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Trump is just a right wing troll made manifest... If the Republicans aren't completely annihilated in the mid terms then the USA is in big ****.

On the beer front, I'll see your German beer and raise you Czech beer.
 
What an absolute **** show,
Swatting is just insane, one of the lowest "pranks" I can think of.
Then some trigger happy under trained over armed copper kills the kid as he opens the door completely unawares as to what's on the other side.
 
I can't understand the story... So they get a phone call and before ANYONE thinks to verify the situation, they just shoot the first guy to open the door!? I'm constantly staggered by the lack of professionalism and sound judgement used by American police. Yeah I know it's easy to say that sitting behind my computer away from the potentially high stress situation but surely they don't operate on a shoot first ask questions later basis until they have confirmed it is true? I believe they now lock people up for swatting though so the culprit will face jail time.

In other news, Nick Clegg is getting a knighthood... How the ****?
 
ragerancher said:
In other news, Nick Clegg is getting a knighthood... How the ****?
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Man was deputy prime minister and then first Liberal leader to see his party in government since WW2 but with considerably more influence. He managed to implement a fair bit of Liberal policy whilst doing so.

Liberal-Democrat-achievements-in-government-large-web-version-April-2015.jpg


Whilst also curbing the excess of the Tory party
https://www.markpack.org.uk/129190/what-the-lib-dems-have-stopped-the-tories-doing/

I'll also argue that he created a stable government (which was not possible with Labour) whilst the entire country was still in the throes of the Global Financial Crisis. When the alternatives were massive uncertainty and would of likely plunged us further into recession. He did this at expenditure of great political capital because he got into bed with Tory's which I suspect is your real gripe despite his accomplishments.


I'm actually reading his book at the moment 'How to Stop Brexit (and make Britain Great Again)' which is a pretty honest reflection of our relationship with the EU. The full extent to hownthe media have misportrayed the EU based on the biases of a few mega rich media owners who mainly want deregulation and a lower tax burden on themselves. And a bunch more that I haven't read yet. It was recently voted by the commons (in a sevret ballot) as political book of the year.

Seriously we are a lot poorer as a nation without Nick Clegg in parliament and was an actual heavyweight in the political arena. It's just a shame his character in the public eye was heavilly damaged by trying to do what he was best for the nation as a whole.
 
Unless your gripe is against political knighthood but they've existed forever.
 
If anyone's in any doubt about Clegg's ability to curb the Tory excesses, just have a look at what the Tories have done given a free rein. Personally, in comparison, I long for the days of the coalition
 
Was never my favourite Politician, but very few of them are IMO.

Looking at the list Ncurd posted:

1 & 2 - Sounds good, but we are still one of the heaviest taxed nations on the planet. Why should people pay tax on something like a house three or four times over? Why not introduce one flat rate of tax and thereafter everything is free?

3- I get that we need to do more for the environment, but building ruddy great wind farms and churning up the countryside to build new housing hardly helps. Plus, we will only meet the Paris agreement on climate if we stop developing overnight - otherwise we will miss this target completely (oh, and Yellowstone is long overdue for eruption and that mad midget in North Korea has his finger on the button...) Helping Mother Nature is definitely a good ideal, but seems a bit impractical at present.

4 - Good, but can you 'future-proof' jobs? What about neoliberalism in the markets, and also the burgeoning threat of Robot/AI workers?

5 - It's the job of parents to provide for their children and not the state. If the parents can't (or won't) provide then yes the state must do something. Poverty can be overcome, but all parties must agree to a definite plan and work together (liberals tend to favour Government intervention, whereas conservatives say it is up to the individual). Hayek's comments on Poverty are well worth reading (and the guy is far from being a 'Progressive') and it should be about the opportunity to escape from this cycle and not anything else which is enacted as the plan.

6 - Looks good, but will a state pension still be guaranteed in the future? Will people have to rely on themselves and funding their future without the safety net of a state pension were it not to be affordable as a benefit?

7 - This and 8 are probably the only thing that I do agree with them on - we do not need another 2007 and banks capitulating. Perhaps you also need that Soros chap arrested too?

