[2016 Rugby Championship] Australia v South Africa (10/09/2016)

[TRF_heineken]

I've added the referee and his team to the OP.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

My dream vs probable reality in the pack. Why are we carrying these passengers?

1 Kitshoff vs Mtawarira
2 Marx vs Strauss
3 Koch vs Adriaanse
4 Etzebeth
5 PSDT vs De Jager
6 Kriel vs Louw
7 Kirsten/Du Preez vs Mohoje
8 Whiteley

I'm not even goig to touch the backs but TBF Pollard and Combrinck would be there but for injury.

 

[WaterboySA]

I think Jannes Kirsten will be the best loose forward never to play for the Boks.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I think AC made the right move getting two new centers in there since they were the weakest part of the team past two games

 

[saulan]

DDA dropped completely... Good. He needs a bit of a wake up call that his play is not up to scratch. I hope that Mapoe comes on fairly early in the second half, would like to see how he does with a different Centre partner.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with Koch being dropped from the 23. Why? Surely he doesn't need a rest of a week break?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

DDA dropped completely... Good. He needs a bit of a wake up call that his play is not up to scratch. I hope that Mapoe comes on fairly early in the second half, would like to see how he does with a different Centre partner.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with Koch being dropped from the 23. Why? Surely he doesn't need a rest of a week break?

i think that all the backs should be benefited by DDA dropping

 

[Jaguares]

Drew Mitchell has proven class, but he's a bit short of a gallop, isn't he? ... maybe he's a good bench option.

Naivalu should definitely add something when he becomes available

And what about Marika Koroibete? He's the fastest NRL winger and he's going to play for the Rebels next season

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

South Africa15 Johan Goosen, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Oupa Mohoje, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 21 Jaco Kriel, 22 Morne Steyn, 23 Lionel Mapoe

In the props not happy Koch is dropped. Is he not 100%?

Hooker we are keeping with Mbonambi who hasn't even got game time. Purely window dressing there. Marx and Bismarck are our best hookers nd we have neither.

I can understand PSDT not playing at 5 if he is playing on the blindside. Oupa needs to get back up. Louw as well. At least Kriel seems to have at least nailed down the bench spot. Mostert is able replacement at lock.

Pretty much been underwhelmed with our loose trio. Its a far cry from a form combo of Louw, Alberts and Vermeulen. Think we have better players who don't get opportunity.

Faf and Elton are Faf and Elton. Hopefully we can give the the platform against Aussie or am I underestmating the Aus pack? Bit of a much over muchness really thugh as I see Jantjies as our 3rd choice but for injury.

Really glad we dropped De Allende and Mapoe. I don't rate De Jongh for 12 though. Would've prefered RJvR with Kriel outside and Mapoe on the bench but its a move AC was all but forced to make considering the lack of form our centers have shown. Why only now after our loss I wouldn't know. Literally everyone was calling for it ever since Ireland.

Our back 3 looks better with Hougie there IMO. Pity about Combrinck. Hope Goosen can improve as we really do need to get passed Le Roux I agree with AC.

 

[Shaggy]

And what about Marika Koroibete? He's the fastest NRL winger and he's going to play for the Rebels next season

What about him? ... He's not eligible yet, so he can't be selected

 

[Gavin]

Australia annoy me. They have so many good players but seem to be mis-managed. James O'Connor is one who could have been Matt Giteau-esque but was thrown on the scrap heap far too early.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Australia annoy me. They have so many good players but seem to be mis-managed. James O'Connor is one who could have been Matt Giteau-esque but was thrown on the scrap heap far too early.

no doubt about O'Connor's talent.There are concerns about the culture he brings

 

[nickdnz]

Australia annoy me. They have so many good players but seem to be mis-managed. James O'Connor is one who could have been Matt Giteau-esque but was thrown on the scrap heap far too early.

no doubt about O'Connor's talent.There are concerns about the culture he brings

Not sure anyone can claim O'Connor has been hard done by. Much like Beale and Cooper; has a huge ego and doesn't seem to place any team first.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I've added both teams to the OP.

Have to say, I like the idea of AC with having 8 forwards on the bench. Especially with the versatility of Nyakane, PSDT and Jaco Kriel. We can basically change our whole pack with those forwards.

Also glad to see the change in the midfield, I just hope we see improvement.

My biggest hope is that Jantjies improves, and if he does, then we certainly have a good chance to win this match.

