supporting their body weight) in general play. Contrary to good sportsmanship is an unbelievable stretch btw.

No.

ALL teams call "release" or wave their arms about at the breakdown (I'd prefer they didn't) but that is an entirely different situation. The line-out is a set peice that is supposed to be a way to restart the game fairly after the ball goes into touch.

Yelling and screaming at the lineout being a breach of good sportsmanship is not a stretch or an opinion, it is a fact. It is listed as such in Referee GMGs and I coach my referee students to not tolerate it at any level, as does every other referee coach I know.

The point is Peyper only tackles the NH teams on rules while allowing players he's more familiar with transgress. It happens with too much frequency to be coincidence and he's the only referee in world rugby i'd accuse of bias.

This is just one-eyed NH rubbish.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I don't like the shouting at the lineout, hate it at the breakdown more though.
In the NH they've started penalising for it under the new respect the referee rulings (not sure what they're actually called, but the ref basically has more scope to penalise players being footballers).
Not sure if that's just a NH thing, though, and I'm also not sure whether any ref would have the minerals to start penalising players internationally for it, especially All Blacks players in NZ! I'm sure Lions players were doing at as well, anyway.

 

[Skylinerd1]

We can see from observation that there have been an number of ploys the Lions have used this tour to try to disrupt the lineout

1. They stand on the line of touch rather than a half metre on their own side. This pushes the opposition back unless they stand their ground. They have been told several times by different referees to move back, but they keep trying it on. Peyper was quick to get in and sort this out.

2. They wave their arms about on opposition throws trying to hurry the throw-in often even before the thrower has even got to the mark. Its unacceptable behaviour and needs to be stood on.

3. They yell and scream and make a lot of nose at the line out. I thought Peyper managed this well by telling them to shut up.

Both of those last two are actually a infringements. They come under "Acts contrary to good sportsmanship" - Law 10.4 (m). Its foul play and you can be penalised for it.

As for the offsides, well the first two calls (the one on defence and the one near the the Lions goal-line) didn't come from Peyper, they definitely came from the AR or the far side (Jerome Garces) - the first one, you can see Peyper look across to him to get the right place for the mark, the second you can see Garces operating the microphone switch with his right hand (the switch is just above the sternum)

Yep but when Itoje came on he was BLATANTLY offside (watch the replay he was never even onside when the lineout formed crazy stuff) when he stole the ball off Retallick other than that it was a great steal. Dumb from the AB's though as he didnt move and they did this fancy pants move to be right behind Itoje. DUMB.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't like the shouting at the lineout, hate it at the breakdown more though.
In the NH they've started penalising for it under the new respect the referee rulings (not sure what they're actually called, but the ref basically has more scope to penalise players being footballers).
Not sure if that's just a NH thing, though, and I'm also not sure whether any ref would have the minerals to start penalising players internationally for it, especially All Blacks players in NZ! I'm sure Lions players were doing at as well, anyway.

Well frankly, I'm sick of seeing players (ALL players, ours and theirs) waving their arms around like seagulls with a "c'mon ref" attitude. IMO, allowing this kind of behaviour is the beginning of the slippery slope toward wendyballer behaviour. World rugby has rules on "simulation" and its time they did so on this as well.

I often hear people complaining about the amount of yelling Aaron Smith does, but more often than not, he's yelling at his own players (mostly tacklers at the breakdown) to get up and on their feet. NZ coaches have a policy that players on the ground are not contributing on defence. Many times you will hear Smith in the Highlanders team yelling "get up Dixie" (Elliot Dixon) or "move it 'Couda" (Richard Buckman).

 

[Skylinerd1]

Another one that went against the AB's was the penalty on 29:20. Franks was penalised for taking man without the ball. Infact, Franks timing was spot on and murray clearly had his hands on the ball.

 

[smartcooky]

Yep but when Itoje came on he was BLATANTLY offside (watch the replay he was never even onside when the lineout formed crazy stuff) when he stole the ball off Retallick other than that it was a great steal. Dumb from the AB's though as he didnt move and they did this fancy pants move to be right behind Itoje. DUMB.

Err, this line-out was formed at about the 2 min mark. Itoje was still sitting on the subs bench!!

 

[Skylinerd1]

Err, this line-out was formed at about the 2 min mark. Itoje was still sitting on the subs bench!!

No you think I cant tell the difference between Itoje and anyone else on the park id have to be blind? This was in the second half when Itoje stole the ball. Clearly Itoje.