8 - Agree on most of these - I do think that we need stricter control of the internet and people who post hate-speech, death threats, racism etc. should be able to be traced and then fined/blocked or even banned.

9 - Sounds good, but how many Post Offices and also Banks are closing down in small towns and villages?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ised-close-37-branches-local-branch-affected/

I would ensure that every small town/village has at least one Post Office/Bank (maybe even on the same premises) and it could not be closed against the wishes of the people.

10 - This is my big 'I disagree' moment. We do not need more housing, when our economy and infrastructure is out of kilter. We actually need less people in the UK which will help alleviate pressure on the NHS, Police etc. When you add people, but do not add the basic services which they need and which should be theirs by right, you are only creating chaos. Near my home town in South Wales, an estate for over 1000 homes was recently (and thankfully) turned down because there was no provision for schools and health centres. Instead, developers said 'they can use the existing ones'. The local primary and secondary schools are over-subscribed and falling apart (literally!) and the local hospital cannot cope with people and no doctor in the area is taking on any new patients. Of course, Mr./Mrs. Developer will throw a hissy fit and grease a few palms to get his/her way, and when these new homes are built their owners/tenants will not be able to access these services.

11 - Doesn't really impact on me (I am asexual) but good luck to anybody choosing to marry regardless of sexuality.

12 - As above, it is the parents job to bring up their child/children IMO and not the state's. I personally believe in free child care for the first child, half for the second and from then on the parents have to provide for any future children (of course, barring anything like 8 children being born at once).
 
What's wrong with wind farms?
They built one by my village and no one gives a ****.
Better than the HS2 destroying people's property and land for no reason
 
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/huge-wind-turbine-could-built-13728347

http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/page/81976

Maybe some people are bothered about them more than others.

Also, if people don't want them in their neighbourhood, they should not be forced to have them.

We have Hydrogen Cell tech available, and soon Thorium will be available once it can be stabilised and used as a fuel source.

As for HS2, I would rebuild the Great Central and transplant IC125 units or spare 800/802 units to act as a service between London, Aylesbury, Brackley, Woodford Halse, Daventry, Rugby and Leicester. Rebuild the Ivanhoe line from Leicester to Burton for access to Manchester via Stenson Junction (new junction with access from the south).
 
"But we are still one of the heaviest taxed nations on the planet."

This is when I stopped bothering to read....because you known the NHS, Defence & Education are not free and its not like they are rolling in cash currently? Right?

Wait no I know the answer its not we need to tax those who can afford it more, the problems immigration right? Or those damn foreigners either through foreign aid or fleeing wars we help start. It's all someone else's fault.
 
GarethGriffiths said:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/huge-wind-turbine-could-built-13728347

http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/page/81976

Maybe some people are bothered about them more than others.

Also, if people don't want them in their neighbourhood, they should not be forced to have them.

We have Hydrogen Cell tech available, and soon Thorium will be available once it can be stabilised and used as a fuel source.

As for HS2, I would rebuild the Great Central and transplant IC125 units or spare 800/802 units to act as a service between London, Aylesbury, Brackley, Woodford Halse, Daventry, Rugby and Leicester. Rebuild the Ivanhoe line from Leicester to Burton for access to Manchester via Stenson Junction (new junction with access from the south).
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Man I love it when people links prove their point is ********. From your NHS website link

The Public Health Wales Position Statement
We have reviewed the evidence on wind turbine-generated noise and health.

This review identified no evidence to suggest that noise from wind turbines has a direct physiological impact on health.
 
ncurd said:
"But we are still one of the heaviest taxed nations on the planet."

This is when I stopped bothering to read....because you known the NHS, Defence & Education are not free and its not like they are rolling in cash currently? Right?

Wait no I know the answer its not we need to tax those who can afford it more, the problems immigration right? Or those damn foreigners either through foreign aid or fleeing wars we help start. It's all someone else's fault.
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Immigration does not help though - we are having to build new houses for mainly foreigners (EU and non-EU nationals), and this is obviously adding to the strain on the country. Of course, certain people will treat this as racism rather than stop and think 'well if we are adding people and not adding services, and we have an under-stress NHS/Police Force etc. then this is obviously not good. To call it racist is just to 'do an ostrich'.

