A Political Thread pt. 2

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[Saintjay]

Not sure what will happen here. Labour not popular due to recent comments on tuition fees, and possible congestion charge which has massive opposition . Only Conservatives campaigning against it. Libs a bit all over the place but might nick seats off Labour. Still predict a Labour coucil as Conservatives haven't had a look in since early 90's.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[ncurd]

Still predict a Labour coucil as Conservatives haven't had a look in since early 90's.

It would be shocking it present climate is the Tories win any council and -ve seat gain.

The party in power always does badly and this set of Tories have some of the worst opinion poll ratings that a party on power has had.

There will be the odd upset in terms of local wards bucking the national trend but they'll be exceptions rather than rules.

Their only real hope is to not get catastrophic results.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It would be shocking it present climate is the Tories win any council and -ve seat gain.

The party in power always does badly and this set of Tories have some of the worst opinion poll ratings that a party on power has had.

There will be the odd upset in terms of local wards bucking the national trend but they'll be exceptions rather than rules.

Their only real hope is to not get catastrophic results.

Like last time when the Torygraph estimated them losing x number of seats would be catastrophic, somehow thinking they wouldn't. They then lost even more than that and Torygraph was then tying themselves in knots over how it wasn't a disaster and the Express front page story was about seats the Tories won, ignoring the fact they actually got torn to shreds.

 

[Saintjay]

It would be shocking it present climate is the Tories win any council and -ve seat gain.

The party in power always does badly and this set of Tories have some of the worst opinion poll ratings that a party on power has had.

There will be the odd upset in terms of local wards bucking the national trend but they'll be exceptions rather than rules.

Their only real hope is to not get catastrophic results.

Agreed, at a local level Labour here have made a few mistakes but nothing so catastrophic that people go insane and vote Tory.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

There was one dog at our polling station. But at just six and a half months our delinquent is too young to vote.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Love it, Conservatives lost control of my borough. But no one party has overall control and my area is staunch Tory.

Edit:
Just checked my ward and all 3 Conservative councillors lost and replaced by Lib Dems. If reflected across rest of country that is a proper tonking for the Tories.

 

[Reiser99]

Seems like Tories are losing control or just hanging, but Labour aren't necessarily getting control. Still a good night for labour though.

 

[ncurd]

Seems like Tories are losing control or just hanging, but Labour aren't necessarily getting control. Still a good night for labour though.

Only 25% of wards have reported don't couny chickens just yet. People said the same last year and turned out to be a walloping.

 

[Reiser99]

Windor & Maidenhead goes from Con hold to Lib Dem hold. Lib Dems take 13 seats, Con loses 16. Now that's a more worrying result.

Everyone expects Labour to do well again in the north, but the south/south west Conservative strongholds are the real question. If Lib Dems can eat into those then Conservatives really will be toast next election.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Is there a website to easily view results?
I tried my local council but it's laid out terribly and I can't find anything

 

[Reiser99]

Is there a website to easily view results?
I tried my local council but it's laid out terribly and I can't find anything

BBC has this

Local election results 2023 in England

Get the latest news and election results in the 2023 Local elections from BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[TRF_Olyy]

BBC has this

Local election results 2023 in England

Get the latest news and election results in the 2023 Local elections from BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk

Exactly what I was looking for, cheers

We've not declared yet

 

[Which Tyler]

Is there a website to easily view results?
I tried my local council but it's laid out terribly and I can't find anything

BBC and Guardian (and presumably the other mainstream nationals) do searchable totals, often with "key areas" at the top.

Otherwise the CountyLive websites tend to be pretty hot for the local area.

Just up the road from me, the Tory leader for the Cotswolds lost his seat: https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cotswolds-tory-leader-loses-seat-8414179.
Counting for Tewkesbury starts at 9.00 IIRC.

 

[Reiser99]

I think one narrative coming out so far is that while it's a very bad night for Conservatives, in terms of votes there are no huge gains for Labour and Lib Dems and so might be more Tory voters not voting than actually switching.

 

[Which Tyler]

Doesn't the loser always say that sort of thing?

 

[Reiser99]

True, more based on John Curtice saying that Labour haven't really increased on their vote share since 2022 and Lib Dems only by a point, so if they're gaining seats but not votes then either former Tory voters have spread their votes out or not voted. Guess a clearer indication will be voter turnout comparisons.

 

[Saintjay]

True, more based on John Curtice saying that Labour haven't really increased on their vote share since 2022 and Lib Dems only by a point, so if they're gaining seats but not votes then either former Tory voters have spread their votes out or not voted. Guess a clearer indication will be voter turnout comparisons.

I think labour are hoping of taking potential seats off the SNP in Scotland. Aiming for 19-20 seats from the 1 they have currently. Scotland could be the king maker. Especially with the current issue with the SNP it's more than possible.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-65147839?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6454c6a778b1a04df275bd13%26Sunak%20urged%20to%20cut%20taxes%20and%20%27go%20for%20growth%27%262023-05-05T09%3A04%3A39.827Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:94a914fd-d1cb-482f-930f-e722b65d6e1e&pinned_post_asset_id=6454c6a778b1a04df275bd13&pinned_post_type=share

So Tory response to poor results is to go back to the only PM to be criminally charged whilst in office, who did more to damage to integrity of our politics than any PM in recent history and bring back Trussenomics... They seriously think the way to fix the Tory party is to bring together all the worst elements that have resulted in their decline? Shows how utterly insane some of them are.

As for Labour / Lib Dems not increasing their vote share, Tories very rarely change party as they are the only right wing party (reform UK is sucking up some of the right wing vote now but not enough to make them viable). When they do switch, they tend to go Lib Dem anyway. Also I notice they are comparing it to the last local elections, in which the Tories were hit hard. Not getting a huge vote share increase over one of the most resounding local election thumpings in recent history is shall we say an interesting spin on it. They could be on course to 2 massive local election defeats back to back, probably at a level unprecedented by a government in a single term and somehow some are still trying to twist it as not that great for the opposition. It's bizarre.