A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Labour have done an impressive job ******* off both Jewish and Arab voters.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think most people would understand if he criticised Israel. Peddling conspiracy theories was more the issue here. Can he be trusted to be fair and reasonable whilst spouting something which clearly wasn't.

I remember the same said (and still said) after 9/11. It's pretty standard conspiracy 101 stuff. The thing about this one, while not inherently anti semitic, I bet if you traced the origin of the conspiracy back to its source it would have anti semitic roots. Look at those conniving, sneaky Jews kind of thing. The undertones are there. Probably accompanied by an article about how Jews run the planet and Queen Elizabeth was a reptile.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I remember the same said (and still said) after 9/11. It's pretty standard conspiracy 101 stuff. The thing about this one, while not inherently anti semitic, I bet if you traced the origin of the conspiracy back to its source it would have anti semitic roots. Look at those conniving, sneaky Jews kind of thing. The undertones are there. Probably accompanied by an article about how Jews run the planet and Queen Elizabeth was a reptile.

Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous, everyone knows the royals are amphibians.

 

[McTallshort]

I remember the same said (and still said) after 9/11. It's pretty standard conspiracy 101 stuff. The thing about this one, while not inherently anti semitic, I bet if you traced the origin of the conspiracy back to its source it would have anti semitic roots. Look at those conniving, sneaky Jews kind of thing. The undertones are there. Probably accompanied by an article about how Jews run the planet and Queen Elizabeth was a reptile.

The biggest conspiracy theory is one that claims all religion is actually a crock of **** and only there to control the masses......which is something I actually believe

 

[Welsh Exile]

The biggest conspiracy theory is one that claims all religion is actually a crock of **** and only there to control the masses......which is something I actually believe

I don't think that's a conspiracy necessarily I agree and disagree I suppose. Religion was and is still used as a tool to control people but at the same time it was also the way we used to make sense of the world.

Relating it specifically to this conflict and I'd be a lot more sympathetic as Hamas is a religious death cult that straps bombs to kids and sends them into battle. They not only do this willingly but their supporters rejoice at this kind of behaviour. It proves religion is still an extremely powerful tool to manipulate and exploit.

 

[Reiser99]

Religion is just politics tinged with God and belief. Still all about rule and laws and obeying those in power.

 

[Saintjay]

Religion is just politics tinged with God and belief. Still all about rule and laws and obeying those in power.

Slightly different rules that some politicians can't stick too. Don't steal, lie, sleep with people you shouldn't, forgiveness, help the less fortunate etc, etc, etc.

 

[Reiser99]

I should clarify my statement, organised religion is just politics. Personal religion for many can be rewarding.

 

[The Seeker]

What happens now that Trump has gone to the Supreme Court in his immunity fight

Donald Trump’s legal team hasn't been secretive about its strategy of trying to slow down his election subversion case for as long as possible.

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[Welsh Exile]

Religion is just politics tinged with God and belief. Still all about rule and laws and obeying those in power.

Mmmmmm, I suppose but I think there's a bit more to it than that. In a lot of cases It's a lot more genuine than politics as faith isn't faith for say fundamentalists but fact. Martyrdom, paradise etc. etc these are all things fundamentalists are certain of which can be used, as I said earlier, to justify the most horrific things and I'm not sure that politics can be used in the same way, certainly not in the West anyway.

Abolishing religion wouldn't eradicate all these issues but the presence of religion in conflicts like we see in Isreal makes things so much worse than they would without it.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Religion is there to fill the void in humanity for meaning and purpose. I don't think you can and ever will get rid of it. We're not like animals where their meaning and purpose is just to eat, survive and carry on their lineage.

You mix land, two strongly identifiable groups of people and religion and you have a recipe for what we see Israel and Gaza.

 

[General Melchett]

Religion is there to fill the void in humanity for meaning and purpose. I don't think you can and ever will get rid of it. We're not like animals where their meaning and purpose is just to eat, survive and carry on their lineage.

You mix land, two strongly identifiable groups of people and religion and you have a recipe for what we see Israel and Gaza.

If an attempt to abolish it was ever made it would just go underground. Religion isn't all bad. I have family members who are Christians and go to church every Sunday. Of course there are extremists (in most religions) who abuse it and take things too far to the point where it does real damage but for most moderates it provides a healthy way to socialise, build friendships, relationships not to mention help mental health etc.

A red line for me is trying to force a religion down someone else's throat but if people don't inflict ill on others then I don't see the harm in it. At the end of the day, going to the pub or being a member of a sports club or other social group isn't for everyone.

 

[Saintjay]

If an attempt to abolish it was ever made it would just go underground. Religion isn't all bad. I have family members who are Christians and go to church every Sunday. Of course there are extremists (in most religions) who abuse it and take things too far to the point where it does real damage but for most moderates it provides a healthy way to socialise, build friendships, relationships not to mention help mental health etc.

A red line for me is trying to force a religion down someone else's throat but if people don't inflict ill on others then I don't see the harm in it. At the end of the day, going to the pub or being a member of a sports club or other social group isn't for everyone.

Definitely without getting to deep. It can bring a lot of comfort and peace to people particularly in times of bereavement. People hope friends and family, even pets go to a better place and they will one day as well.

 

[General Melchett]

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[Welsh Exile]

Definitely without getting to deep. It can bring a lot of comfort and peace to people particularly in times of bereavement. People hope friends and family, even pets go to a better place and they will one day as well.

This is my theory (well I'm sure lots of other people have suggested the same) of how it really came about. Other than making sense of the world (which makes total sense thousands of years ago with the absence of science) I think belief in a god/afterlife really helped in dealing with death, specifically infant death which was obviously very common even a few hundred years ago let alone pre civilisation. Losing a child is the most horrific thing I can think of and it must be comforting to people to know that there's a reason and that they are happy and safe in whatever afterlife.

Not useful if you're concerned with truth and want to reduce falsehoods or delision but I guess the other potential/probable reality is too hard to accept for a lot of people

 

[Saintjay]

Going down well in todays scottish press. Not good when Labour could do with some scottish seats.

 

[Saintjay]

Not a great few days for Labour. Reports also coming out about internal complaints regarding Sue Gray made by Labour staff. Labour tearing itself apart over Israel.

 

[Gavin]

Not a great few days for Labour. Reports also coming out about internal complaints regarding Sue Gray made by Labour staff. Labour tearing itself apart over Israel. View attachment 18990

Looking at the suggested comments, I can't see how they are anti-semitic.


What I've seen:

"f**king Israel"
"People fighting for the IDF should be arrested and it's illegal"

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Saintjay]

Looking at the suggested comments, I can't see how they are anti-semitic.


What I've seen:

"f**king Israel"
"People fighting for the IDF should be arrested and it's illegal"

I could be wrong but i think it was in the same meeting as the other guy. If your looking at being a standing MP your choice of language is important. Part of it's a reaction to the pressure Starmer has been put under. Labour at a local level are not towing the party line.