A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Yeah Democrats tend to be more One Nation Tories, Biden is still pretty progressive compared to them though you'll never get a One Nation Tory to agree to student debt relief.

Plenty of racism on the left in any country.

 

[ncurd]

And definitely un this country there's no One Nation Toties left they got expunged by Johnson.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Don't agree with that anymore.
Think most young democrats are more or at least just as progressive as their European counterparts, it's just the older generation

Yeah there's probably some truth in that, and to what @die_mole said about our Tories becoming more right wing. However, when Biden is the "left wing" American option I think that says it all really.

It's in built in their DNA. Pull yourself up by your boot straps, American dream, minimal state, no safety net. It's the polar opposite to what their left wing European counter parts believe in fact it's positively Tory. Yeah, you've got a few younger Dems like AOC and others but their considered extreme in America. Socialist even, which is laughable.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

And definitely un this country there's no One Nation Toties left they got expunged by Johnson.

Rockefeller republicans were killed off on a nationwide level in the 70s and really only exist in liberal strongholds right now. They were basically just classist democrats and they have become the right wing of the Democratic Party today.

I don't mind Biden. I was disappointed with his nomination but retrospectively the fact that he beat trump in the EC was needed. Being anti-fascist is the most important thing right now and defeating the waves of these assholes should be priority number one.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I mean currently Biden is definitely not presenting himself as a Tory or anything close. He's been a prominent politician since the 70s and comes from a background that would naturally be socially conservative but has shown to be progressive by US standards, especially in the past 15 years.

If you judge his entire career as a whole, he's right wing by European standards, that's a given. Currently however he's far more centrist, and considering the UK are determined to prove De Gaulle correct becoming more insular and right wing with each passing year, and that the Tories were ******* vile in the 70s and 80s, I really really don't see any argument for him resonating with them at all.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Very painful to watch but very funny since you know tories BUT when you put this with the pretty disrespectful no look handshake he did with the South Korean president. It's a pretty bad light potentially.

granted you look throughout the years He's done plenty iffy still

Somehow still better than the alternative

#shouldhavebeenbernie

Both Pres candidates will likely be awful for the UK which is frustrating.

If Biden didn't have a weird 1/10025 Irish blood thing going on it would be easier.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

If Biden didn't have a weird 1/10025 Irish blood thing going on it would be easier.

That sort of attitude is blaming a British problem on Biden and Ireland. Ireland is a country that embraces our emigrant history, which makes sense considering it's a very prominent part of it. Biden embraces his Irish heritage like millions of Americans. The reason for that is that Irish people didn't want to leave and held on to their culture as best they could abroad. All of this was perpetrated by the UK.

The US, since Kennedy, has embraced it's Irish connection massively'. Its not going away, especially not with the democrats. And yet, this week in British media has been a throwback to the last century with the blatant Irish discrimination - "Plastic Paddy", "he hates the UK because he thinks he's Irish", "Ireland are whoring themselves out to the yanks" and **** like the following that would be a ******* international incident if it was any other culture they were attacking:



Biden is tee-total, it's not remotely clever...

Britain is an anti-immigrant, insular basket case right now, with a total lack of respect and disregard for their closest neighbors and zero understanding of our history and motivations that they had a pretty massive role in. If you're in a position that a Democratic candidate is as bad an ally for you than a sliver spoon fascist on an ego trip, it's time to look inward.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I think Biden and Cameron would've been great buds tbh.
But then again I think Cameron was really the last of the more center right Tories, and his pandering to the further right obviously caused us down this **** hole.

IDK I'm still salty over the top brass in the dem party backing anyone but Bernie despite the fact IMO he would've stopped trump at the first hurdle.
I also envy the young progressive political talent that America has coming up, seems far more passionate than the career leftists coming up here.

That being said Biden is filling a good role in keeping the UK right in check ATM, especially over international matters.
If Biden was throwing shade at the UK inner politics yeh I could understand the faux outrage from the right.
But the GFA isn't just another dumbass domestic policy it has major consequences, and deserves to be pressured by other governments.

Let's be real Obama would've done the same
Trump prob wouldn't but only because he would be wanting to pick the pieces of the UK corpse.

Granted what's Stramers stance on Ireland?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

That sort of attitude is blaming a British problem on Biden and Ireland. Ireland is a country that embraces our emigrant history, which makes sense considering it's a very prominent part of it. Biden embraces his Irish heritage like millions of Americans. The reason for that is that Irish people didn't want to leave and held on to their culture as best they could abroad. All of this was perpetrated by the UK.

The US, since Kennedy, has embraced it's Irish connection massively'. Its not going away, especially not with the democrats. And yet, this week in British media has been a throwback to the last century with the blatant Irish discrimination - "Plastic Paddy", "he hates the UK because he thinks he's Irish", "Ireland are whoring themselves out to the yanks" and **** like the following that would be a ******* international incident if it was any other culture they were attacking:

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Biden is tee-total, it's not remotely clever...

Britain is an anti-immigrant, insular basket case right now, with a total lack of respect and disregard for their closest neighbors and zero understanding of our history and motivations that they had a pretty massive role in. If you're in a position that a Democratic candidate is as bad an ally for you than a sliver spoon fascist on an ego trip, it's time to look inward.

