[2019 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (02/02/2019)

[TRF_Olyy]

Accurate reflection of the game alright, but seriously... what the f*** is a 'dominant tackle'. And why does it have such a cringy name?

As far as I know it's tackle that causes lost metres (so either behind the gainline or driving them back)

 

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[Rich Taff]

Anyone else find May reminding them of a dark haired Simon Geoghegan?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

All true but in terms of Schmidt what has he learnt from today?
I didn't hear him interviewed but I'd imagine he's pretty chill about today - that's the sort of coach he is, realistic and pragmatic. Henshaws selection was probably not enough of a failure to rule out trying it again. He's smart enough to know that even talents like Stockdale have meh games. I'm sure he's already well aware of what Aki does and doesn't bring. Maybe it's that SOB has to start and that even Murray Is droppable but i'm not really sure about that. I guess you could say something about needing a plan B but honestly, a better bet is just ensuring you execute plan A properly at this point!

Yeah, plan B is a cliché but there's clearly things he thought would work that didn't today. I don't think he expected Aki to get absolutely dad dicked, I think he expected Henshaw to position himself a lot better than he did today and he found out his pack could get absolutely bullied by a strong team playing well. There's a few weaknesses certain guys have that can be completely and utterly exposed as we saw and there'll be plenty of workons and focus areas. Easy to say in hindsight but Schmidt has always learnt from defeats and concessions and this is his biggest and worse loss since 2015, Possibly the second worse in his career.

 

[Reiser99]

6/10 according to the Guardian reporter.
Mentioned him giving away an early penalty and a yellow card, and then said he "settled" later on.

Unsurprisingly the reporter who made the scores was Irish.

Just for fun the independent.ie.

Cian Healy, Josh Van der Flier and James Ryan 7 were Ireland's top.

Ben Youngs...6! WTF! Surely that one was upside down.

 

[Reiser99]

Actually Guardian gave Youngs 6 as well. Sorry his kicking was fantastic and allowed England to compete so successfully.
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[TW27BA]

If England got an Underhill-Curry-Vunipola backrow together I'd be terrified. There's a potentially great team there.

I'd be very happy with that backrow too.
If only EJ would look further than Hughes as back up for BV. He isn't the biggest, but has Wilson ever played 8 althugh he had an excellent game at blindside today.?
I'd rather have an out of form Morgan than Hughes. He did nothing this afternoon.

I'm guessing Lawes in for Itoje and Joe on the bench next week if the injury is as serious as it looks.

 

[Reiser99]

I'd be very happy with that backrow too.
If only EJ would look further than Hughes as back up for BV. He isn't the biggest, but has Wilson ever played 8 althugh he had an excellent game at blindside today.?
I'd rather have an out of form Morgan than Hughes. He did nothing this afternoon.

I'm guessing Lawes in for Itoje and Joe on the bench next week if the injury is as serious as it looks.

Wilson was 8 during the autumn and played fantastically there. If we have Underhill/Curry/Billy with Wilson on the bench it would be great.

 

[TW27BA]

^ How soon I forgot that. One of the times Binny and Hughes were injured at the same time wasn't it.?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Wilson's main position is 8,
I don't think he has the size to he a starter there at international level but definitely an option from the bench

 

[Mr Ruggleby]

Still think Ford, Farrell, Manu is a better shout.

Lol...I guess at this point we know that the blind loyalty to Ford is immortal.

Though, shouldn't you be spending less time on here and more time getting the Dallas Griffins ready for Major League Rugby?

 

[corny]

James Ryan topped the metres made for Irelands starting forwards with 12 metres.

As a comparison Stander made 35 metres in the game at Twikenham last year.

 

[Hanley!]

That's a bit much, we've lost to a worse side and beaten a better one in the past 9 months than England today. There's no need to go back to the drawing board, we were/are "world beaters" considering we beat everyone there is to beat in the past 15 months. Today we faced a side who didn't want to get beat three times in a row who had more than enough reason to be pumped up with all the bullshit surrounding the game and they were fed up of being dicked by our clubs for two seasons, and more importantly they've got some great players. They absolutely bossed us, hammered us, even then we had chances to score and get a foothold in the game (Ringrose's tackle and subsequent break is one that sticks out) other days we take those and the wind out of their sails.

I'm not disagreeing with this, and by no means do I think that we need to go back to the drawing board. But our game plan is quite two dimensional and when our opposition manage to neutralise it (which admittedly doesn't happen often) we can look a bit lost. I'd just like to see us expand our game plan, and come up with some X factor. England played really well today and were going to be tough to beat regardless, but it's important to learn lessons from defeat. Some of our players didn't have their best games today, but man on man I'd still fancy that Ireland team the majority of the time. So the coaching has to take a decent share of the blame here.

