2023-2024 transfers

[Tooting Carmen]

So Exe now in the market for a starting 2, 3, 6, 8, 10 and 11

Their best days are definitely behind them.

 

[Scotty]

So Exe now in the market for a starting 2, 3, 6, 8, 10 and 11

We're also pretty weak at 9, i guess we need to blindly trust Baxter on this one, seeming like an EJ master plan that no one can see it but him.

But no this is getting worrying. And dont forget we lost last season 4 lonsdale 5 hill 7 Skinner(ok 6), 9 White, 14 O Flaherty

Sooo 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 14 but yeah We're good

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Tigers sign Tom West for rest of season.

Perfect signing and one I hope we keep

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

We're also pretty weak at 9, i guess we need to blindly trust Baxter on this one, seeming like an EJ master plan that no one can see it but him.

But no this is getting worrying. And dont forget we lost last season 4 lonsdale 5 hill 7 Skinner(ok 6), 9 White, 14 O Flaherty

Sooo 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 14 but yeah We're good

Hmm honestly Exeter team of
1. Sio ,2. Frost, 3. Schickerling
4. Gray, 5. Jenkins
6. Tshiunza, 7. Capstick, 8. Fisilau

16. Yeandle, 17. Sio, 18. Street/Kenny/Whoever
19. Dunne, 20. Grondona

Pretty damn good pack to build off especially with all that cap.
Hindsight Baxter should've tried harder to keep Hinckley.

But could sign a top 9 and 10, then look for some more depth style signings target players like Miles Reed or Bayliss at Bath etc.

Actually Tom Ellis would be a very Baxter style signing.

 

[will311293]

@LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) you excited

Such a good signing as a great scrummager and strong player to have in the squad.

 

[Scotty]

Hmm honestly Exeter team of
1. Sio ,2. Frost, 3. Schickerling
4. Gray, 5. Jenkins
6. Tshiunza, 7. Capstick, 8. Fisilau

16. Yeandle, 17. Sio, 18. Street/Kenny/Whoever
19. Dunne, 20. Grondona

Pretty damn good pack to build off especially with all that cap.
Hindsight Baxter should've tried harder to keep Hinckley.

But could sign a top 9 and 10, then look for some more depth style signings target players like Miles Reed or Bayliss at Bath etc.

Actually Tom Ellis would be a very Baxter style signing.

I do agree we have some good players and can rebuild but when the core of your pack that you built around goes in a short time, alot of them are young/ quite inexperienced so will take a while to get back ip there but i do take you point.

Also do have Vermeulen and Hepburn(who i think you meant at 17 nit Sio twice. I wonder how we will go, couple of short term big signings in weak positions and develop the others because we must have alot of cap space.

Also can anyone tell me the contract deal with Tshiunza and Jenkins as in when do we lose them to the Welsh clubs?

 

[Which Tyler]

But could sign a top 9 and 10, then look for some more depth style signings target players like Miles Reed or Bayliss at Bath etc.

Oi! No!

Actually Tom Ellis would be a very Baxter style signing.

Much more fair - he'll definitely be a good signing for someone, deserves to be closer to starting than he is at Bath. It'll be interesting to see if he can fulfill his early potential with game time, or if those injuries did for him.

 

[Geordie]

Tom West is a cracking player...at his best he should be in the England squad....

 

[Geordie]

I do agree we have some good players and can rebuild but when the core of your pack that you built around goes in a short time, alot of them are young/ quite inexperienced so will take a while to get back ip there but i do take you point.

Also do have Vermeulen and Hepburn(who i think you meant at 17 nit Sio twice. I wonder how we will go, couple of short term big signings in weak positions and develop the others because we must have alot of cap space.

Also can anyone tell me the contract deal with Tshiunza and Jenkins as in when do we lose them to the Welsh clubs?

If the rumours are correct you might have Callum Chick aswell....

Will they not just extend the welsh lads contracts. Cant see why they would want to move on just yet.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

@LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) you excited

Such a good signing as a great scrummager and strong player to have in the squad.

Very haha

I do agree we have some good players and can rebuild but when the core of your pack that you built around goes in a short time, alot of them are young/ quite inexperienced so will take a while to get back ip there but i do take you point.

Also do have Vermeulen and Hepburn(who i think you meant at 17 nit Sio twice. I wonder how we will go, couple of short term big signings in weak positions and develop the others because we must have alot of cap space.

Also can anyone tell me the contract deal with Tshiunza and Jenkins as in when do we lose them to the Welsh clubs?

You should be ok for a couple years, also with this welsh contract problems I think Gatland will be more relaxed.

Honestly that pack is in a similar position to tigers a couple of seasons ago though.

Yeh meant Hepburn at 17 also thought Vermeulen was off but that is a big bonus though.

 

[Scotty]

Very haha



You should be ok for a couple years, also with this welsh contract problems I think Gatland will be more relaxed.

