2nd Test: South Africa v Lions

[Thingimubob]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

To all these welsh lads slating ROG...
Can I just remind you of a certain Stephen Jones missing 2 easy kicks last week, 6 points down the drain and we lost by FIVE!!![/b]

Easy? One was I agree, the other one was not. And fi you wanna play that game, didn;t O'Gara miss kicks against the Emerging Springboks?
O'Gara proved today he can't tackle and makes quite a lot of stupid decisions. Stephen Jones is a far better Fly Half.

 

[MunsterMan]

What disappointment, a game we really should have won, weren't ruthless enough in the first half and took the foot of the pedal in the second.

If ROG has been playing fly half when the tackle was missed then fair enough, but it looked like he playing OC/wing, our incredibly poor bench, particularly the backs was one of the factors that cost us the game. I would have gone for Williams, Hook and Earls. Clumsy for the penalty though, I know this will sound weird, but he should have taken his eyes off the ball just for a second, so he would have known he had to jump instead of letting it fall into his hands.

If only Roberts, O'Driscoll Jenkins and Jones had stayed on

Burger shouldn't play for SA until November at the very least, absolutely ridiculous that he wasn't shown a red card. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYONDg4J_E

Shaw would have been our best player if it wasn't for the penalties, so it goes the JesusKearney.


What a game :bravo:

 

[feicarsinn]

Never a truer word spoken, I don't see why any Irishmen are rushing out to defend him, we all know that he cost us heavily but I ain't here to blame. Morne Steyn is absolute class, without a doubt, brilliant debut and geez, what a cool head! Stephen Jones was top drawer as was Kearney. Backrow functioned well, back 3 solid same for the centres. Tight 5 was much improved from last week until the props went off. SA for the tri-nations just for the fact that they can close a game out like no one else.

 

[IsMiseJoe]

Im not trying to stirr something up here...
I want to make the point that because one player makes a crucial mistake it doesnt mean he should get the blame for the defeat..
We all can point out mistakes made by EVERY player that played in both tests...
Shaw gave two stupid penalties away today if we analyze every second of the game you will find fault in all the players.. NO player is 100% perfect!!
ROG happen to make the biggest error, but it easily could have been Jones, Croft, POC or a scot if they picked any

Vickery/Monye were the scapegoats last week unfairly in my opinion... It will be ROG this week...

Maybe we should look at how the Boks played in the 2nd half, they played 10 times better than us in the 2nd half and 3 try's to 1 shows they deserved it more... Sadly!!
Well played Boks!!

 

[Thingimubob]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Im not trying to stirr something up here...
I want to make the point that because one player makes a crucial mistake it doesnt mean he should get the blame for the defeat..
We all can point out mistakes made by EVERY player that played in both tests...
Shaw gave two stupid penalties away today if analyze every second of the game you will find fault in all the players.. NO player is 100% perfect!!
ROG happen to make the biggest error, but it easily could have been Jones, Croft, POC or a scot if they picked any

Vickery/Monye were the scapegoats last week unfairly in my opinion... It will be ROG this week...

Maybe we should look at how the Boks played in the 2nd half, they played 10 times better than us in the 2nd half and 3 try's to 1 shows they deserved it more... Sadly!![/b]

Yupp O'Gara is the scapegoat, but you'd think that a Grandslam-winning Lions player would at least be able to bloody tackle!

 

[MunsterMan]

I feel a bit sorry for ROG as it is, but I will really feel sorry for him when he goes back to Munster for Preseason, finally a moment worthy of taking the place of Northampton 2000

 

[shazbooger]

Really enjoyed that I have to say. A little gutted to be honest but I thought the Lions did pretty well and were (unlike last week) unlucky to lose in the end. Cant say the Boks havent been the better side over the two games though.

As for O'Gara, complete brain fart in the end for the penalty, cant really be excused from someone that experienced. He'll know and say that himself. As for the try, he was part of a defense that was beaten a little too easily all day. Stupid to point the finger at him for that try, it would be like pointing the finger at Wallace or Jones for the first try.

