[2025 Six Nations] England vs Scotland - 22/02/25

[spartan32]

Let's ask those who really know.

The best odds on Oddschecker are England at 8/25 and Scotland at 10/3.

How very dare you spoil my subjective ramblings with your silly numbers (which I dont understand anyway , so who's on top?)

 

[AlRums]

Let's ask those who really know.

The best odds on Oddschecker are England at 8/25 and Scotland at 10/3.

You do know those mean nothing, right?

That betting odds are based on the amount of money bet by idiots who think they know better?

The fact that there is more money on England comes from more people in England betting on their home team than Scotland (approx 1/10 of population)

 

[AlRums]

Why is it bizarre for England to be favourites for this game? Scotland have not played well in the past two games. They have injuries so some key players and have arguably a much weaker bench. Also the England team they face tomorrow bares very little resemblance to the one they last faced. They are also playing away from home. In contrast England have looked steadily better each game and seem to be coming into their stride. They turned over France who are currently one of the top teams in the word, and weren't far off Ireland. I am not sure anyone is suggesting that England will romp to victory, but I think its fair to say that when all things are considered England are indeed favourites.

Unless you are suggesting that both teams are perfectly match and its a clean 50/50?

They were favourites for the last seven years.

The same cobblers is posted here every year that England would win, purely because the majority of posters favour England.

It's tiresome but understandable, Luke when a player is criticised for saying "we're going to win" . I wouldn't want a player on the pitch who didn't want to and think he's going to win.

Here's my prediction:

I think the game will be won and lost on the pitch. Specifically at the end when they compare each teams' scores.

 

[mikebrownsauce1512]

Highest scoring half - second half
over 39.5 points
match result will be England
Ollie sleightholme to score a try
Duhan Van der McMerwe to scre a try

£5 to return £75

Cmon England

Any of u lot got any punts going ?

 

[Duct Tape]

McMerwe

Either accidental typo or good pun. Branch of the Campbell clan?

 

[mikebrownsauce1512]

Either accidental typo or good pun. Branch of the Campbell clan?

Wdum accidental typo, if you cut him open you would find bagpipes, haggis and zero six nations trophies

 

[BPM]

Why is it bizarre for England to be favourites for this game? Scotland have not played well in the past two games. They have injuries so some key players and have arguably a much weaker bench. Also the England team they face tomorrow bares very little resemblance to the one they last faced. They are also playing away from home. In contrast England have looked steadily better each game and seem to be coming into their stride. They turned over France who are currently one of the top teams in the word, and weren't far off Ireland. I am not sure anyone is suggesting that England will romp to victory, but I think its fair to say that when all things are considered England are indeed favourites.

Unless you are suggesting that both teams are perfectly match and its a clean 50/50?

I think England have won one game after a horrible run. I'd argue that performances were probably a bit better than some of the losses might suggest, but whichever way you look at it, Scotland have had a better 12mths. Any fear of Twickenham that might have existed is long gone too.

There isn't much to choose between the two starting XVs in terms of ability and experience. Form in the 6 Nations might just about favour England but a medium term view doesn't.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

For Eng:

In the last year we've beaten top 4 sides in Ire and Fra and missed gilt edged chances to down a 3rd in NZ home and away. Sco haven't got that pedigree.

We've been better than them in this 6N.

We're at home. 6N results show that matters.

Against:

We've been Scotland's bunny for the last few years.

IT'S ENGLAND so the game gets raised. Does that really happen to any meaningful extent these days? Some say it does, I remain sceptical in an era when there's such an emphasis on controlling emotions.


I think it will be tight but we should be regarded as favourites. After France, it will be a big disappointment to lose this one.

 

[Reiser99]

Poor use of the word 'reality' when you're talking about 'ifs and buts'. The reality is what actually happened … in other words, we won and France didn't take some of those chances through a mixture of their errors and good defensive pressure.

I think it's fair to say Scotland haven't been brilliant so far, but that can go either way. They're as likely to improve as they are to continue their average form.

I do find it a bit bizarre that we've apparently become favourites for this game after one win. Scotland have consistently had our number recently, so they should be favourites IMO.

A good win would change things considerably though.

No it's not. The reality is that our defence was cut open repeatedly during the first half. If I was talking about how France played in another game and that if they had played like that then sure. However, it is simply poor handling that stopped them scoring and our defence wasn't good enough in the first half. If we keep defending to that standard then we are going to lose. I'm not taking anything away from the performance. England kept going and once they settled they managed to keep pace with France and win. However, our defence is still not good enough if we want to be regularly beating the top 4 and winning the 6Ns or WC.