Honestly that pack is in a similar position to tigers a couple of seasons ago though.

Yeh meant Hepburn at 17 also thought Vermeulen was off but that is a big bonus though.

Still think it should be play in Wales or for the team who's academy you came through but oh well. And i think its Kirsten that's rumoured to be off.

 

[RedruthRFC]

So Exe now in the market for a starting 2, 3, 6, 8, 10 and 11

As an interested observer, I can't make sense of this whichever way I try to rationalise it. According to one Facebook commentator I read this morning, this is the natural attrition that we see every year and as such a non-story!

If this was simply a cloth-cutting exercise to fit under the cap, or if English teams just aren't able to compete with the money that other leagues are able to offer, why aren't we seeing other teams in the same position?

If the party line that it's a rebuilding phase is true, why is this strategy being pursued having seen what effect clearing house has had this season?

If the rumours that it's not a happy camp are true, what has changed to create this problem?

 

[Which Tyler]

If this was simply a cloth-cutting exercise to fit under the cap, or if English teams just aren't able to compete with the money that other leagues are able to offer, why aren't we seeing other teams in the same position?

It feels like Exeter are losing a little more than the rest of the league - but... we all are, aren't we? Just that maybe Exeter are doing it all in 1 year, rather than 2 - probably due to the contracts signed for the 75% towards the cap, covid allowance thing.
If Exeter signed everyone up to 3 year contracts then, then they'd all be become due now; and really feeling the squeeze for the cap.
If other teams signed some to 2 years and some to 3 years; then it'd be spread over 2 seasons.

 

[Scotty]

It feels like Exeter are losing a little more than the rest of the league - but... we all are, aren't we? Just that maybe Exeter are doing it all in 1 year, rather than 2 - probably due to the contracts signed for the 75% towards the cap, covid allowance thing.
If Exeter signed everyone up to 3 year contracts then, then they'd all be become due now; and really feeling the squeeze for the cap.
If other teams signed some to 2 years and some to 3 years; then it'd be spread over 2 seasons.

I never thought of that but makes sense, re sign your big players then all of a sudden they are coming out of contract 3 years later at/approaching 30 at the end of a WC cycle, makes sense alot would be making these tough decisions at the same, and J Simmonds not having a shot with england really i get going to france, especially with his brother going, May not be about the club/atmosphere but rather the players themselves.

 

[BPM]

Exactly this. I think part of the problem is that they all came through together at the same (or at least a similar) time, so their contracts are all up for renewal simultaneously. It might be fair to say that could have been accounted for/avoided, but the last time they were negotiating would have probably coincided with cap cuts etc which will likely have limited their options.

The fact that a bunch of them are either ignored (Joe Simmonds and Ewers) or haven't really got a guaranteed place with England (Sam Simmonds and Nowell) isn't going to help keep them in the league.

 

[Scotty]

Exactly this. I think part of the problem is that they all came through together at the same (or at least a similar) time, so their contracts are all up for renewal simultaneously. It might be fair to say that could have been accounted for/avoided, but the last time they were negotiating would have probably coincided with cap cuts etc which will likely have limited their options.

The fact that a bunch of them are either ignored (Joe Simmonds and Ewers) or haven't really got a guaranteed place with England (Sam Simmonds and Nowell) isn't going to help keep them in the league.

Exeter were prepared for summer loss of stars says boss Rob Baxter - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64330380

"I spoke to the board three years ago when we re-signed the group pretty much en-masse for either two or three years, that it would be a real challenge for us to keep that quality of squad beyond the length of those contracts because of age, experience, what they'd achieved and the changing in the cap," he added."

It's not something by doing that you couldn't have known was coming, but we took that choice and kept that squad together and won a Heineken Cup.

 

[Scotty]

Ruben van Heerden: 'Homesick' Exeter Chiefs lock to return to South Africa - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64349828

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Ruben van Heerden: 'Homesick' Exeter Chiefs lock to return to South Africa - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64349828

Worrying. We were light on specialist locks anyway but now van Heerden's gone and Gray and Jenkins are going to be away for the Six Nations. Only leaves us with Dunne.

 

[Scotty]

Worrying. We were light on specialist locks anyway but now van Heerden's gone and Gray and Jenkins are going to be away for the Six Nations. Only leaves us with Dunne.

So who have we got below Jenkins? Tuima? Is he a lock aswell? We Signed Bell but heard nothing about him? This is getting abit silly tbh

LCD
Van heerden
Kirsten
Ewers
SSimmonds
JSimmonds
Nowell

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

So who have we got below Jenkins? Tuima? Is he a lock aswell? We Signed Bell but heard nothing about him? This is getting abit silly tbh

If Kirsten's fit then he's a capable lock option. Capstick and Pearson have both played some rugby there in the past. Vermeulen could put in a shift there. As you mention there's Alfie Bell, plus a couple of academy guys like Teague and Bailey. We are scraping the barrel though.