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A Political Thread pt. 2

Yeah good job he's dead eh
Don't think anyone has said that, though, have they?
I won't mourn a racist, but I do feel for his family as losing a loved one is hard even if you are the gentry.

I don't see why the general public has to be shamed into publicly mourning him though.
 
Condolences to his family etc., but by all accounts he was a vile old racist - I won't be shedding a tear
Crass (unacceptably at times), of his time and cocooned from real life by immense privilege unquestionably. Not a description of someone I'd want to have a beer with.

But also a huge source of stability to the Queen and served this country for many years by supporting her, undertaking thousands of his own engagements, and his naval service. Also must have been a massive personal strain having to give up his career to walk behind the Queen decades earlier than would have been expected, especially in an era when men ruled the roost. Big on youth, self reliance and fitness which are all ticks from me.

Divisive figure for sure, but overall in credit in my book.
 
He was a 99 year old man of extreme privilege.
He did a lot of good, he did a lot of bad. Probably overall in credit.

I don't really care one way or another that he's died; and feel that anyone crowing over his death is a bit crass (I've not spotted any crowing here though); whilst anyone (beyond his family and friends) mourning it at least as much so; the sycophantic praise is a bit sickening already.

The only crowing over his death I've seen are reactions to people bemoaning the crowing that didn't exist beforehand.
Anyone going and laying flowers / gathering at the gates etc etc during a pandemic are bloody idiots, and need to be handled the same way as any other gatherings are at the moment (see the vigil for Sarah Everard)
 
and need to be handled the same way as any other gatherings are at the moment (see the vigil for Sarah Everard)
Sorry this is a weird sense of humour kicking in more than anything else. I was having a chat about how they'd get over limits of attendee's to funeral but we'd forgotten the "working royal" loophole that produced.
 
Anyone going and laying flowers / gathering at the gates etc etc during a pandemic are bloody idiots, and need to be handled the same way as any other gatherings are at the moment (see the vigil for Sarah Everard)
Now that was a complicated situation that really didn't look good. No-one can argue with the message. But in all the aftermath not one of them acknowledged that if they'd obeyed the law it wouldn't have happened. What were the Police supposed to do, what message would doing nothing have sent to others?
 
Now that was a complicated situation that really didn't look good. No-one can argue with the message. But in all the aftermath not one of them acknowledged that if they'd obeyed the law it wouldn't have happened. What were the Police supposed to do, what message would doing nothing have sent to others?
On that matter it was actually quite simple, the MET were given ample opportunity to work with the oragnisers to hold a safe and peaceful demonstration (and were told they could be a court of law). Instead they chose not to, ruling it an illegal gathering instead. So yeah if I was an organiser I wouldn't admit that because what they did would of been within the law if the MET had chosen to work with them.

So yup entirely of the MET's making in more ways than one.
 
That surgery a month or two back was well worth taxpayers money.
He would've been private wouldn't he? It's why they live so long. I imagine they have some of the best round clock private health care in the world.

I'd agree with you if he was using NHS. To be honest I'm not really a fan of privatised healthcare anyway just as I'm not a fan of private schools. Would do away with both.
 
He would've been private wouldn't he? It's why they live so long. I imagine they have some of the best round clock private health care in the world.

I'd agree with you if he was using NHS. To be honest I'm not really a fan of privatised healthcare anyway just as I'm not a fan of private schools. Would do away with both.
disagree on private health insurance. Probably saved me having to have chemo when I got diagnosed with cancer 20 months ago. Got seen to and had surgery within a week. On NHS would have taken longer and possibly spread.

Private/independent schools should have charitable status taken away from them and I think make them pay VAT.
 
He would've been private wouldn't he? It's why they live so long. I imagine they have some of the best round clock private health care in the world.

I'd agree with you if he was using NHS. To be honest I'm not really a fan of privatised healthcare anyway just as I'm not a fan of private schools. Would do away with both.
I'm fairly certain they use the NHS infrastructure at the very least, for instance I know all the kids details are held at Great Ormond Street and it is the first port of call if they are sick enough to into hospital.

Whether they pay any money back into it or pay for private insurance that covers those costs to the NHS (unlikely) I honestly don't know.



I'm not against private health insurance either (I don't have it) or private schools (barring as noted the tax breaks) you'll never remove that stuff in any form of capitalism. How you go about regulating it so profits moderate can funneled back in governments systems like NHS and education is the important bit.
 
disagree on private health insurance. Probably saved me having to have chemo when I got diagnosed with cancer 20 months ago. Got seen to and had surgery within a week. On NHS would have taken longer and possibly spread.

Private/independent schools should have charitable status taken away from them and I think make them pay VAT.
Sorry to hear that mate. Glad you got the surgery you required obviously. I was speaking more in terms of my general utopia type vision in that ideally everyone would have available the best healthcare. Obviously don't have any problem with people utilising the current system if that's what best for them and I would be no different if I had the means. Just as I don't have a problem with people sending their kids to private school it's more that I find it sad that we have a tier system when it comes to education and health. My initial comment was a bit crass though and apologies of any offence caused.
 
Gonna keep it simple.

Condolences to another family on the death of a loved one. However, he means nothing to me and his death for me is like all the others that have happened over the past year that don't affect me at all. It's a shame, but nothing more than that.
 
Sorry to hear that mate. Glad you got the surgery you required obviously. I was speaking more in terms of my general utopia type vision in that ideally everyone would have available the best healthcare. Obviously don't have any problem with people utilising the current system if that's what best for them and I would be no different if I had the means. Just as I don't have a problem with people sending their kids to private school it's more that I find it sad that we have a tier system when it comes to education and health. My initial comment was a bit crass though and apologies of any offence caused.
No worries. No offence taken. NHS is truly wonderful. Would hate to have the American health care system. But private health does play a role and does plug in the gaps. Got my health insurance from work, and was lucky as I only got it the year before I got diagnosed. Basically when GP found the tumour, he immediately said do i have private insurance and thankfully I did and sent me to the consultant. Luckily caught it at stage 1 and got operated on very quickly, but that's it with cancer it really is about speed and time. Found out afterwards that had my op been under NHS it probably would have taken another month to get an operation.

Private and independent schools - using charitable status is taking the **** though IMO, when they are blatantly trading and charging substantial fees in the name of "education."
 
Sorry to hear that mate. Glad you got the surgery you required obviously. I was speaking more in terms of my general utopia type vision in that ideally everyone would have available the best healthcare. Obviously don't have any problem with people utilising the current system if that's what best for them and I would be no different if I had the means. Just as I don't have a problem with people sending their kids to private school it's more that I find it sad that we have a tier system when it comes to education and health. My initial comment was a bit crass though and apologies of any offence caused.
I've been lucky enough to have had private healthcare throughout my career. For more minor stuff, speed and 'customer experience' it wins hands down, but my experience has always been that the NHS pulls out the stops when it comes to bigger stuff. Has many faults, but rightly the envy of many other countries.

When I had a shoulder op privately I was given a dinner menu and wine list while still unable to move my entire upper body. For the first and last time in my life I turned down the booze. They also gave me a 90 minute video of the op taken by one of the keyhole instruments - pretty weird seeing the interior of your own body.

Private education is something that I've increasingly grown to disagree with over time.
 
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He wasn't all bad, impeccable taste here.

RIP, doubt he did that much harm nor was he particularly impressive given he was born with the most silver of spoons.
 
I know you have to like it, cos it's written into your constitution or something, but Guinness is just 'ok' really isn't it?
 

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