The thing that frustrated me was that the lions didnt really play much rugby in the second half. Where in the first half they held onto the ball and played the game as they usually would at home, in the second half they seemed to spend all day kicking it away. It was a strategic shift which became even more risky when the Lions started to drop off. No doubt the Boks were applying the pressure, but instead of playing their way out of it, they invited it on. They were never going to survive that.

I wouldnt say Genkins and Jones were a huge loss (got to replace em with Sheridan and Jones with uncontested scrums), but losing Roberts and O'Driscoll within 5 minutes of eachother, THAT was where the game was won and lost.

In the same way the loss last week wasnt Vickery's fault, this one wasnt O'Gara's.

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Jun 28 2009, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I wouldnt say Genkins and Jones were a huge loss (got to replace em with Sheridan and Jones with uncontested scrums), but losing Roberts and O'Driscoll within 5 minutes of eachother, THAT was where the game was won and lost.

In the same way the loss last week wasnt Vickery's fault, this one wasnt O'Gara's.[/b]

Disagree - they didn't just lose two props. They lost scrum dominance - the thing that upsets SA's attack and sets up Lions command. Overall, the Lions lost 4 of their original front row choices to injury. Very unlucky.

ROG f***ed up. But Vickery was a complete f*** up.

With BOD and Roberts out SA probably should have won easing up. They didn't, which is a bit worrying for PDV. Credit to him for the two set piece tries, because that shows he'd figured out Lions weakness on defence. And it was good to see SA spread the ball a bit, but up against a shambles of a backline they should have been cutting through in the last fifteen minutes.

Oz look the best balanced side at the moment, so I pick them for the 3N. Sadly, NH rugby still bringing up the rear.

 

[TheBokke]

Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.

Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.

The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.

 

[cyRil]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.

Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.

The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.[/b]

Wut?

 

[TheBokke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Jun 28 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.

Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.

The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.[/b]

Wut?
[/b][/quote]

http://www.keo.co.za/2009/06/27/phillips-l...ck-on-ref-boks/

Check it out. This has been the attitude the whole tour.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Jun 27 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Oz look the best balanced side at the moment, so I pick them for the 3N. Sadly, NH rugby still bringing up the rear.[/b]

I agree that Australia look the best bet for the Tri Nations.

As for your other point, I don't think a Lions series is the best place to judge the rugby playing strength of half the globe. Didn't France beat New Zealand just a couple of weeks ago? Thirteen of the team that started against the Lions nearly lost against Scotland, yes Scotland who've only provided one sub in two tests thus far, 7 or 8 months ago. Fourteen of that side struggled to contain Wales a week earlier. The Springboks (if we're still allowed to call them that!) aren't as good as Sky Sports lead us to believe. When an injury depleted mish-mash of a team who only got together a month ago are only 8 points worse off than the world champions after two tests, it's not a sign of weakness. A cohesive team who know each other inside out (unlike these Lions) shouldn't have too much trouble beating South Africa when the Springboks are away from home.

Ireland play South Africa at the end of November. I confidently predict an Irish victory. If Wales are to play South Africa in the November series, I predict Warren Gatland's team will beat them too.

 

[bristol-iain]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF TRF: AN APOLOGY

During the past week during discussions leading up to the 2nd Test of the series I may have mentioned that I thought Bryan Habana was overrated as a winger.

I was proved wrong in the 63rd minute of said test match and would like to retract my previous statement.

I take this oppurtunity to apologise for my rash statement and to all who may have injured their jaw in the process of it falling open in reaction to it.

 

[g6mcg]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Jun 28 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.

Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.

The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.[/b]

Wut?
[/b][/quote]

http://www.keo.co.za/2009/06/27/phillips-l...ck-on-ref-boks/

Check it out. This has been the attitude the whole tour.
[/b][/quote]

And of course the Boks are always gracious in defeat and have never been known to moan. Congratulations on winning, but really you should be able to destroy a scratch team

 

[cyRil]

It must have been my imagination that they were throwing their toys out of the pram when they were 11 points down then.

