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[2023 Six Nations] England Squad

Sam Jefferies should be in the back row conversation if he can stay fit. He hits like a truck, soft hands, can cover lock and has speed n big engine (and has been involved touring with the squad).

Just throwing it out there. ;)
Get him in!

I know I'm boring but it's been blatantly obvious for a number of years we're missing some raw physicality and power. When your playing against guys who repeatedly hit you like a tank and knock you back its brutal. George Martin tackles like that aswell. We've badly missed Underhill...

I'm all for athleticism and forwards playing like backs etc...but you still need some old fashioned forward skills...and not the pint drinking game 😉
 
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Ribbans over Maro next week - he needs a reset.

Murley on the wing and Malins at full back - Steward is class at the obvious (and an obvious pick for certain sides) but too slow for the Irish wingers and is being shown up.

Ludlam to 8 and Dombrandt to the bench as he'll need a rest after the S&C hell he's going to go through this week...

Just a thought, start with Mako and Coles. Isn't that how bomb squads work?
 
Interesting some of tigers have said that George Martin is moving to Lock permanently. Now that could be a huge thing for England. A lock with his aggressive juggernaut tackling and just plain physicality is invaluable.

4 Martin (Itoje to prove himself)
5 Chessum
6 Hill
7 T.Curry / Underhill (if he ever returns)
8 Mercer / Cunningham South/ T.Willis

Suddenly there's physicality, mobility, aggression and power
I'm not sure I want to see underhill in again, it's not because I don't rate him he's just had too many head injuries and owes it to himself and loved ones not to risk it.
 
One thing that I keep questioning after yesterday is what the hell is going on with S&C coaching at club level? Compared to the French we just looked so small and unathletic.

I completely get that not every player needs to look like Mr. Olympia but the likes of Dombrandt and Malins are 25/26 year old international athletes playing a contact sport and they look like they don't know what a gym is. I know there was the old joke about Dombrandt's 'uni rig' but he's been a pro rugby player for nearly 5 full seasons now and he's still just so physically unimpressive. Malins looks more frail than most footballers.

What training are some of these lads actually doing on a week to week basis?
 
One thing that I keep questioning after yesterday is what the hell is going on with S&C coaching at club level? Compared to the French we just looked so small and unathletic.

I completely get that not every player needs to look like Mr. Olympia but the likes of Dombrandt and Malins are 25/26 year old international athletes playing a contact sport and they look like they don't know what a gym is. I know there was the old joke about Dombrandt's 'uni rig' but he's been a pro rugby player for nearly 5 full seasons now and he's still just so physically unimpressive. Malins looks more frail than most footballers.

What training are some of these lads actually doing on a week to week basis?
Statistically English forwards are still pretty big, I think it's just there is so little aggression in everything they do so they end up looking feeble. Someone like Hamish Watson looks "big" in comparison because of how insanely effective he is when carrying whilst many of our players look small, despite actually being heavier, because they are so easily stopped. We have this weird tactic of targeting the largest concentration of players with our biggest players, effectively nullifying them whilst basically every other team at least attempts to match up big players vs small players.
 
Statistically English forwards are still pretty big, I think it's just there is so little aggression in everything they do so they end up looking feeble. Someone like Hamish Watson looks "big" in comparison because of how insanely effective he is when carrying whilst many of our players look small, despite actually being heavier, because they are so easily stopped.
English forwards may well be statistically big, but big in what way? Dombrandt is heavier than Alldritt but it doesn't take an expert to see which of these guys is packing more muscle:
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Then you have George and Marchand, who are supposedly the same weight:
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Obviously these are the most extreme examples but weight itself is irrelevant when one set of players look like elite athletes and the others look like pub goers.

I agree with everything you've said in regards to the way we play, but I'd say there is still a pretty serious issue with our players' physical progression.
 
Playing out of his skin.
Doing everything he did before at 6 but his carrying game has improved massively.

Outside Montoya been our best forward the past month
That's very good to hear. So in the not to distant future we might have an option of a lock with some real physicality for England...brutal tackler etc . Itoje better stepup his game
 
Hamish Watson plays like an angry honey badger made entirely of elbows.

