A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

In UK its amazing how this has u turned.





I do worry how quickly they are bringing this in and sweeping wording like stops them doing constituency duties. Especially for people like Dr. Allin-Khan.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

In UK its amazing how this has u turned.





I do worry how quickly they are bringing this in and sweeping wording like stops them doing constituency duties. Especially for people like Dr. Allin-Khan.

Yh this is dumb all round.

Will attract a lower quality of MP, even if they may be more morally invested, it doesn't necessarily mean they are better at their jobs.

A massive overcorrection for being behind in the polls for the first meaningful time

 

[ncurd]

Yh this is dumb all round.

Will attract a lower quality of MP, even if they may be more morally invested, it doesn't necessarily mean they are better at their jobs.

A massive overcorrection for being behind in the polls for the first meaningful time

Dunno about lower quality of MP some of these second jobs are ridiculous and clearly bribes ornl influence. What it will do is reduce people who practice stuff its actually useful for MPs to have working knowledge of. Dr.s, Barristers and the like it also helps they have awareness of what is currently going on.

Say what you like about Starmer but his history before being an MP is a boon to the commons not a hiderence.

What we don't want is trying attract career politicians you do need people who have worked in the world outside politics. This isn't also to preclude people who have just studied PPE just I'd like to see some other work.

Any politician should of done hard yards on Local and County Councils in their constituency first before being selected to be an MP.

 

[Reiser99]

You said you didn't know the exact details so was just trying to be constructive - "across state lines" sounds like a hell of a lot further than it is when you live on a state border so it's an important distinction imo.

See this is where we disagree. It's not an important distinction because he travelled to somewhere he didn't live with a semi-automatic rifle. For me that means he's gone there looking for trouble.

Tbf the testimony gives him an obvious reason to be there - even if it is really **** parenting imo

* Around 10 p.m. video shows Rittenhouse with a rifle standing with other armed men near a used-car dealership. Rittenhouse testified he was asked to help guard the business due to the threat of looting and arson. He brought a medical kit and says his objective was to provide aid to anyone injured.

* Around 10:45 p.m., another video shows Rittenhouse asking police officers for water. One officer says: "We appreciate you guys. We really do."


From Reuters fyi if people want to have a read - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ho...eaning-graffiti-shooting-3-people-2021-11-11/

They said that they hadn't asked them too but that they were there guarding it. They've got a picture with them and everything - that whole thing is kinda odd because it's specific and defo happened but it's not clear (as far as I'm aware) who actually organised it

I also find this ridiculous. I'll accept that people have the right to defend their property with guns in the US. I may not agree, but I accept that is their culture. However, Rittenhouse had no business there, he wasn't personally involved, he had no legal authority. While others personally may have been defending their property, he and the others like him who just turned up were looking for trouble and an excuse.

The police saying thank you is just another example of institutional racism. Again if black people had turned up with semi automatics at the Trump riots, you can be sure the police wouldn't have offered them water and thanks. Maybe a bullet, but definitely not water.

Tbh I'm starting to not even care about the legalities or technicalities about whether he is guilty or not. Simple fact is that he was only in the situation in the first place because he was white and it was a black protest. If he was black then he would have been arrested or more probably shot. It's another perfect example of how institutionally racist America is. If you care more about whether he is personally found guilty and less about what is says about America then that's worrying because it is just another symptom of a far bigger and far more terrible issue.

 

[Reiser99]

Dunno about lower quality of MP some of these second jobs are ridiculous and clearly bribes ornl influence. What it will do is reduce people who practice stuff its actually useful for MPs to have working knowledge of. Dr.s, Barristers and the like it also helps they have awareness of what is currently going on.

Say what you like about Starmer but his history before being an MP is a boon to the commons not a hiderence.

What we don't want is trying attract career politicians you do need people who have worked in the world outside politics. This isn't also to preclude people who have just studied PPE just I'd like to see some other work.

Any politician should of done hard yards on Local and County Councils in their constituency first before being selected to be an MP.

What are the rules for say if an MP owns a company? I'm curious because for me, banning working or consulting for any kind of commercial company would do it. Those are the jobs I think are wrong. Any job which basically amounts to lobbying. As you say being a doctor or barrister is different. Hell, tbh I don't mind Geoffrey Cox consulting as a lawyer, just as long as he's doing it in his own time and not in his office. The fact that he was in an online meeting and then got up to vote on something is atrocious though. If you're going to vote on something you should be there for the debate. That's a good example of interfering with their role as an MP. However, what if an MP owns a company. Clearly then they are biased, but they aren't technically being hired I guess. I'm trying to think of grey areas.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yh this is dumb all round.

Will attract a lower quality of MP, even if they may be more morally invested, it doesn't necessarily mean they are better at their jobs.

A massive overcorrection for being behind in the polls for the first meaningful time

Are the current crop of MPs exactly high quality? There are many who are the model of incompetence.