 

[TheBokke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Jun 28 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Jun 27 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oz look the best balanced side at the moment, so I pick them for the 3N. Sadly, NH rugby still bringing up the rear.[/b]

I agree that Australia look the best bet for the Tri Nations.

As for your other point, I don't think a Lions series is the best place to judge the rugby playing strength of half the globe. Didn't France beat New Zealand just a couple of weeks ago? Thirteen of the team that started against the Lions nearly lost against Scotland, yes Scotland who've only provided one sub in two tests thus far, 7 or 8 months ago. Fourteen of that side struggled to contain Wales a week earlier. The Springboks (if we're still allowed to call them that!) aren't as good as Sky Sports lead us to believe. When an injury depleted mish-mash of a team who only got together a month ago are only 8 points worse off than the world champions after two tests, it's not a sign of weakness. A cohesive team who know each other inside out (unlike these Lions) shouldn't have too much trouble beating South Africa when the Springboks are away from home.

Ireland play South Africa at the end of November. I confidently predict an Irish victory. If Wales are to play South Africa in the November series, I predict Warren Gatland's team will beat them too.
[/b][/quote]

Hows the sour grapes tasting this evening? Don't drink to much of it or you will get a bad gut. Snoop win or lose against Wales or Ireland this year it matters not as we are the World Champions. What is your team currently?

 

[TheBokke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (g6mcg @ Jun 28 2009, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Jun 28 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.

Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.

The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.[/b]

Wut?
[/b][/quote]

http://www.keo.co.za/2009/06/27/phillips-l...ck-on-ref-boks/

Check it out. This has been the attitude the whole tour.
[/b][/quote]

And of course the Boks are always gracious in defeat and have never been known to moan. Congratulations on winning, but really you should be able to destroy a scratch team
[/b][/quote]

Wow world beaters one week and scratch team the next. You took the best of 4 strong rugby nations, is this a scratch team? More sour grapes.

 

[bristol-iain]

At the time I blamed O'Gara but, now I don't. Obviously it was silly of him to challenge, why, if he knew he wasn't going to get the ball, didnt he just wait for the guy to catch and land then SMASH him?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

One thing we have learned is that South Africa are an immense side, quality in all areas, not many kickers would have got that kick, not only the distance but the pressure on it.

WELL DONE SA

Oh and was it just me or did Sheridan punch a South African in the gonads?

 

[cyRil]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Jun 28 2009, 07:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Jun 27 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oz look the best balanced side at the moment, so I pick them for the 3N. Sadly, NH rugby still bringing up the rear.[/b]

I agree that Australia look the best bet for the Tri Nations.

As for your other point, I don't think a Lions series is the best place to judge the rugby playing strength of half the globe. Didn't France beat New Zealand just a couple of weeks ago? Thirteen of the team that started against the Lions nearly lost against Scotland, yes Scotland who've only provided one sub in two tests thus far, 7 or 8 months ago. Fourteen of that side struggled to contain Wales a week earlier. The Springboks (if we're still allowed to call them that!) aren't as good as Sky Sports lead us to believe. When an injury depleted mish-mash of a team who only got together a month ago are only 8 points worse off than the world champions after two tests, it's not a sign of weakness. A cohesive team who know each other inside out (unlike these Lions) shouldn't have too much trouble beating South Africa when the Springboks are away from home.

Ireland play South Africa at the end of November. I confidently predict an Irish victory. If Wales are to play South Africa in the November series, I predict Warren Gatland's team will beat them too.
[/b][/quote]

Hows the sour grapes tasting this evening? Don't drink to much of it or you will get a bad gut. Snoop win or lose against Wales or Ireland this year it matters not as we are the World Champions. What is your team currently?
[/b][/quote]
Oh, you're a silly one!

 

[TheBokke]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Jun 28 2009, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

It must have been my imagination that they were throwing their toys out of the pram when they were 11 points down then.[/b]

yeah and the Lions were angels take off the one eyed goggles.