I'm hopeful that England have tightened up their defence and if they can keep up their attack like they did against France then they have every chance of winning, but the reality is that the defence needs to be better and that's not being negative, it's realistic.

 

[Weldit]

England played decent against France. So, I suspect a ill disciplined lost in this as a result.

 

[BPM]

No it's not. The reality is that our defence was cut open repeatedly during the first half. If I was talking about how France played in another game and that if they had played like that then sure. However, it is simply poor handling that stopped them scoring and our defence wasn't good enough in the first half. If we keep defending to that standard then we are going to lose. I'm not taking anything away from the performance. England kept going and once they settled they managed to keep pace with France and win. However, our defence is still not good enough if we want to be regularly beating the top 4 and winning the 6Ns or WC.

I'm hopeful that England have tightened up their defence and if they can keep up their attack like they did against France then they have every chance of winning, but the reality is that the defence needs to be better and that's not being negative, it's realistic.

Nope. As I saw it, the Dupont chance was the only gilt edged one that was a certain try if he'd taken the pass. I'd probably have backed Penaud to score, because he's usually excellent, but it wasn't a walk in even if he takes it.

I know you fantasise about us being terrible at everything and can't possible give any credit to anyone in a white shirt, but claiming an opinion as a fact is a silly route to go down.

 

[Reiser99]

Nope. As I saw it, the Dupont chance was the only gilt edged one that was a certain try if he'd taken the pass. I'd probably have backed Penaud to score, because he's usually excellent, but it wasn't a walk in even if he takes it.

I know you fantasise about us being terrible at everything and can't possible give any credit to anyone in a white shirt, but claiming an opinion as a fact is a silly route to go down.

Wonderfully accurate as always. Yep, England are ****, Scotland will destroy us. You've summed up my post wonderfully with your expert analysis.

I know you feel that people criticising any aspect of England is boring, but you're getting rather dull yourself by jumping on anyone who tries to have a constructive debate by pointing out that England aren't number 1 in the world and destined to win the next 5 world cups.

 

[BPM]

In the same thread where I just said Scotland are (rightly) favourites and one win doesn't mean we've turned a corner … right …

I do find the relentless negativity annoying and I like to think I take a reasonable, rational middle ground backed up by as much fact as possible. You're welcome to disagree.

 

[Reiser99]

In the same thread where I just said Scotland are (rightly) favourites and one win doesn't mean we've turned a corner … right …

I do find the relentless negativity annoying and I like to think I take a reasonable, rational middle ground backed up by as much fact as possible. You're welcome to disagree.

Well you said I fantasise about England being crap at everything when I praised them for their attack and the way they responded as the game progress, so I thought we were making ridiculous statements that were untrue.

Tbh, I hoped you might have realised your own hypocrisy if I made such a ridiculous exaggeration. Instead, you just doubled down by taking it seriously which is exactly what I thought you'd do, ignoring the fact that you did exactly the same to me. At this point, I don't think you even bother to read posts fully and just look for the negativity so that you can then jump on the person.

I will say that you do make good points when you discuss properly, but you have to accept that not all criticism are fans criticising for the sake of criticising. I was highlighting that England's defence is not up to a standard where they will win regularly. Both France and Ireland exposed a clear weakness where too often an England player will bite in and leave space out wide. It happened multiple times in both games and is an obvious weakness to exploit. You yourself admit that France making mistakes contributed to us winning. If we need to rely on a team making mistakes to win then we're not good enough to challenge for the 6Ns or WC which is where I want us to be. I said I think England can win this weekend and I believe they can. But they need to stop Scotland getting quick ball to Russell so that Scotland can't get wide quickly and exploit players biting in and they also need to fix the issue causes these gaps, whether it is part of the system or players not trusting each other. Maybe now that England have won they might relax more and not panic as much when in defence.

 

[BPM]

Look, we may have different opinions, but ultimately we're on the same side.

I'd prefer to save any animosity for our opposition.

 

[Reiser99]

Look, we may have different opinions, but ultimately we're on the same side.

I'd prefer to save any animosity for our opposition.

Sure, we can agree on that.

**** the Scots!

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Ok now kiss

 

[General Melchett]

Sure, we can agree on that.

**** the Scots!

Can only assume you wrote 'love' or 'hail' but no idea why one of them is on the banned list.

 

[Reiser99]

Ok now kiss

Don't be so revolting. I wouldn't kiss a Scotsman if he was glazed in honey.

 

[retired9]

Don't be so revolting. I wouldn't kiss a Scotsman if he was glazed in honey.

Maple syrup on the other hand…