A Political Thread pt. 2

[McTallshort]

Went back through election night pre and post and this poster is the only one with a shred of understanding of the US and our current political climate.

The rest of the posts ranged from ignorant drivel to inflammatory shrieking. Outside of the most left leaning 20% of this country, this board's post history would receive puzzled glances and sympathetic pats on the shoulder from Americans.

And based on the private messages from fellow Americans on here, it seems like a small collection of posters dominates the conversation.

Ok. At the start of our conversation I was genuinely interested into why so many Americans thought voting for Trump was such a good idea. I don't live in America but I'm unfortunately in a position where it's election does effect me. During our conversation you came across very arrogant and very ignorant just some examples which I have taken from various quotes and added together:

"Don't care he's a criminal my kids will be richer than yours" Possibly true but your kids are also more likely to be shot, go bankrupt due to medical problems, become homeless, go to prison, worse work life balance, have much larger student debt and now because of who you have running your nations health more likely to catch measles.

"we are sick of helping you Europeans with defence sort your own **** out" America is the only nation to have ever triggered article 5 and for 20 years all NATO nations plus Ukraine deployed to Afghanistan and many also deployed to Iraq. Many former colleagues of mine included. You are sick of helping us out? Fine but next time someone fly's a plane into one of your building ask the ******* Russians for help.

"I want Greenland" like it's a shiny bike in a toy shop.

"Canada is just bluster and we find it quite funny" yeah this 51st state rubbish plus these trade tariffs are causing the Canadians a great deal of distress and it's an open threat to their sovereignty but as long as you're having a giggle hey?

"Your leaders are rubbish and you have no money" coming from a nation that continually complains about living standards and just voted in a someone who @General Melchett describes above and before him a senile old man.

You seem annoyed with some people's attitude towards your new president and our apparent ignorance and that's fair enough but you seem to completely disinterested in our perspective so don't expect a friendly discord.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I agree with this. Though in the teachers defence, the exams are and always have been a terrible way to grade someone's ability. Have you see some of questions from past papers? It's like they're written by aliens trying to impersonate a human.

Also I realised with taking professional exams that the key to passing them is the need to practice (exam technique) and also not everyone is exam orientated and works to the same time allocated.

Also the way we work is different. For years CTA candidates had to turn up to traditional exam halls with their legislation books (and there were up to 7/8 bricks of books.) I broke a trolley case because they were so heavy . Then Covid hit and CIOT allowed candidates to do the exams from home on computers.

Since candidates have returned to exam centres but do the exams on computers and refer to legislation on screens instead. Much more reflective of actual working life in tax.

 

[ncurd]

I agree with this. Though in the teachers defence, the exams are and always have been a terrible way to grade someone's ability. Have you see some of questions from past papers? It's like they're written by aliens trying to impersonate a human.

Tell that to Michael Gove who switched out education system back to being almost purely exam based. Idiot.

I looked at the GCSE for computer programming syllabus (I forget what they called it) as my niece is making her choices this year. I nearly had a brain aneurysm at how poor it was at teaching people real technique. Now kids these days are lucky unless you went to a specific school in my day pick it up until A-Level. But that those A-Levels were way better at teaching a fundamental grounding.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Ok. At the start of our conversation I was genuinely interested into why so many Americans thought voting for Trump was such a good idea. I don't live in America but I'm unfortunately in a position where it's election does effect me. During our conversation you came across very arrogant and very ignorant just some examples which I have taken from various quotes and added together:

"Don't care he's a criminal my kids will be richer than yours" Possibly true but your kids are also more likely to be shot, go bankrupt due to medical problems, become homeless, go to prison, worse work life balance, have much larger student debt and now because of who you have running your nations health more likely to catch measles.

"we are sick of helping you Europeans with defence sort your own **** out" America is the only nation to have ever triggered article 5 and for 20 years all NATO nations plus Ukraine deployed to Afghanistan and many also deployed to Iraq. Many former colleagues of mine included. You are sick of helping us out? Fine but next time someone fly's a plane into one of your building ask the ******* Russians for help.

"I want Greenland" like it's a shiny bike in a toy shop.

"Canada is just bluster and we find it quite funny" yeah this 51st state rubbish plus these trade tariffs are causing the Canadians a great deal of distress and it's an open threat to their sovereignty but as long as you're having a giggle hey?