We did beat everyone there is to beat over the last 15 months. But we almost lost to France last year when we should have beaten them comfortably. Scotland could have beaten us in Dublin last year if not for some bad wasted chances. We weren't as dominant last year as our win/loss record suggests. Most of those games were tight. Which is a fair reflection of tier one rugby at the moment; I just don't think we can rest on our laurels.

My worry with the current team is that they might not handle adversity well. When things start falling apart they often don't have a response. That's not something that anyone would ever say about the All Blacks for example. Ireland like to smother the opposition by controlling every aspect of the game, but over the course of a World Cup we aren't going to be able to maintain that kind of control. It's just not realistic.

 

[General Melchett]

What it shows is players at this level are all roughly the same but how they are structured as a team and how well they are coached makes a small but significant difference. Today was Eddies day but before its been Joe's day. The teams are almost equal it just depends on who has the right mentally and game plan on the day

I would disagree to a large extent. Last night's capitulation in Paris was primarily down to the French players and not the coaching team. Regardless of tonight's result, Joe Schmidt remains a world class head coach and anyone suggesting that he got outsmarted by Jones is just making up a story to suit the headline. England were outstanding but to say it was primarily down to Jones is pure guesswork.

History suggests that you won't be able to accept another viewpoint or are you going to surprise us all. Stay tuned folks......

 

[Leinster Fan]

James Ryan topped the metres made for Irelands starting forwards with 12 metres.

As a comparison Stander made 35 metres in the game at Twikenham last year.

CJ Stander with 6 metres from 11 carries...he's meant to be a 'destructive' player.

 

[MarkyH]

Good game chaps. I'm off to bed to dream of a Slade - Manu midfield.

 

[Which Tyler]

Accurate reflection of the game alright, but seriously... what the f*** is a 'dominant tackle'. And why does it have such a cringy name?

It's a tackle that moves the gain line back. Either using linespeed, or brute force

 

[corny]

CJ Stander with 6 metres from 11 carries...he's meant to be a 'destructive' player.

I'd give CJ a pass this game. His eye is smashed to smithereens by all accounts.

They all found it tough to make yards. We're used to seeing Healy, Furlong, Stander and Ryan smash people out of the way. As Murray said post game "they were more pumped than we were".

 

[Mr Ruggleby]

There's an issue at 15, Kearney probably stops the first two, if not three tries with better positioning

What a load of ********. It was errors from your wingers that cost you the first 2 tries, not the full-back, so unless Kearney was going to be playing both left and right wing as well as, presumably, full-back, he wouldn't have stopped either.

You just have to look at how much the English are loving this win to see what beating us means these days, England confirmed themselves as RWC contenders after a bit of doubt, no one is writing us off.

England fans are loving this win because it's the first time the team has played to its potential in recent memory, with most of our best players fit - showing how good we can be. Ireland weren't bad through mistakes today, they were bad because England dominated them and there is nothing the players you had on that pitch today could have done to stop that happening.

People (myself included) were calling an England win on here before the game, which means we expected to win - I think your suggestion that it means "so much" is a little delusional - you guys are a very good team, but you don't have the same aura of invincibility that the All Blacks do, it's not even close. They are the only team we expect to lose to and rightly so given the quality and size of our player pool.

Chin up, England will never be able to maintain this consistency for more than a couple of games, so I'm sure you'll take the bragging rights next time!

 

[corny]

What a load of ********. It was errors from your wingers that cost you the first 2 tries, not the full-back, so unless Kearney was going to be playing both left and right wing as well as, presumably, full-back, he wouldn't have stopped either.



England fans are loving this win because it's the first time the team has played to its potential in recent memory, with most of our best players fit - showing how good we can be. Ireland weren't bad through mistakes today, they were bad because England dominated them and there is nothing the players you had on that pitch today could have done to stop that happening.

People (myself included) were calling an England win on here before the game, which means we expected to win - I think your suggestion that it means "so much" is a little delusional - you guys are a very good team, but you don't have the same aura of invincibility that the All Blacks do, it's not even close. They are the only team we expect to lose to and rightly so given the quality and size of our player pool.

Chin up, England will never be able to maintain this consistency for more than a couple of games, so I'm sure you'll take the bragging rights next time!

I think the truth is probably in the middle. On good days for both it should be a tight contest.

Claiming either team has it in them to take the game completely away from the opposition is wide of the mark imo.