A Political Thread pt. 2

[Leonormous Boozer]

The loyalists / unionists in Northern Ireland will be fuming.

I don't know how I feel about that, I reckon Charles is a nationalist though so sound.

 

[Reiser99]

Coronation: Public invited to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

www.bbc.com

So if I (or others) don't join in with swearing allegiance will I/they be arrested as a traitor by the police?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Was gonna post that. F off am I gonna swear allegiance.

 

[ncurd]

Coronation: Public invited to swear allegiance to King Charles

The pledge is among several changes to the service, which will incorporate female clergy and other faiths.

www.bbc.com

So if I (or others) don't join in with swearing allegiance will I/they be arrested as a traitor by the police?

This one really ****** me off I'm at a set of farm cottages with 20ish friends that weekend. All with very differing views on the monarchy but how do you do with peer pressure?

My wife is hard-core royalist and in the comfort of her own home would probably do it.

Myself who leans republican ficking hates the idea and would definitely not do it.

But in a public setting where friend are judging a personal decision its just sickening. On something that I'd very definitely always going to be a marmite decision.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I don't know how I feel about that, I reckon Charles is a nationalist though so sound.

QE2, King George VI, King George V, Edward VIII, Queen Victoria will all be rolling around in their graves at the thought that.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

This one really ****** me off I'm at a set of farm cottages with 20ish friends that weekend. All with very differing views on the monarchy but how do you do with peer pressure?

My wife is hard-core royalist and in the comfort of her own home would probably do it.

Myself who leans republican ficking hates the idea and would definitely not do it.

But in a public setting where friend are judging a personal decision its just sickening. On something that I'd very definitely always going to be a marmite decision.

Depends how comfortable you are with each other to voice your opinions amongst your friends. Maybe get a bit rowdy if you have all had a few?

 

[Reiser99]

This one really ****** me off I'm at a set of farm cottages with 20ish friends that weekend. All with very differing views on the monarchy but how do you do with peer pressure?

My wife is hard-core royalist and in the comfort of her own home would probably do it.

Myself who leans republican ficking hates the idea and would definitely not do it.

But in a public setting where friend are judging a personal decision its just sickening. On something that I'd very definitely always going to be a marmite decision.

Tbh for me the easiest way would be people who want to watch it and say the oath can watch it and then agree on one cottage to host it. If everyone's going to watch it then maybe those who don't want to say it leave.

Definitely need to discuss it earlier rather than later because you don't want a heated argument on the day.

 

[Reiser99]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-65432296?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=644e2242588b295993d19bd4%26A%20fair%20and%20reasonable%20pay%20offer%20has%20been%20made%20-%20transport%20secretary%262023-04-30T08%3A11%3A25.182Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:c998aba3-432e-4fe1-ad39-3ac6241a39fc&pinned_post_asset_id=644e2242588b295993d19bd4&pinned_post_type=share

Apparently rail unions are cynically targeting events like FA cup and Eurovision.

Honestly, it's getting tiring listening to the Tories pretend that strikes shouldn't be disruptive. That's the whole ******* point and the more disruption the more attention and bargaining power you get. I know they change the law, but it's pathetic how they keep trying to minimise people's right to protest against their incompetence.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Me when I'm asked to pledge allegiance to a family of inbreds, racists and nonces:

 

[BrokenWing]

Me when I'm asked to pledge allegiance to a family of inbreds, racists and nonces:

You think they've considered moving the franchise to America? Probably more of a follower base out there.

Actually, maybe that's what Harry's been doing… sort of like the NFL playing the odd game in London.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

You think they've considered moving the franchise to America? Probably more of a follower base out there.

They tried it with Trump and he's trying to go back for seconds.