"Your leaders are rubbish and you have no money" coming from a nation that continually complains about living standards and just voted in a someone who @General Melchett describes above and before him a senile old man.

You seem annoyed with some people's attitude towards your new president and our apparent ignorance and that's fair enough but you seem to completely disinterested in our perspective so don't expect a friendly discord.

Not to mention sacking 400 FAA staff, plus the entire Aviation Security Advisory Committee days before a spate of plane crashes, and then blaming said crashes on diversity

 

[ncurd]

.I also agree with him when he says that job vacancies should be filled based on merit but that doesn't mean that more effort shouldn't be made to ensure better/more equal opportunities for those groups of people who currently suffer.

My limited understanding at least in the UK is most DEI initiatives (I hate using term it appears to come from the right wing). Are about one making sure a diverse range of people are interviewed studies have show multiple times white men are more likely to be interviewed than any other group despite having near identical CVs. Secondly if at the interview stage candidates have shown similar aptitude to create a more diverse workforce. In general studies have shown a more diverse workforce creates a better working environment with higher productivity.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Went back through election night pre and post and this poster is the only one with a shred of understanding of the US and our current political climate.

The rest of the posts ranged from ignorant drivel to inflammatory shrieking. Outside of the most left leaning 20% of this country, this board's post history would receive puzzled glances and sympathetic pats on the shoulder from Americans.

And based on the private messages from fellow Americans on here, it seems like a small collection of posters dominates the conversation.

Jesus Christ the lack of introspection from you is astonishing. You've come out swinging, making ridiculously ignorant and arrogant claims and now you cry about others.

You are just like Trump with his tariffs. He instigates them, others respond in kind and then he cries about it.

The most common themes you've been asked to justify are about Trumps criminal behaviour and lack of morals. I'd say since when has morality and decency been a left wing thing but it seems many in the far right have completely abandoned this.

I can say with absolute certainty, if a political leader I supported was acting like Trump, no matter how much many of our views aligned, I would not continue to support them. I believe that those who represent me should also represent the sort of traits I look for in a good human as well as politically being aligned. It would seem you don't.

 

[ncurd]

Query: who are these other American posters who aren't anti Trump? Because I think it's only Sour Patch Kid who's clearly a right wing troll. Everyone else has been quite vocal previously about

And this thread skews heavilly English/Irish viewpoints because that's the majority of the posters here. Only 1 in 4 Britons (sorry to exclude Irish) hold a favourable opinion of Trump and 60% unfavourable. And this forum does skew European Center/Center-Left which have an increasing negative view on Trump. (Surprisingly these stats on Trump are all time high for him in favourability although I do wonder if the last 6 weeks have been factored in).

This kind of saying, what do you expect?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Jesus Christ the lack of introspection from you is astonishing. You've come out swinging, making ridiculously ignorant and arrogant claims and now you cry about others.

You are just like Trump with his tariffs. He instigates them, others respond in kind and then he cries about it.

The most common themes you've been asked to justify are about Trumps criminal behaviour and lack of morals. I'd say since when has morality and decency been a left wing thing but it seems many in the far right have completely abandoned this.

I can say with absolute certainty, if a political leader I supported was acting like Trump, no matter how much many of our views aligned, I would not continue to support them. I believe that those who represent me should also represent the sort of traits I look for in a good human as well as politically being aligned. It would seem you don't.

Back in the good old days, as much as I despised your average republican, at least you could be sure they actually cared about the constitution and, you know, America and its people. Trump couldn't give 2 fucks about the constitution which is why he has called for it to be suspended and generally acted like an authoritarian despot.

 

[ncurd]

Back in the good old days, as much as I despised your average republican, at least you could be sure they actually cared about the constitution and, you know, America and its people. Trump couldn't give 2 fucks about the constitution which is why he has called for it to be suspended and generally acted like an authoritarian despot.

It use to be Republicans were the big constitution proponents, like they worshiped like a religious text. They were always pretty right wing and authoritarian but its scary from the tea party roots how much they've removed themselves from the rule of law.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It use to be Republicans were the big constitution proponents, like they worshiped like a religious text. They were always pretty right wing and authoritarian but its scary from the tea party roots how much they've removed themselves from the rule of law.

They scream blue murder when a private entity moderates their content as an infringement on the first amendment, but then cheer from the rooftops when the government on their side bans books, kicks news organisations out of the press pool, fires staff for not agreeing to speak in favour of criminal behaviour and now is launching prosecutions against people for what they said and who they represented in court...