Ironic given that was the Brexit policy and them backing on trump to be in power still lol

 

[ncurd]

Granted what's Stramers stance on Ireland?

Actual stance unknown like many things he's very much in what he think he can politically rather than what he really thinks. I think we have a very similar situation to Biden and might surprise us with how progressive his party is when in power.

He is backing Sunak's deal but reality is whilst we maintain Brexit without SM and CU its best thing we are likely to get. And I don't see SM and CU membership being on the table for at least decade in British politics.

 

[ncurd]

But hey I voted Green in local elections today so who knows what will happen. (I had two votes and it was either 2 Tories or 2 Greens no other candidates)

 

[Bada-Bing!]

IDK I'm still salty over the top brass in the dem party backing anyone but Bernie despite the fact IMO he would've stopped trump at the first hurdle.

How did you get to that? And stopping Trump at the first hurdle? Presumably you are referring to 2016 instead of Hilary. Even if they backed Bernie in 2016 he was never going to win over the swing vote seats required. He's seen as far too left wing and socialist, although by European standards he is not.

Like Corbyn he is a good protestor, but would never win the centre ground in American politics to actually win the Presidency.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Two major issues with Bernie:
1. He's Jewish and antisemitism is still massive.
2. The messaging against him was very effective (which could be an establishment dem problem) and people are mathematically illiterate. Unless you were in the top .5% of income earners you'd have more disposable income under Bernie but people just listened to the hot takes.

 

[Gavin]

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Rightwing US pundit Candace Owens compares Australian government to the Taliban, calling it a ‘tyrannical police state’

The high-profile conservative commentator quips: ‘When do we deploy troops to Australia?’

www.theguardian.com

Honestly, the far right in the USA are utterly insane.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

How did you get to that? And stopping Trump at the first hurdle? Presumably you are referring to 2016 instead of Hilary. Even if they backed Bernie in 2016 he was never going to win over the swing vote seats required. He's seen as far too left wing and socialist, although by European standards he is not.

Like Corbyn he is a good protestor, but would never win the centre ground in American politics to actually win the Presidency.

Disagree Bernie was liked in the majority of the Northern white lower class male voters.
Michigan for example historically Blue, Trump was the first republican to win the state since 1988
Wisconsin another example Bernie hammered Hilary in the primaries, Hilary lost to trump by a marginal amount.

Hilary was viewed as and she was out of touch. She represented everything people are fed up with about politics which is career political families.
Trump managed to rile up the anger towards this with ease.
Bernie also riles up the anger towards it but in the opposite way.
Both Trump and Bernie had a message of the establishment isn't working, Clinton was it is working but could be better which is a weak argument.
Bernie never had private emails that needed to be investigated.
Bernie is someone who couldn't painted as a corrupt

Hence why i'm extremely convinced that Trump would've lost the flip states but maybe Ohio. Because years of campaigning he would've run out of material against Sanders.

Corbyn problem is
1. He lacks charisma
2. He has never connected to the working man despite being for them,

 

[ncurd]

Corbyn problem is
1. He lacks charisma
2. He has never connected to the working man despite being for them,

3. Shocking foreign policy.
4. Had the habit of cosying up with terrorists.
5. Wouldn't deal with racism accusations within his party.
6. Supported Brexit when it could be stopped pathetically argued for remain in the referendum.

I mean he was better than Johnson and May but he had a pretty long list of reasons people didn't like him.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Disagree Bernie was liked in the majority of the Northern white lower class male voters.
Michigan for example historically Blue, Trump was the first republican to win the state since 1988
Wisconsin another example Bernie hammered Hilary in the primaries, Hilary lost to trump by a marginal amount.

Hilary was viewed as and she was out of touch. She represented everything people are fed up with about politics which is career political families.
Trump managed to rile up the anger towards this with ease.
Bernie also riles up the anger towards it but in the opposite way.
Both Trump and Bernie had a message of the establishment isn't working, Clinton was it is working but could be better which is a weak argument.
Bernie never had private emails that needed to be investigated.
Bernie is someone who couldn't painted as a corrupt

Sadly that still doesn't mean he could win the Presidency, especially without backing from his own party, who didn't think he could. All that subsequently happened to Hilary couldn't be foretold by the Democrats and happened subsequently.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Bernie is not likely to ever be nominated again. We have two given their age who shouldn't be going for 2024 and don't need a 3rd of that age and had a heart attack in the last primaries.

 

[ncurd]

Sadly that still doesn't mean he could win the Presidency, especially without backing from his own party, who didn't think he could. All that subsequently happened to Hilary couldn't be foretold by the Democrats and happened subsequently.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Bernie is not likely to ever be nominated again. We have two given their age who shouldn't be going for 2024 and don't need a 3rd of that age and had a heart attack in the last primaries.

Even he emails thing was an excuse not to vote for her rather than a legitimate reason. The other candidate was on tape bragging about committing sexual assault!

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Poll reveals voters negative about Labour and Tory attack ads

Posters attacking Rishi Sunak on crime made Britons feel less favourable about both main parties, Opinium finds

www.theguardian.com