 

[General Melchett]

Me when I'm asked to pledge allegiance to a family of inbreds, racists and nonces:

That would actually be a good response to the haka come to think of it.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Nurses' strike: 28-hour strike over pay under way

It will be the largest industrial action by nurses so far and risks patients' safety, NHS bosses say.

www.bbc.co.uk

So ends midnight on Tuesday. Otherwise midnight Monday would make it only a 4 hour strike.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

This one really ****** me off I'm at a set of farm cottages with 20ish friends that weekend. All with very differing views on the monarchy but how do you do with peer pressure?

My wife is hard-core royalist and in the comfort of her own home would probably do it.

Myself who leans republican ficking hates the idea and would definitely not do it.

But in a public setting where friend are judging a personal decision its just sickening. On something that I'd very definitely always going to be a marmite decision.

I think the pledge is a mistake, but if the people you're going with are real friends they should respect your and your wife's viewpoints without any issue. If your wife wants to say it out loud and is intimidated into keeping quiet that's a real shame. As it would be if you felt compelled to do it because everyone else was.

In some respects it's a shame the whole thing has been slimmed down because we do these things bloody well. But in the current economic climate that has to be the right thing.

Re the anti royal sentiment, obviously there's a lot of strong feeling. All I can do is speak from my own experience - I used to be supremely indifferent but my views have mellowed as I've got older, which I know goes for many other people.

As for protestors, protest away but don't spoil the day for others just because you happen to disagree with them. That's common courtesy - there's a time and a place for everything.

 

[ncurd]

I think the pledge is a mistake, but if the people you're going with are real friends they should respect your and your wife's viewpoints without any issue. If your wife wants to say it out loud and is intimidated into keeping quiet that's a real shame. As it would be if you felt compelled to do it because everyone else was.

It's an odd thing it's a writing weekend with a group we know (planned before the Queen died). Some of the people there are real close friends others are part of that circle but we are not so close with. 1 person if they turn up I flat out don't like.

So yeah our close friends will be cool with her others possibly less so.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think the pledge is a mistake, but if the people you're going with are real friends they should respect your and your wife's viewpoints without any issue. If your wife wants to say it out loud and is intimidated into keeping quiet that's a real shame. As it would be if you felt compelled to do it because everyone else was.

In some respects it's a shame the whole thing has been slimmed down because we do these things bloody well. But in the current economic climate that has to be the right thing.

Re the anti royal sentiment, obviously there's a lot of strong feeling. All I can do is speak from my own experience - I used to be supremely indifferent but my views have mellowed as I've got older, which I know goes for many other people.

As for protestors, protest away but don't spoil the day for others just because you happen to disagree with them. That's common courtesy - there's a time and a place for everything.

Care to elaborate on the difference between supremely indifferent and how you feel now? genuine question.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

As for protestors, protest away but don't spoil the day for others just because you happen to disagree with them. That's common courtesy - there's a time and a place for everything.

Yes, but there are different types of protests. Holding up a piece of paper with "Not my King" should be allowed IMO. That isn't going to spoil anyone's day. Writing "F the monarchy" well now I think they are crossing the line and going to stir or possibly incite violence and then the police can step in. Then there's egg throwing.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yes, but there are different types of protests. Holding up a piece of paper with "Not my King" should be allowed IMO. That isn't going to spoil anyone's day. Writing "F the monarchy" well now I think they are crossing the line and going to stir or possibly incite violence and then the police can step in. Then there's egg throwing.

Ban eggs!

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yes, but there are different types of protests. Holding up a piece of paper with "Not my King" should be allowed IMO. That isn't going to spoil anyone's day. Writing "F the monarchy" well now I think they are crossing the line and going to stir or possibly incite violence and then the police can step in. Then there's egg throwing.

You think the police should be able to step in just for a sign that says F the monarchy. I'd hardly say that's inciting violence. A slippery slope if you ask me

 

[Bada-Bing!]

You think the police should be able to step in just for a sign that says F the monarchy. I'd hardly say that's inciting violence. A slippery slope if you ask me

We'll see at the Coronation. I am sure there'll be one or two. I think legally that would be "disturbing the peace" IIRC and police can step in. Yes, it's Moral call as well.