A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Immigration was the #1 issue. The most effective ad targeting Kamala was her extreme stance on transgender surgeries and that minuscule population.

No.

Maybe. Definitely for the hardcore, or even just normal MAGA cultist (if there is such a thing) but for the traditional conservative, shall we say, I think economy would win out over immigration but I could be wrong.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Agree r.e Hunter Biden. Does it not speak volumes that JB issues precautionary pardons to people who weren't even under investigation/accused of anything, just because of the fear of politically motivated retaliatory investigations?

If you believe that propaganda, I cannot help you. Wherever you are getting your information is fundamentally broken.

Mark Zuckerberg publicly came out saying the FBI and Biden's wanted him to bury the laptop story and any connections of the Biden's to Ukraine. If you don't want to believe him fine. But your perspective is nowhere close to the reality on the ground.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Do you see Americans opining about Keir or the UK in general. No.

Yes, massively

 

[ChicagoKid]

Yes, massively

If you asked 100 Americans who the PM of the UK is, I'd bet maybe 1 or 2 would know the answer.

The UK is not discussed here. Your country is irrelevant to our news media and conversations about general culture. I live in the 3rd largest city in America and interact with more Irish-nationals than UK.

If you don't believe me, come visit. Go ask people about the UK. You will hear a mix of the Crown, the Queen, Princess D, Megan gossip, and stereotypes about bad teeth.

I'll gladly meet you and show you around.

 

[Welsh Exile]

If you asked 100 Americans who the PM of the UK is, I'd bet maybe 1 or 2 would know the answer.

The UK is not discussed here. Your country is irrelevant to our news media and conversations about general culture. I live in the 3rd largest city in America and interact with more Irish-nationals than UK.

If you don't believe me, come visit. Go ask people about the UK. You will hear a mix of the Crown, the Queen, Princess D, Megan gossip, and stereotypes about bad teeth.

I'll gladly meet you and show you around.

How does it feel to live in the bluest of blue states in Illinois or are there a lot of Trump fans in Chicago? My sister is moving there in a few months.

 

[ChicagoKid]

How does it feel to live in the bluest of blue states in Illinois or are there a lot of Trump fans in Chicago? My sister is moving there in a few months.

Illinois is not the bluest of blue. We are a strong Union state, so you have a lot of blue-collar Dems. We also have a significant black population and they tend to vote socially conservative/fiscally liberal.

East Coast and West Coast liberals are radically different than Illinois Dems.

PM me. I can answer any questions your sister might have.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

If you believe that propaganda, I cannot help you. Wherever you are getting your information is fundamentally broken.

Mark Zuckerberg publicly came out saying the FBI and Biden's wanted him to bury the laptop story and any connections of the Biden's to Ukraine. If you don't want to believe him fine. But your perspective is nowhere close to the reality on the ground.

I was referring to Anthony Fauci, General Mark Millar, Liz Cheney et al

 

[ncurd]

How does it feel to live in the bluest of blue states in Illinois or are there a lot of Trump fans in Chicago? My sister is moving there in a few months.

It's interesting a quick Wikipedia check tells me Illinois is definitely one of the states where Trumps increased margin was clearly by Democrats not turning up rather than people switching.

That's pretty normal in safe seats (less so in marginals where you know you have to vote or you'll end up with other guy) in a loosing elections which can lead to upsets.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think not being able to differentiate Europeans from the American far left having claimed any prosperity here since WW2 is a direct result of American charity kind of sums this up.

I would like to understand Trump supporters more (I get why he's in, Kamala was an awful candidate and the Dems have really ****** up every opportunity following Obama's departure) but it's difficult with such aggressive debating. From the oustide looking in I think the aggression is an issue with American politics currently and something Trump and his team have harnessed excellently really.

 

[AlRums]

I'm genuinely asking the same question about y'all. Trump ran 3x. Each time his vote share grew.

From 2020 to 2024, over 90% of counties shifted to the right.

What do you attribute you that to? Obama and Biden voters voted for Trump in 2024.

Did they somehow get propagandized after a decade +?

Can anyone on this board offer a logical, coherent argument for this? Because all I see is orange man bad and Americans are dumb.

