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A Political Thread pt. 2

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TRF_Olyy said:
Didn't Fox successfully argue, in court, that Carlson was an an entertainer not a news reader so his constant lies are justifiable as no one is expected to believe them?
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Yep except right now they are being sued by capitol police for the riot and their misinformation surrounding it. You'd think they would keep their mouths shut. Also the information used in the segment was the information Kevin McCarthy released exclusively to them after Republicans took control of various committees. Republicans and Fox are scum and in lockstep together. Fox is also being sued currently for essentially being just a propaganda arm of the Republican party and acting outside the legal bounds of a news outlet during the last election. None of this has got them to behave themselves.
 
Not Mike Brown's Sock said:
I've made this point before, but there's nowhere else to go.

Same attitude here as with my stance on the EU in 2016 - better to try and fix from within rather than walk away, no matter how futile it is.
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TBH I see no way the Tories fix anything from within without being consigned to the wilderness for at least a few years. They have become too arrogant and are taking the populace for fools (tbh I always thought that but the extent of it now is ridiculous). Because of the nature of the parties in this country, which you indicate right here, they can assume they don't have to do anything and will get the entire right wing vote by default. The left wing parties need to compete with each other as well as the Tories.

Despite being left wing, I think this country needs another right wing party, preferably a moderate one rather than a crazies one but, then again, there may be some benefit to all the crazies going to 1 place. The Tories should not be in a position where they can simply assume a large chunk of the vote due to no alternative on the same end of the spectrum.
 
I still think the Tories will win or it’ll be a hung parliament.

On the one hand I do think a lot of this is ideologically driven but on the other hand I don’t think these Tories stand for anything other than retaining power and they’ll be happy change policy at the drop of a hat to do that. With that in mind, think about how many focus groups they’ve done where the feedback has been “yeah get these bloody forrins out of my country” and the Tories are like, hey, this will actually play well with a lot off people.

Obviously I hope I’m wrong, and I am often especially about politics, but I have little faith in the public and even less in our political system in general.
 
Personally of opinion you can't support the current Tories with you vote, I'd even argue membership is bloody difficult sell. Until they decide to remove this rot you are complicit in those policies with your support. They have to be shown the door and nothing the other parties are offering is as heinous no matter what your politics.

Its clear they see as what they can do after Brexit as they can't argue the economy after they made it circle the drain and then blew it up. The inherent Xenophobia in this country makes me ******* sick though and something I thought we were past just over a decade ago.

Honestly think they are dead in the water something us youngsters are less privvy to is people at pension age lost 10's of thousands in their pots that isn't going to recover.
 
Welsh Exile said:
they’ll be happy change policy at the drop of a hat to do that. With that in mind, think about how many focus groups they’ve done where the feedback has been “yeah get these bloody forrins out of my country” and the Tories are like, hey, this will actually play well with a lot off people.
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The thing is, and this won't renew your faith in politics either, is that this is exactly what Starmer's Labour have done, with Brexit especially.

PMQs today consisted of Starmer and Lab not actually taking a line of "what the **** is this", but of "you won't be able to deliver it", which is interesting.

Government by focus group is just so frustrating, especially when both parties behaviour seems to be the same - the difference between Con and Lab at this point is mostly Comms it seems, not policy.

The tories have a big majority still, and are going to lose the next election regardless. Stop playing to the focus groups and trying to save the poll numbers and just do the proper disraelian, one nation, things that the party is supposed to care about.
 
The Daily Heil is our equivalent of Fox News and this is the equivalent of Trump’s Caravans of migrants coming. Just say Billions when the world’s population is approximately 8 and just scare the bejesus out of the middle England readership to get them reading more but it is just not possible and doesn’t even make any sense. And She makes no attempt to try and justify it. 😡
 


Sunak getting batted around at PMQs again. It really is embarrassing how much the Tories are floundering trying to defend their failures and simply asserting things as true only to be shown it's a load of nonsense. Personally it feels like you can see Starmer getting frustrated at the bare faced lying and completely shamelessness now. Even if you think there is no viable alternative to the Tories and would usually vote right wing, I really think you have to either abstain, spoil your ballot or got for one of the tiny right wing parties, this lot simply cannot stay in charge. They are destroying the country.
 
Not Mike Brown's Sock said:
The thing is, and this won't renew your faith in politics either, is that this is exactly what Starmer's Labour have done, with Brexit especially.

PMQs today consisted of Starmer and Lab not actually taking a line of "what the **** is this", but of "you won't be able to deliver it", which is interesting.

Government by focus group is just so frustrating, especially when both parties behaviour seems to be the same - the difference between Con and Lab at this point is mostly Comms it seems, not policy.

The tories have a big majority still, and are going to lose the next election regardless. Stop playing to the focus groups and trying to save the poll numbers and just do the proper disraelian, one nation, things that the party is supposed to care about.
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But this is why we need a complete overhaul of our democratic system. We now have 2 main parties whose focus is on not being as bad as the other party. They know most people now vote for the party they hate the least rather than for who they want. Politics in this country is childish with the focus being on name calling (in a political roundabout way), constantly blaming each other, misquoting figures (Suella Braverman should be forced to make a public correction for suggesting billions want to come to the UK.) There are no adult, sensible conversations on anything. While a proportional system or, my personal preference, an alternative vote system may not lead to as many majorities it would force parties to compromise more and focus on winning people's votes rather than constantly criticising the opposition.
 
Reiser99 said:
While a proportional system or, my personal preference, an alternative vote system may not lead to as many majorities it would force parties to compromise more and focus on winning people's votes rather than constantly criticising the opposition.
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Holyrood suggests otherwise.

It's hard to isolate it from the rest of UK politics, but AMS hasn't led to that result at all.
 
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