Argentina invited to the 3 nations

[Iain A]

good news that Argentina are going to be in a competition, i was hoping they would be included in either the 6 nations, or the tri nations, maybe this will be a stepping stone to one or the other, they had a great world cup, but need to play in regular competion. :bravo:

 

[redunderthebed]

I heard on Fox Sports News that the IRB said it would be another 4 years before Argentina joins a major competition. I personally think its pressure to get the argentine union to get a professional league up and running etc.

 

[goranski]

what do they have to do win the World Cup first!?

 

[Prestwick]

Yes.

 

[rodri_arg91]

As an argie, i believe that it's a great idea to include Argentina in the tri nations. After all, it's the only top-ten country which does belong to an annual international competition. It's hard to mantain a good level of rugby without a first level tournament like the 6 nations or the 3 nations.
It's completely fair to include it in a competition like this... But on the other hand, it's not as simple as it seems. We don't have a professional structure here, we still have amateur local competitions and it's very difficult to get into a tournament like the tri-nations when so many important players are in Europe. It will be extremely difficult to keep up with New Zealand, Australia and South Africa and mantain a good level of rugby.
Maybe, the six nations tournament would benefit Argentina much more. Argentina could play at the same level than the European nations and even fight for the ***le. But we don't belong to the Northern Hemisphere. I heard that there could be a chance of staying in Spain during the six nations, and play the Argentinian local matches there...but i'm not sure.

Anyway, it's good to get the recognition we deserve... Regards from Argentina.

VAMOS LOS PUMAS CARAJO!

 

[paretrooper]

I for one support the idea of an exspanded super rugby comp the likes of Aussie ceo O'neil
has throwin about. a 26 week comp just like the NRL haveing teams based in argie, japan,usa
aswell as the SANZA countrys with internationals played mid week just like the STATE OF ''O''
or a window for tests in the middle of the comp.and allowing players to play for any team
and who still can be selected for tests for there home nation.

 

[KZNSharksFan]

I for one support the idea of an exspanded super rugby comp the likes of Aussie ceo O'neil
has throwin about. a 26 week comp just like the NRL haveing teams based in argie, japan,usa
aswell as the SANZA countrys with internationals played mid week just like the STATE OF ''O''
or a window for tests in the middle of the comp.and allowing players to play for any team
and who still can be selected for tests for there home nation.
[/b]

Say goodbye to NPC, Currie Cup. Over a hundred years of tradition down the drain for the Currie Cup as well as the loss of a superb player development programme. NZ and SA will end up like Aus (god forbid) with no intermediate step from club to real first class games

 

[paretrooper]

but you could have those comps as a feeder to the pro comp i don't know sorry how the Currie cup works
and i am not degradeing it. but we have tryed to make the NPC a pro comp but the money is not here
and club rugby is sufering.imo you can make the NPC like a colt team to the pros. nothing changed
played the same way.have them as a warm up game to the big game. god forbid i do not want to
change the history of the comp but if we do not think out of the box we in the south will become
a feeder to the rich northern clubs. sorry sir but there needs to be a change to stop the rot of the top
players of SA,NZ, AUST going to the north. as far as i see it the south has the best most hardest
comp in the game. but if we don't change we will bleed players to the big money.

 

[Steve-o]

First you have figure out why they are leaving.
IMO and from reading many interviews of SH players up in the north is:
1) Money
2) To experience a different rugby culture

The first point is not a rugby problem, it's a socio-economic problem. People in Europe, in any profession or job, generally have better salaries and better living conditions than anywhere in the world.

The 2nd point can not be replicated. Languages, culture, climate of Europe is unique.

We need to keep our competitions like the CC strong and put them high on the priority list. South Africa has many other competitions to develop talent, the CC is our premier domestic competition.

 

[Canadian_Rugger]

WHat you need is to develop an actual feeder system into the big leagues. In North America every pro sport has a feeder system of progression In Hockey it goes you play Midget AAA when your 15 years old in the hope you get scouted to play in the Canadian Hockey League which is a semi-pro professional league with three seperate leagues spread around the country. This league is an under-21 league with the hope that players who are good enough get drafted to the NHL. The CHL does very well and is very popular teams regularly get 4 to 5000 fans a game and its very successful. Canada also has around 60 tier AAA junior teams in the country one for each city/region. After this if you haven't gone to the NHL you enter a feeder system which is professional hockey but broken down into AAA, AA, A tier leagues with the hope that you get notice and get a call up to one of the big 30 NHL teams.