Strumpet won 1 out of 3 in the popular vote, him winning 1/3 isn't much to crow about.

 

[Yulia]

I would like to understand Trump supporters more (I get why he's in, Kamala was an awful candidate and the Dems have really ****** up every opportunity following Obama's departure) but it's difficult with such aggressive debating.

Aggressive here are only those posters from "the opposite side", not ChicagoKid though

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Aggressive here are only those posters from "the opposite side", not ChicagoKid though

Have another read through, there wasn't one positive thing said about Europe or the UK. It was *** for tat.

 

[AlRums]

Aggressive here are only those posters from "the opposite side", not ChicagoKid though

Beg to differ

 

[ncurd]

Kamala was an awful candidate and the Dems have really ****** up every opportunity following Obama's departure

Kamala more awful than Trump? On any measure? It doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Its about burning the world down as, the system doesn't work and the Dems represent the staus quo which is perverse for left wing politics certainly if you describe them as far left. Trump isn't providing any answer that would work but he is providing an alternative. The parallels with Brexit are clear my life is **** and if I can blow something up I perceive to be the enemy I feel better but eventually reality hits but it definitely requires not having knowledge about how the world works when it comes to globalisation of economics, immigration etc.

Have another read through, there wasn't one positive thing said about Europe or the UK. It was *** for tat.

I'd say some people (not me) were asking Kid questions in good faith. Dunno if the the answers were.

 

[Yulia]

Have another read through, there wasn't one positive thing said about Europe or the UK. It was *** for tat.

Beg to differ

Ok ok, it was my personal impression, maybe a wrong one.
Didn't hear before such expressions as "*** for tat" and "beg to differ".. nice to learn new expressions

 

[AlRums]

Donald Trump suffers triple blow in courts

A judge has denounced Trump's bending of federal law as a "gimmick"

www.newsweek.com

 

[AlRums]

Ok ok, it was my personal impression, maybe a wrong one.
Didn't hear before such expressions as "*** for tat" and "beg to differ".. nice to learn new expressions

You're welcome for the expression lesson, not being sarcastic.

Nice to see someone, who English isn't their first language, acknowledge a further understanding.

 

[Saintjay]

I think not being able to differentiate Europeans from the American far left having claimed any prosperity here since WW2 is a direct result of American charity kind of sums this up.

I would like to understand Trump supporters more (I get why he's in, Kamala was an awful candidate and the Dems have really ****** up every opportunity following Obama's departure) but it's difficult with such aggressive debating. From the oustide looking in I think the aggression is an issue with American politics currently and something Trump and his team have harnessed excellently really.

Definitely agree, being in a bubble doesn't help. I get why people voted Trump and Brexit. Simply branding them thick and racist doesn't help maybe some are but quite alot aren't. Not all of them want to see the world burn. You need to address the issues that made them vote that way

Quite a few people will vote simply on what they think is best for them, there family and friends. Selfish or not that's reality.

The Dems are now in-fighting over the fact they went to 'woke'. Trumps approval rating was sitting about 44% double the Dems on 22%. Things must be bad for the Dems if he is still a better option.

 

[ncurd]

Definitely agree, being in a bubble doesn't help. I get why people voted Trump and Brexit. Simply branding them thick and racist doesn't help maybe some are but quite alot aren't. Not all of them want to see the world burn. You need to address the issues that made them vote that way

World burn maybe led to the wrong impression. The system is broken and I'm being given an opportunity to break it is what I meant.

You absolutely do need to tackle why the system is broken for them. And somehow explain how to fix complex systems simply.

It's like you second point people had their reasons a voted thinking breaking ties with the EU would benefit them. Yet 9 years since the vote and 5 since we actually left nobody can actually point to a single benefit. Even those who supposedly think we did it wrong say we are "utilising the advantages of Brexit" without actually pointing to a single policy.

 

[AlRums]

US arms sales suffer setback after Ukraine weapons pause

Portugal and other European countries are beginning to question the U.S.' reliability as a defense ally despite its dominant role in global arms sales.

www.newsweek.com

A bit more expansion on a previous post.