What is seriously lacking is MPs and ministers from more STEM backgrounds, many from non-politics backgrounds were from the media or other areas where facts based approach to work is not the way of operating.

 

[Reiser99]

Are the current crop of MPs exactly high quality? There are many who are the model of incompetence.

What is seriously lacking is MPs and ministers from more STEM backgrounds, many from non-politics backgrounds were from the media or other areas where facts based approach to work is not the way of operating.

Also agree on this. Many MPs are not good quality and are in it as career politicians and look to develop contacts for post MP life. Honestly if people think the standard of politician is high in this country then it's worrying. I've said before, just because you're not the worst doesn't mean your good. Slightly less **** than the worst is still ****.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

They said that they hadn't asked them too but that they were there guarding it. They've got a picture with them and everything - that whole thing is kinda odd because it's specific and defo happened but it's not clear (as far as I'm aware) who actually organised it

Yeah I reckon they probably did ask but now deny it because of how sue happy everyone is in America - you admit you asked an armed militia to guard your store and then an unarmed guy ends up dead in your parking lot and it's going to open them up to lawsuits out the wazoo

 

[ncurd]

I think the speaker has had enough of Johnson

 

[ncurd]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Capitol riot: 'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley sentenced to 41 months in prison

Jacob Chansley became one of the most recognisable figures from the 6 January siege on the Capitol.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

MPs are paid £81k. At that point it's not need, it's greed.

 

[The Seeker]

Capitol riot: 'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley sentenced to 41 months in prison

Jacob Chansley became one of the most recognisable figures from the 6 January siege on the Capitol.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's a federal crime, so the idiot will do most/if not all of his sentence which is good. Had it been a state crime he'd probably be released in 1/2 to 3/4 time depending on the state and their overcrowding problems.

 

[The Seeker]

 

[The Seeker]

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's literally every day atm

 

[ncurd]

This is why you need to think things through, I'm not surprised this government is spectacularly failing they have done at everything else they've done I'm just surprised its gained actual traction.

 

[Welsh Exile]

You can make a decent argument that MPs should be paid a lot more than 81k pa or whatever it is. Not saying I agree with doubling or tripling their wages as I'm torn on it but it's a tricky one.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

You can make a decent argument that MPs should be paid a lot more than 81k pa or whatever it is. Not saying I agree with doubling or tripling their wages as I'm torn on it but it's a tricky one.

The 81k is slightly misleading anyway, their actual total value for the work they do easily pushes 6 figures due to additional perks and expenses. Someone elsewhere compared it to a GP salary and said MPs should get even more, ignoring many GPs work under as much stress if not more than MPs, need to go to Uni, train from junior, prove their competence and can have serious consequences for gross incompetence. They have few perks or assistants.

MPs just have to win a popularity contest at worst. At best they simply have to turn up with the correct badge. They have a whole civil service their to enact their wills (or obstruct if Yes Minister is anything to go by). Their biggest worry is about brown nosing to the PM and ministers. They can be extraordinarily incompetent and still maintain positions of great power. If the job was as difficult as they claim to justify the extra money then they shouldn't have time to do this stuff on the side. I think the very fact they are able to fit in plenty of stuff on the side on top of being an MP clearly indicates it is not as difficult or time consuming as they claim it is. Any claim they need more money to simply live is laughable tbh. Yeah MP isn't as high paying as some other things but it shouldn't be either. There is also no evidence that paying them even more does anything to lessen corruption. So of the most corrupt people are also insanely wealthy even without their corruption.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The 81k is slightly misleading anyway, their actual total value for the work they do easily pushes 6 figures due to additional perks and expenses. Someone elsewhere compared it to a GP salary and said MPs should get even more, ignoring many GPs work under as much stress if not more than MPs, need to go to Uni, train from junior, prove their competence and can have serious consequences for gross incompetence. They have few perks or assistants.

MPs just have to win a popularity contest at worst. At best they simply have to turn up with the correct badge. They have a whole civil service their to enact their wills (or obstruct if Yes Minister is anything to go by). Their biggest worry is about brown nosing to the PM and ministers. They can be extraordinarily incompetent and still maintain positions of great power. If the job was as difficult as they claim to justify the extra money then they shouldn't have time to do this stuff on the side. I think the very fact they are able to fit in plenty of stuff on the side on top of being an MP clearly indicates it is not as difficult or time consuming as they claim it is. Any claim they need more money to simply live is laughable tbh. Yeah MP isn't as high paying as some other things but it shouldn't be either. There is also no evidence that paying them even more does anything to lessen corruption. So of the most corrupt people are also insanely wealthy even without their corruption.

Yeah you make good points and I'd have to say I agree with what you say. I just hate a lot of these wealthy Tories who are wealthy purely because they inherited their wealth which means they can go into jobs where normally they wouldn't consider due to the wages but are more than happy to because they're all minted anyway.

It comes back to private schools for me too. I'm a radical and would ban them tomorrow but a good start would be to just ban Eton and say, right, no more PMs from this school please. Lol.