 

[s33f]

There are even some talks of inviting them into an extended S14

 

[Eche_17]

Well, in Argentina the news say that the Argentinian Rugby Union had received like six million pounds or something like that...to make the rugby structure better.

Congrats for these posts including news of Argentina

 

[fakucarp]

I prefer that Argentina entered the "Six Nations" because the schedules are better suited to the stars can participate in this tournament. But this will be very difficult to materialize

Go Pumas!!!

 

[gushernunez]

Hello all:

So many has been said about this matter and what speciallized press is saying over here is that the IRB want's Argentina to go PRO in order to be included in any anual competition, you name it 6N or 3N. But this is not the only problem, distance is a BIG issue, for anyone that's being on a south emisphere flight we're talking about 10 to 12 hs flight! that's a lot.
If we play overseas (that is, the arg. team gathers outside for the game) means the UAR looses money, the players suffers from traveling... not a good deal.
this applies for europe and south emisphere.

Second is our vision of the game... we play rugby not just as the incredible sport that it is, it's a way of living and thinking... (and a little secret, It's also good bussines for a few, to keep it amateur), and since is not a cheap sport for people who practice it it's a good way of classist elitism (did I write it correctly?... elitism?)
So bottom line is... the players and some managers are working to put Argentina in an annual competition, so
It will be long 'till we can play in any competition.
and let's face it... we are not particularly close to the big nations to ease things.
Never the less Argentina HAS to be in an annual competition no one can doubt that Argentinian rugby is competitive.

Hummble... my oppinion

Vamos Los Pumas Carajo!

 

[uli85]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gushernunez @ May 18 2009, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hello all:

So many has been said about this matter and what speciallized press is saying over here is that the IRB want's Argentina to go PRO in order to be included in any anual competition, you name it 6N or 3N. But this is not the only problem, distance is a BIG issue, for anyone that's being on a south emisphere flight we're talking about 10 to 12 hs flight! that's a lot.
If we play overseas (that is, the arg. team gathers outside for the game) means the UAR looses money, the players suffers from traveling... not a good deal.
this applies for europe and south emisphere.

Second is our vision of the game... we play rugby not just as the incredible sport that it is, it's a way of living and thinking... (and a little secret, It's also good bussines for a few, to keep it amateur), and since is not a cheap sport for people who practice it it's a good way of classist elitism (did I write it correctly?... elitism?)
So bottom line is... the players and some managers are working to put Argentina in an annual competition, so
It will be long 'till we can play in any competition.
and let's face it... we are not particularly close to the big nations to ease things.
Never the less Argentina HAS to be in an annual competition no one can doubt that Argentinian rugby is competitive.

Hummble... my oppinion

Vamos Los Pumas Carajo![/b]

Good opinion there mate. But why do you say it's a good business for some people to keep argentinian rugby amateur? I think they just fear the professionalism becomes rugby like football, and loose the tradition, amateur spirit and the love of the players for their clubs.

 

[rugbierbanger]

I guess that just a part of the national rugby should be professional, the sevens team, the Jaguars, the u-21 and the Pumas themselves, but not the clubs or tranfers

 

[gushernunez]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rugbierbanger @ May 18 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I guess that just a part of the national rugby should be professional, the sevens team, the Jaguars, the u-21 and the Pumas themselves, but not the clubs or tranfers[/b]

Good opinion there mate. But why do you say it's a good business for some people to keep argentinian rugby amateur? I think they just fear the professionalism becomes rugby like football, and loose the tradition, amateur spirit and the love of the players for their clubs.

thanks...
yes, to both of you, I said what I've said because there's a lot of small money and business related such as buffet service, and such that will change if rugby at a club level goes pro, plus, right now picture something like this... suppose your club needs to do some mainteinance duty or simple a paint job, lots of clubs specially small ones give this to "know people" or "friends" if a club goes pro this is over you see? is not just fear to loose tradition, amateur spirit and love for your club.
Ask a ANY professional player that was once amateur if they ever forgot what they felt for their original clubs?
Pichot, Ledesma, are just two examples in many, many cases of players that passed trough professional rugby in France, England, Italy.. they all went back to their clubs after their "pro" affair and finish their carreers back in their clubs, continue trainning kids, or managing or just being there watching the match every saturday.
How many players like Rodrigo Roncero, Juan Martin Hernandez just to mention two; catches a fligth whenever they can to get back to their families, friends and you see them otuside the field just like everybody watching "the guys" playing?
However I have to say... in many many cases the fear of loosing amateur misticism is true, at a certain point I feel it too, it's a risk but in life like in rugby (if anybody ever played it) there comes a point where you have to take risk.
Anyway...
thank you both for your reply