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Lets be honest though I'm still amazed one of those bozo's still failed to beat him problem with a large field I honestly think if the Republican choices hadn't been so wide someone like Rubio would of won by miles.
 
Whilst the world poops itself over Trump v Kim Jong, the media is lobbying for a hostile stance against Russia (the biggest nuclear armed power on the planet).

Kind of ironic?
 
GarethGriffiths said:
That surely says something about them - if Trump can come from out of nowhere and not only win the Republican nomination for POTUS but also then become POTUS, those whom he beat were/are sadly lacking.

Still, Trump has never said that he can cure homosexuality - Mike Pence (VP) has though: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/us/politics/mike-pence-and-conversion-therapy-a-history.html

It could be that they are all stark raving mad?
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Or those who voted for him are severely lacking. When you look at his core vote, that is pretty believable. America has built up a culture of conspiracy, anti-intellectualism, confrontation, paranoia and worshipping wealth. After years and year of obstruction and peddling lunacy, the right wing have got a lunatic in charge. You reap what you sow and we all knew it would happen, we just didn't think it would be THIS insane. Every time you think the American right wing have set a new low, they smash straight through it and go ever lower. The pace has only accelerated since Trump took over. They have completely taken leave of their senses to the extent where this childish behaviour isn't being ignored, it's actively being promoted as true presidential behaviour!
 
The sad thing is there won't be an end to it any time soon.

Trump still has decent support from people whom otherwise would not have their voices heard (and no, not all of them are bad people), so they may think 'what have we got to lose - we don't care, because the other side doesn't'. When they are called 'deplorables', they're not exactly going to think 'oh wow, we must be brow-beaten and vote for Hillary' - if Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May had called voters whom opposed them 'deplorables' the pressure to apologise or even resign would be massive.

It is sad that walls have already been built between people, and that is before Trump has even commenced work on his border one. Neither side will talk/debate/compromise with the other so essentially all is lost at the present point in time.
 
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The sad thing is there won't be an end to it any time soon.

Trump still has decent support from people whom otherwise would not have their voices heard (and no, not all of them are bad people), so they may think 'what have we got to lose - we don't care, because the other side doesn't'. When they are called 'deplorables', they're not exactly going to think 'oh wow, we must be brow-beaten and vote for Hillary' - if Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May had called voters whom opposed them 'deplorables' the pressure to apologise or even resign would be massive.

It is sad that walls have already been built between people, and that is before Trump has even commenced work on his border one. Neither side will talk/debate/compromise with the other so essentially all is lost at the present point in time.
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The thing is if the person representing me was acting even close to Trump, I'd be ashamed. I don't want to be represented by an idiotic man-child. You've got to ask who genuinely is left that supports Trump who wasn't ignored for a good reason? He may not have just been supported by racists, nationalists and a variety of bigots and trolls to begin with but I have yet to meet someone who still supports Trump that has actually shown even a modicum of intelligence or reasoning. His remaining supporters think his actions are the sign of a great leader, that tells you all you need to know about them. They also tend to be with the people who sided with the far right in Charlottesville and even made excuses for one of them being a murderer. These same people making excuses for Moore, relishing in the chance to start lobbing nukes and feel happier to more they and Trump **** people off. That shows a very immature and unstable attitude both in Trump and his supporters.
 
I would be ashamed too, but when the party gives you Hobson's choice what do you do?

You could always vote against what you believe, but then you have to live with the consequences of electing a person for whom you are the least of their concerns.

I genuinely feel for the USA - I did want to give DT a chance, just to show that he was different and he offered something new from Obama. He offers nothing and if the Democrats actually talk with the 'deplorables' and get them onside (a bit of forgiveness will be needed on all sides) then he will be backed into a corner he cannot get out of.
 
GarethGriffiths said:
I would be ashamed too, but when the party gives you Hobson's choice what do you do?

You could always vote against what you believe, but then you have to live with the consequences of electing a person for whom you are the least of their concerns.

I genuinely feel for the USA - I did want to give DT a chance, just to show that he was different and he offered something new from Obama. He offers nothing and if the Democrats actually talk with the 'deplorables' and get them onside (a bit of forgiveness will be needed on all sides) then he will be backed into a corner he cannot get out of.
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The issue with this is making out it is the Democrats who need to make the move to fix things, this massive rift between left and right was fueled by the right wing far more than the left. You only have to look at the record levels of obstructionism, the record levels of secrecy now they are in control and the completely insane attitude of those there now to see which side it is that needs to change. Hillary was a shocking choice and the Dems could do with a bit less arrogance but it's the right wing who have to get back to normality. They are the ones who started this refusal to work with the others, setting out to block anything even if it meant damaging the country. Democrats just have to present themselves as the reasonable candidates again and then those on the right who aren't batshit insane have to decide if they are going to continue to let their party be hijacked but the lunatics or not.

It's an interesting comparison, look at people in the Bush administration and when Obama was first running to be president. The bush administration had a lot of haters but ultimately you ask do you think Bush, Rice, Powell etc were really unhinged? Cheyney was about as bad as it got for them and he was mild by the standards of what is there now. McCain came across as perfectly normal and corrected his own supporters when they were making wild accusations of Obama. Letting Palin in was the first step towards insanity though. From there it got worse and worse. The corrections about Obama were replaced with blowing the conspiracies to ridiculous proportions and the Republican candidates and congress just became more and more removed from reasonable discourse. It's been 8 years in the making and now we have reached what is hopefully the finale. Through the whole thing though it's been the right wing pushing down this insane road against the advice of everyone and it is for them to fix it. Until that time yes, they are deplorables for allowing such arseholes to take over.
 
When's this Fire and Fury book being released here in the UK? I am intrigued.
 
The_Blindside said:
When's this Fire and Fury book being released here in the UK? I am intrigued.
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Ennit
I kinda wanna read it now


That said, imagine if trump was actually in on it and is gonna make bank off of everyone wanting it. That's something that a genius who is "really, like, smart" would do
 
TRF_Olyy said:
Ennit
I kinda wanna read it now
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FYI it's available on Amazon now to download on Kindle app.:). There's a free extract to read in the "look inside" on the website. I read some extracts from the Sunday Times this morning.
 
The media did raise it, like a LOT

"Alternative facts" from the Trumpsters
 
My father has a copy of it, apparently book stores ordered a massive amount.

Trump might be saving the bookstore industry.

He has to disclose his income for this year so we'll see if he actually was in on it.
 
Then that is the media for you (social media included - I definitely recall posts/messages stating that it would be 'so cruel' to mock Hillary for her strange behaviour and fainting during the POTUS campaign).

Can't say I'll be buying the book, but each to their own. Will be interesting to see if DT has taken a salary (he said that he wouldn't, we'll just have to see).

I wonder how the USA economy is doing under his leadership? That doesn't get spoken about nearly as much these days as DT offending half the world.

Having thought about it, wouldn't it be funny if it was all a joke - remember that Jesse Jackson and the Clinton's were (maybe still are) friends with DT? Who says that any of this is real.

Spin enough yarn and you'll be covered in no time.
 
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