Discussion in '2020 Guinness Six Nations' started by TRF_Olyy, Jan 20, 2020.
We did it with hill
I don’t know why Jones doesn’t just get all the young centres in the squad and see which ones he wants to work with and then actually play a 12 at 12.
I mean I like Devoto, no idea why he hasn’t been capped yet. Dingwall is good but I’m not sure he’s top end international good, same goes for the James brothers. It’s bizarre that England in general hasn’t had a stand out 12 playing club rugby in the last 10 years really.
EPS agreements don't allow it.
Can you imagine how ****** off all the clubs will be if Eddie calls in a dozen+ young midfielders and messes up their club training?
Erm...im from Doncaster living down south so who are you calling a southerner! was at the championship final Yorkshire vs Bristol hoping for a yorkshire team in the prem haha.
I get your point but sam James i dont think has a high ceiling, Luke i dont know i dont think he will amount to an England player tbh, pretty sure Redpath is only their because of potential and the potential loss if he does live up to the hype and choose Scotland.
Manu will be fit for Ire, but Watson won’t.
Yeah for 20 odd minutes I reckon before he's broken again. Holding out for a durable Manu is like holding out for a durable Billy V. Gutting but neither can stay fit for long enough to be nailed on.
Yet we build our gameplans on the assumption they will be, it's madness.
Ted ? Worcester
No, Paul Hill
Got his first cap as a 20yr old because Ireland were sniffing about
And a fat lot of good that did him, not that he’d be near the Ire side either atm.
I'd be really interested to see a comparison amongst all tier one nations and the amout of International games missed through injury to squad members in the last 10 years
I would suggest that England would be top or very near the top of that list. We clearly don't manage our elite players as well as other nations due to a lack of central contracts and I would also question the conditioning of our players. How can we build sustained success if half a dozen of your starters are constantly injured. Yes we have a large talent pool, but that does not substitute for quality
Dombrandt wins Gallagher premiership player of the month. Jones be like "nah mate".
There’s probably a good deal of truth in that, but equally two of our worst cases, Manu and Binny seem nothing to do with their workload and all to do with inherent frailty. Whether there’s anything in the Polynesian make up that makes them more injury prone is another discussion.
And many clubs might argue that the best way to keep their players in one piece is to keep them away from Jones’ training sessions...
The numbers of players injured in Jones' training sessions has been ridiculous and culminates in Sam Jones retiring after getting injured doing Judo.
However Billy and Manu pre-date Jones' harsh training and so as pointed out above, it seems silly to build a game plan around them when they have a history of injury. By all means play them if fit, but to plan your squad around seems ridiculous.
I agree re billy and manu. However look at the likes of Watson, underhill, mako, nowell and slade over the past 3 seasons.They Have been unavailable for selection more than the other way around.
I don't see why the powers that be can't see this and do some analysis
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby)
Ben Earl (Saracens)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
George Kruis (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
Beno Obano (Bath Rugby)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Elliot Daly (Saracens)
Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs)
Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints)
Owen Farrell (Saracens
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
George Furbank (Northampton Saints)
Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Jacob Umaga (Wasps)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints)
Hodge (Apprentice): Out
Moon is injury
Mako in Tonga family issues.
No idea about others however.
Assume Watson still injury.
Hill out is disappointing.
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