[2025 Six Nations] Scotland vs Ireland - 09/02/25

[Leonormous Boozer]

I don't count warm up games for this sort of thing. It's still 5 on the hop and 1 in 4 years with it included. (Were France even top 4 at the start of 21? Think that was when the mental RWC draw was done leaving Wales and England as Europe's top 2)

 

[AlRums]

World Cup warmups don't count, come on

Splitting hairs for the statement made

 

[retired9]

The hype about Scotland is annoying for me too, we have no substantial evidence to back it up.
What has happened is Scotland have become very competitive in the last few years and banished several monkeys (Twickenham, Paris, Wales, multiple Calcutta cups), so there is a bit of well founded optimism. The problem is that in 6N terms, they have not been able to catch the big boys when it matters (yet).

Scotland went 15 odd years with very little to be excited about, the dark days of Williams and Hadden, Robinson tried but didn't have the personnel, the other Aussie bloke was a disaster, it took until big Vern before things genuinely began to straighten out a bit.

For Sunday, I'd like to see Tom Jordan at 12 I think it's a better option for Russell and gives him some room to manoeuvre. The forwards need a massive performance, most of the last few games Ireland have nullified Finn by denying him any platform. The guy is a massive talent, but still human!

I fear Ireland may still win this, could be a 5 point game til 70mins then 2 scores make it look one sided.

still believe scotland have it in them, Ireland are more beatable than recent years, has to be a hell of an effort though just to get close.

 

[Derpus]

The hype about Scotland is annoying for me too, we have no substantial evidence to back it up.
What has happened is Scotland have become very competitive in the last few years and banished several monkeys (Twickenham, Paris, Wales, multiple Calcutta cups), so there is a bit of well founded optimism. The problem is that in 6N terms, they have not been able to catch the big boys when it matters (yet).

Scotland went 15 odd years with very little to be excited about, the dark days of Williams and Hadden, Robinson tried but didn't have the personnel, the other Aussie bloke was a disaster, it took until big Vern before things genuinely began to straighten out a bit.

For Sunday, I'd like to see Tom Jordan at 12 I think it's a better option for Russell and gives him some room to manoeuvre. The forwards need a massive performance, most of the last few games Ireland have nullified Finn by denying him any platform. The guy is a massive talent, but still human!

I fear Ireland may still win this, could be a 5 point game til 70mins then 2 scores make it look one sided.

still believe scotland have it in them, Ireland are more beatable than recent years, has to be a hell of an effort though just to get close.

Heard you've got a few more international imports coming through the recruitment tube. She'll be right.

 

[The Seeker]

I'm going with Scotland in this one.

 

[General Melchett]

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The hype about Scotland is annoying for me too, we have no substantial evidence to back it up.
What has happened is Scotland have become very competitive in the last few years and banished several monkeys (Twickenham, Paris, Wales, multiple Calcutta cups), so there is a bit of well founded optimism. The problem is that in 6N terms, they have not been able to catch the big boys when it matters (yet).

Scotland went 15 odd years with very little to be excited about, the dark days of Williams and Hadden, Robinson tried but didn't have the personnel, the other Aussie bloke was a disaster, it took until big Vern before things genuinely began to straighten out a bit.

For Sunday, I'd like to see Tom Jordan at 12 I think it's a better option for Russell and gives him some room to manoeuvre. The forwards need a massive performance, most of the last few games Ireland have nullified Finn by denying him any platform. The guy is a massive talent, but still human!

I fear Ireland may still win this, could be a 5 point game til 70mins then 2 scores make it look one sided.

still believe scotland have it in them, Ireland are more beatable than recent years, has to be a hell of an effort though just to get close.

Scotland don't have a God given right to win the 6N and failure to do so isn't necessarily below par or a failure to meet expectations. If you look at bookies' odds (based on analysts' data) Scotland are never favourites to beat Ireland or France let alone win the whole thing. Sometimes you have to accept that 3rd place is your level (or even 4th if England get their act together). To win the 6N it would take a freakish couple of performances with Scotland playing out of their skin against Ireland and France with them having a bad day at the office. The odds of that happening in one championship are unlikely.

Beating Ireland is the last 6N monkey on the back but there's no guarantee that it will happen with the current crop of players especially and as long as Leinster continue to be a well oiled machine.

I know Townsend has used sports psychologists who will have the players believing they can win but the key is to keep that self belief in camp and not go spouting it to the media allowing opposition teams and fans to fill their boots.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's so funny how angry people get over Scotland

 

[General Melchett]

It's so funny how angry people get over Scotland

The negative energy starts from the Murrayfield booing.

 

[munstermuffin]

As it is on in Murrayfield I will say we will win but won't get BP. Gregor Townsend is like a good tease will always get to near the end but never can finish it off with this Scottish team.