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[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: England vs Italy (26/02/2017)

Oh mate I've seen it all. I'm just enjoying this now. Enjoy being called a whinger for around three months, it's what happened to us, but at least our coach didn't come across as an infant who literally threatened to take his toys and retire if he didn't get his way.
I think Jones is a discredit to his great team.
 
Oh mate I've seen it all. I'm just enjoying this now. Enjoy being called a whinger for around three months, it's what happened to us, but at least our coach didn't come across as an infant who literally threatened to take his toys and retire if he didn't get his way.
I think Jones is a discredit to his great team.

And TBH I don't think this great team would of happened without Eddie.

I think the Irish underestimate the attitude you need to tackle the English media, it happens to all of England's sporting coaches football, Rugby union, League, Cricket the press destroys the weak.

Eddie tackles the press head on and he takes away so much pressure from his players.



The fact that the Irish loved Lancaster and hates Eddie sums up why we need a Eddie over a Lancaster.
 
And who needs one of those when there are no rucks? 



Absolutely, but not in public. He'll be doing it behind closed doors

Eddie Jones said in interview when asked about Italian tactics, "that's not rugby" LOL LOL! Soon if it hasn't happened already we'll have the accusations of Italy 'exploiting' the rules, and then the cheating word will creep in. All wrong of course. How on earth did it take a full half for England to get their heads round it? Well done Italy and well done Schmidt even if they did lose.
 
Eddie Jones said in interview when asked about Italian tactics, "that's not rugby" LOL LOL! Soon if it hasn't happened already we'll have the accusations of Italy 'exploiting' the rules, and then the cheating word will creep in. All wrong of course. How on earth did it take a full half for England to get their heads round it? Well done Italy and well done Schmidt even if they did lose.


Schmidt? O'Shea the trick is the Irish ones coaches Italy.
 
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Whatever you want to believe.

Ok then, you don't give a **** about player welfare, fair enough.
 
And TBH I don't think this great team would of happened without Eddie.

I think the Irish underestimate the attitude you need to tackle the English media, it happens to all of England's sporting coaches football, Rugby union, League, Cricket the press destroys the weak.

Eddie tackles the press head on and he takes away so much pressure from his players.



The fact that the Irish loved Lancaster and hates Eddie sums up why we need a Eddie over a Lancaster.
Oh he's a good coach, and I understand battle talk, but what advantage, psychological or otherwise do England get from their coach totally losing his composure and blasting a completely legal tactic. It just comes across as making excuses for himself and his team, for not knowing the laws, and being poor in many other facets of play. The smart thing to do would have being applauding Italy but making it abundantly clear that this tactic won't work again. What does he say instead? He conveys this tactic certainly set the cat among the pigeons to the extent I'm willing to retire because I can't cope with it. I assume Nathan Hughes will be hung from the rafters for using the same tactic too by Jones, such a paragon of pure rugby as he is.
 
The English tears after this game are hilarious. Just cause you aren't able to handle something doesn't mean it should be banned from the game.
 
Eddie Jones said in interview when asked about Italian tactics, "that's not rugby" LOL LOL! Soon if it hasn't happened already we'll have the accusations of Italy 'exploiting' the rules, and then the cheating word will creep in. All wrong of course. How on earth did it take a full half for England to get their heads round it? Well done Italy and well done Schmidt even if they did lose.

I didn't see the interview, I'm not passing comment.

The idea that Jones has an obligation to hang his players out to dry by criticising them in public is ****ing ridiculous. That was my only point.
 
The English tears after this game are hilarious. Just cause you aren't able to handle something doesn't mean it should be banned from the game.

We handled it. We won. We won quite handsomely, if not quite by the margin generally expected by Italy. Took us some time to get used to it, but we handled it alright.

If the next ten games people watched were all like that, I'm pretty sure most people would want the laws changed.

Yeah, some of the reactions here are a bit OTT - this thread's been more fun than the game, give credit there - but a game all about pick n' gos/mauls rather than back play isn't that popular.

Except, ironically, over here some of the time.
 
The English tears after this game are hilarious. Just cause you aren't able to handle something doesn't mean it should be banned from the game.

And yet when the SH teams couldn't deal with England's mauling tactics from the 2003 squad they whinged until the rules got changed... Funny that.
 
We handled it. We won. We won quite handsomely, if not quite by the margin generally expected by Italy. Took us some time to get used to it, but we handled it alright.

If the next ten games people watched were all like that, I'm pretty sure most people would want the laws changed.

Yeah, some of the reactions here are a bit OTT - this thread's been more fun than the game, give credit there - but a game all about pick n' gos/mauls rather than back play isn't that popular.

Except, ironically, over here some of the time.

i wouldn't call taking 70 minutes to exploit the blaring holes in an elementary system as exactly handling it.
 
We handled it. We won. We won quite handsomely, if not quite by the margin generally expected by Italy. Took us some time to get used to it, but we handled it alright.

If the next ten games people watched were all like that, I'm pretty sure most people would want the laws changed.

Yeah, some of the reactions here are a bit OTT - this thread's been more fun than the game, give credit there - but a game all about pick n' gos/mauls rather than back play isn't that popular.

Except, ironically, over here some of the time.

Yep when this tactic starts happening every game the rules will change and the reaction will be different. I'd also argue this OTT reaction isn't just coming from England fans mainly coming from fans of a team that wasn't even involved.
 
Never in doubt! ;) clever from oshea and co but I can't see it bent a regular tactic. As soon as teams work out that they commit to the rick you go wide if not you can gain 10 metres a carry through the middle, they'll stop doing it. Still a bonus point win and a banana skin out the way. Shame they decided to use the tactic on England, as it isn't so good for our points difference. Oh yeah, Farrell and ford were both **** for different reasons.
 
And yet when the SH teams couldn't deal with England's mauling tactics from the 2003 squad they whinged until the rules got changed... Funny that.
Which to be fair will probably happen here too.
 
I don't think that I have ever seen Farrell kick so badly before, and Ford made some bad kicking errors as well. Don't know what the wind was like, but given the number of missed place kicks (Italy missed some as well, of course) it must have been unusually turbulent
Mike
 
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