It's the crass hypocrisy more than anything else and the far right I really despise, they don't believe anything they claim to think is important because, as soon as it's convenient, they drop those so called principles.

 

[Which Tyler]

Outside of the most left leaning 20% of this country, this board's post history would receive puzzled glances and sympathetic pats on the shoulder from Americans.

Welcome to the world of not-America, you must be new here.
FTR, the same kinda works the other way around. Outside of the most right-leaning 20% of Europe, the American centre-right receives puzzled glances and sympathetic pats on the shoulder from Europeans.

 

[McTallshort]

They scream blue murder when a private entity moderates their content as an infringement on the first amendment, but then cheer from the rooftops when the government on their side bans books, kicks news organisations out of the press pool, fires staff for not agreeing to speak in favour of criminal behaviour and now is launching prosecutions against people for what they said and who they represented in court...

It's the crass hypocrisy more than anything else and the far right I really despise, they don't believe anything they claim to think is important because, as soon as it's convenient, they drop those so called principles.

Yeah but their kids are going to be rich

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Yeah but their kids are going to be rich

Which is weird cause my money has been losing money since trump came into office.

 

[McTallshort]

Which is weird cause my money has been losing money since trump came into office.

Shhhh stop being a leftist

 

[General Melchett]

Which is weird cause my money has been losing money since trump came into office.

The cost of eggs have come down under the new administration. What else do you need?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

The cost of eggs have come down under the new administration. What else do you need?

is that something people are saying? Cause last time I walked by eggs in the supermarket there were no eggs cause of the bird flu?

Average Price: Eggs, Grade A, Large (Cost per Dozen) in U.S. City Average

Large white, Grade A chicken eggs, sold in a carton of a dozen. Includes organic, non-organic, cage free, free range, and traditional."

fred.stlouisfed.org

Also looking forward to housing prices going down, I'll be one of the few helped by that.

 

[ChicagoKid]

You seem annoyed with some people's attitude towards your new president and our apparent ignorance and that's fair enough but you seem to completely disinterested in our perspective so don't expect a friendly discord.

When your perspective is devoid of critical pieces of context on the ground, of course I'm disinterested. It's an alternative reality. It's like watching a documentary about Wales and everyone telling you how great Margaret Thatcher was and how much they miss her.

What's truly amusing to me is there is plenty of interesting analysis coming from the UK. The Financial Times have had multiple articles and videos doing a fantastic job taking a look at America and our culture. I haven't seen them linked once.

The BBC, Guardian, ITV, Daily Mail, Economist are worthless. I saw this guy James O'Brien linked. If you are consuming this man's content, you are actively getting dumber about America.

His post-election analysis was so vapid and ill-informed, I couldn't believe it has a true following in your country.

Start reading the FT, stop listening to O'Brien.

 

[ChicagoKid]

is that something people are saying? Cause last time I walked by eggs in the supermarket there were no eggs cause of the bird flu?

Average Price: Eggs, Grade A, Large (Cost per Dozen) in U.S. City Average

Large white, Grade A chicken eggs, sold in a carton of a dozen. Includes organic, non-organic, cage free, free range, and traditional."

fred.stlouisfed.org

Also looking forward to housing prices going down, I'll be one of the few helped by that.

Housing prices won't be coming down. I don't know who told you that. Outside of super heated markets like coastal Florida, they will continue to rise.

 

[General Melchett]

is that something people are saying? Cause last time I walked by eggs in the supermarket there were no eggs cause of the bird flu?

Average Price: Eggs, Grade A, Large (Cost per Dozen) in U.S. City Average

Large white, Grade A chicken eggs, sold in a carton of a dozen. Includes organic, non-organic, cage free, free range, and traditional."

fred.stlouisfed.org

Also looking forward to housing prices going down, I'll be one of the few helped by that.

Donald has said it in front of the cameras at least twice in the last few days. He also said that the plummeting stock market is Biden's fault.

 

[ChicagoKid]

I would spend less time worrying about us and start focusing on you. By nearly every relevant measure, you guys are in a bad spot. And trust me, America is not coming to save you again. Those days are long past.

So you handle you, and we will handle ours. You know, stones and glass houses.

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/uk-economic-growth-may-lag-expectations-in-2025

UK economy shrinks in January with GDP down 0.1%

Surprise fall in GDP was driven by a slowdown in manufacturing and construction

www.thetimes.com