It's that old cliche of it's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.
That's sums it up well. You can be ripped and 20 stone. However if you have no natural aggression and win at cost mentality your size means little. People keep on saying our forwards are smaller than their equivalents. This wasn't the case yesterday and it won't be Vs Ireland. What our opponents do have is better baseline fitness, tactics and I'm afraid to say more aggression and desire.

Billy Vunipola is a classic example 21 stone billy pre arm injuries was the best carrier in the world. 21 stone Billy in the last 4 years flops into tackles of back rowers 5 stone lighter than him.

I've seen poor England teams. However I've not seen so many English packs bullied as they have in the last 18 months. Even in the dark days of Robinson and Ashton we always had a physical edge. It's what English rugby has been built on in the last 40 years +.
 
English forwards may well be statistically big, but big in what way? Dombrandt is heavier than Alldritt but it doesn't take an expert to see which of these guys is packing more muscle:
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Then you have George and Marchand, who are supposedly the same weight:
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Obviously these are the most extreme examples but weight itself is irrelevant when one set of players look like elite athletes and the others look like pub goers.

I agree with everything you've said in regards to the way we play, but I'd say there is still a pretty serious issue with our players' physical progression.
So who is missing who fits the agressive category? LCD? Tcurry? Johny hill?(not sure on that one) who else?

Coming through? Pearson, THill, CCS, Martin, Barbeary, TWillis, Mercer, all of these strike me as aggressive in attack and/or defence. Obv inexperience, injuries, form play a part but still what can England do to sort this?

With Dombrandt at 8 given he isnt a destructive carrier or defender so you sort of pay a Simmonds tax. Need to make it up with more power on the flanks.
 
So who is missing who fits the agressive category? LCD? Tcurry? Johny hill?(not sure on that one) who else?

Coming through? Pearson, THill, CCS, Martin, Barbeary, TWillis, Mercer, all of these strike me as aggressive in attack and/or defence. Obv inexperience, injuries, form play a part but still what can England do to sort this?

With Dombrandt at 8 given he isnt a destructive carrier or defender so you sort of pay a Simmonds tax. Need to make it up with more power on the flanks.
This is why sports psychologists are so damn important and yet it seems so often overlooked. The physical attributes of the players is only half the battle, they need to be mentally up for it, and England too often just do not look fired up for games. When was the last game England really looked like they wanted to get stuck into their opponents? Probably the 2019 WC semi against NZ and in the warm up game against Ireland going into that. Too often our players just don't look like they give a damn. You look at teams that have stayed at the top, they very rarely completely capitulate like that even when well beaten.

So many teams get fired up for England and yet who do we actually get fired up for? The only "must beat" team for England is the ABs, and even then it's only occasionally we turn up. When Jones first took over is the only time since 2003 I can think of when England went on a sustained period of actually turning up to games, being absolutely brutal and fighting right to the bitter end. Players gave it their all. Now we frequently see players giving up on a chase, not even bothering to drift to close a defensive gap, standing by watching as a ruck gets turned over, not absolutely legging it to support a break. Too many players just seem to be in cruise control and it's infuriating. If we were losing but trying our best you'd say fair enough, there wasn't anything more to give but these players look like they have so much more to give but can't get fired up enough to bother.
 
This is why sports psychologists are so damn important and yet it seems so often overlooked. The physical attributes of the players is only half the battle, they need to be mentally up for it, and England too often just do not look fired up for games. When was the last game England really looked like they wanted to get stuck into their opponents? Probably the 2019 WC semi against NZ and in the warm up game against Ireland going into that. Too often our players just don't look like they give a damn. You look at teams that have stayed at the top, they very rarely completely capitulate like that even when well beaten.

So many teams get fired up for England and yet who do we actually get fired up for? The only "must beat" team for England is the ABs, and even then it's only occasionally we turn up. When Jones first took over is the only time since 2003 I can think of when England went on a sustained period of actually turning up to games, being absolutely brutal and fighting right to the bitter end. Players gave it their all. Now we frequently see players giving up on a chase, not even bothering to drift to close a defensive gap, standing by watching as a ruck gets turned over, not absolutely legging it to support a break. Too many players just seem to be in cruise control and it's infuriating. If we were losing but trying our best you'd say fair enough, there wasn't anything more to give but these players look like they have so much more to give but can't get fired up enough to bother.
I have a Sports Psych qualification…..
 

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