 

[Gavin]

no doubt about O'Connor's talent.There are concerns about the culture he brings

Not sure anyone can claim O'Connor has been hard done by. Much like Beale and Cooper; has a huge ego and doesn't seem to place any team first.

Whilst I agree, it cannot be a coincidence that Australia are the only nation (really) which has issues with egos and casts them adrift.

There are surely massive egos in that NZ squad and other teams across the world but it feels like the support networks are not there in Australian rugby.

Add to that the players who have the most apparent ego issues, O'Connor and Beale (most notably) appeared when Australian rugby was, probably, at it worst point (from 2006 - 2009). Focus was place on getting Australia back to the top of the rugby ladder instead of nurturing and developing young talent.

If anything look how Giteau was discarded, it shows Australia want to find quick fixes instead of long term solutions. They should take a leaf out of New Zealand's book and what they did after the 2007 World Cup.

I would say that any young person, so is thrust into the limelight with a massive pay cheque would struggle. IMO O'Connor was massively mis-managed. He was used as the next breed of young Australian rugby player who would bring the country back to greatness. That is not a responsibility someone so young should have.

It does appear that he has done well in Europe with London Irish and Toulon. Perhaps the influence of his old friend Giteau has helped but IMO the Australian rugby environment is more toxic than its individual, large-ego, players.

 

[Every Time Ref]

What sort of player is Juan de Jongh? I haven't heard of him before, is he a surprise selection? Is De Allende dropped or injured?

 

[TRF_heineken]

What sort of player is Juan de Jongh? I haven't heard of him before, is he a surprise selection? Is De Allende dropped or injured?

Have you never heard of him before???

He is pretty decent inside centre and was Jean De Villiers' centre partner for the Stormers before De Allende came into the picture. The last 3 years he was involved with the 7's Boks, but he has played 17 games for the Springboks, and he has a very lethal side step on him.

I'm very interested to see how he goes, as he almost certainly improved his all-round skills whilst playing for the Blitzbokke.

He's also a very good defender.

 

[unrated]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Wallabies are known for their ability to hold onto the ball for long phases, so we are preparing ourselves to make a lot of tackles and to be organised on defence," said Coetzee[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He knows this and somehow i feel we are still going to kick the ball to them too much. Anything near our 10 m line we should be running. This will help get our low possession stats up and will build some phases.[/FONT]

 

[TheOvalBall]

"The Wallabies are known for their ability to hold onto the ball for long phases, so we are preparing ourselves to make a lot of tackles and to be organised on defence," said Coetzee
He knows this and somehow i feel we are still going to kick the ball to them too much. Anything near our 10 m line we should be running. This will help get our low possession stats up and will build some phases.

Most ridiculous thing i've read in a while.
You should be concentrating on attacking play, getting the ball and keeping the ball away from your opponent. But then again, AC is a defensive minded coach.

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What sort of player is Juan de Jongh? I haven't heard of him before, is he a surprise selection? Is De Allende dropped or injured?

He's got a great side-step.

 

[TRF_heineken]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Wallabies are known for their ability to hold onto the ball for long phases, so we are preparing ourselves to make a lot of tackles and to be organised on defence," said Coetzee[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He knows this and somehow i feel we are still going to kick the ball to them too much. Anything near our 10 m line we should be running. This will help get our low possession stats up and will build some phases.[/FONT]

Well the way I see it, is that Mohoje and Etzebeth is there to disrupt Pocock and Hooper from stealing the balls at the rucks. I expect our forwards to be extra physical this weekend at the breakdown areas.

and with Jantjies, Kriel, Hougaard and Goosen, we have more than enough kickers to play the territory game. Just as long as we kick the ball into touch and not down Folau's throat so that he can run back at us.

I think the person we'll target is Haylett-Petty. He's leading the stats as the most tackles missed, and he's up against Hougaard, who is a very nippy player, if we get space out wide, I think we'll score some tries.

I don't know, I just woke up this morning with that feeling, that we got this.

 

[George Ford]

Have you never heard of him before???

He is pretty decent inside centre and was Jean De Villiers' centre partner for the Stormers before De Allende came into the picture. The last 3 years he was involved with the 7's Boks, but he has played 17 games for the Springboks, and he has a very lethal side step on him.

I'm very interested to see how he goes, as he almost certainly improved his all-round skills whilst playing for the Blitzbokke.

He's also a very good defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btDuZ94TDqY - DAT STEP