The NHS has recently had a major injection of cash, but I expect that the begging bowl will be out soon enough - whatever is given by central Government never seems to be enough to solve the NHS's problem. Strange, when you consider that Nuffield, Spire, Circle and others can not only provide very good healthcare but also make a profit. Perhaps they are the way forward, and if the NHS can't or won't change then it is time to say that it will no longer have access to funding and that will go instead to Nuffield, Spire, Circle etc.

With regards to defence, Sir Michael Fallon recently commented that the UK should increase its spending:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-nato-2-defence-spending-target-says-michael/

However, where does this extra money come from? Do we cut back on other areas to fund this, and what if Labour/Liberals/Greens etc. throw tantrums and demand that this plan be scrapped? You need cross-party agreement on defence and can you see that happening any time soon?

Education - personally I would like to know just how much of the cost is influenced by Unions? Also, in an ever changing world, will we even have schools in say 10 years time? Home schooling is on the rise, teacher's are leaving the profession in record numbers due to stress, bullying is still a problem, some children genuinely don't like school and are stressed out by going to school (definitely true with some autistic/high-functioning children) and also children are learning different things at a different pace than they are being taught. I have always said that the school should fit the child and not the other way round. With the rise in AI, I would say that virtual teaching/home teaching may soon become the norm for Primary and Secondary, and this will help a lot of children who are currently failed by the system.

For Tertiary/University, I am aware that there is a funding gap here and that the number of people going to Universities is on the decline. However, are Universities the answer? With apprenticeships and interns on the rise, not to mention the mount of young people starting up their own businesses, perhaps the University model is no longer the best one. Also, when you consider that a lot of them have become 'Safe Spaces' for permanently offended people, who would want to go to University these days? Universities are either going to have to wise up and broaden their appeal, or they will gradually die off until we only have a handful left (Oxford/Cambridge/St. Andrews etc.)

Regardless of the position statement, there is a perception that Wind Turbines are bothersome by some people and there are many people from Neath to Aberdare (and beyond) whom oppose the new wind farm regardless of what a Government Quango says (and I hardly doubt that they would disagree with their political masters). The third point about sleeplessness and stress - whether perceived or caused by the Wind Farm, ask these people did they have the same issues before they were erected? I think that the answer will be no.

There is definitely growing opposition to Wind Farms on both the left and right of politics - Green Anarchists oppose them (Left) whilst I remember hearing that UKIP and The English Democrats would scrap them if elected to office (Right). Funny how solar seems to have gotten it right whereas wind has got it wrong - the carbon footprint of a row of wind turbines is nearly five times that of a solar farm, yet we are all supposed to be green and eco.

Still, if it pays...
 
That's fine, Ncurd, you don't have to convince me and I don't need to convince you.

Live and let live, move on.
 
Down with immigrants, Down with unions, down with the NHS, down with renewable energy

It's all gone very daily mail in here
 
Ho hum...

So if we even question the problem of immigration and its impact on the UK infrastructure, whether Unions are doing a good job in education, the future of the NHS and its sustainability against Private Health suppliers such as the ones mentioned and the carbon footprint and visual impact of Wind Energy it is out of the Daily Mail and must be stomped upon?

Do you ever wonder why people continue to vote against people like you, Olyy, and why your failure to tackle issues such as those previously mentioned only means that you will stay confined to the Opposition?

Rather than play the Race/Bigot/Offended card, take on what is being debated - it isn't racist to ask if there are too many people in the UK, nor is it offensive to ask if the NHS must be protected at all costs even when it is haemorrhaging its funds from tax payers.

Crying that the issues are too 'Daily Mail' do not give you a free pass and it's not some 'cree' or safe space - why do you think that certain people have become disenfranchised with liberal politics and are now voting against the bigots on the left whom believe that only their way of life is acceptable and/or sacrosanct? By belittling and browbeating them (not to mention using threatening and insulting language) you lose the argument. Not everybody wants that way of life.

People have a voice and will use it, even when what they want goes against what you want or I want.
 
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