[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 1: Scotland vs. England (06/02/2016)

[TRF_Olyy]

Hahahahahah that clip of Maitland running into touch

#RaisedToHateTheEnglish
#AndBe****AtRugby

Eddie Jones said Haskell played well.....that's a worrying thought...

Very

 

[Aristodemus]

Couldn't agree with BM more on Binny, I thought he was brilliant and very hard working too. Not a fan of Care myself but other than that it was a decent starting point for Jones. Well done boys.

 

[Peat]

Precisely.

I'd say game three at the very earliest in terms of actual legitimate criticism/praise of any kind.

Fair enough, but I'm still going to keep track of what happened up to that point.

Right now, I don't feel like I've got a lot to say about that game because I've seen it all before. A lot of endeavour and a few moments of quality.

Scotland, just like 2012, seemed so much more able to craft line breaks but continually coughed them up so it didn't matter.

Shout out for the maul - that working made a big difference and helped reverse the penalty flow. Although I don't want to make too big a point on the penalties as Lacey's decisions were at time very confounding.

 

[Tony Manx]

Now the test of Jones and his team comes!

I can understand picking Lancaster's team for this game as a possible toughie away to Scotland with the importance of getting started with a win.

Now comes the time to make a few changes for the next match! I am not saying wholesale but the back row needs to be changed, I was not too happy with the centre partnership and that brings Fords place into doubt!

I would stick with Care who was so much better than Youngs, and the front five although Hartley should really be "rested" to see what George can do but, he is the skipper so suppose that's not going to happen!

As for Scotland, I am doubtful they can find any players better than the 23 but feel their problem is heir head and probably Laidlaw!!

Their match against this Italian team could be very important to their chances of not getting the wooden spoon although they could beat France - if no one else!

 

[ratsapprentice]

Fair enough, but I'm still going to keep track of what happened up to that point.

Right now, I don't feel like I've got a lot to say about that game because I've seen it all before. A lot of endeavour and a few moments of quality.

I agree.

I would like to see consistent, if incremental, improvements and definition of a style of play.
Next week there needs to be someone new coming into the starting side somewhere, otherwise it's a waste of a game IMO.

 

[Which Tyler]

Interesting that Devoto managed to beat as many defenders as our 9, 10, 12 and 13 combined.

 

[munstermuffin]

Don't like Jack Clifford because there was a guy in my primary school called Jake Clifford who took my Pokemon cards in senior infants so I beat him up and took them back, then I told the teacher on him. This big red dog is guilty by association.

Have you still got them? I'm looking for Squirtle

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Have you still got them? I'm looking for Squirtle

I have 5 Squirtles including a First edition.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Well, thoughts:

Firstly, HA Scotland! Every single year. When will Scotland learn that losing a close game to a tier 1 opposition playing poorly does not make them a good team? Nor does blaming the ref every game. England got a better reception this year than 2 years ago but the constant booing really irritated me. Serious attitude problem with the Scots towards the English so it's nice silencing them.

For England, Ford was terrible. Aimless kick after aimless kick and did not really bring anyone into the game. He simply cannot function with forwards who aren't doing their jobs at the moment. As a whole I'd describe the English forwards as "lethargic" they are SO slow to get anywhere. You do not see Kiwi forwards just ambling around offside and Jones had better drum it into their heads that if they can't be bothered, they are out. Related to that, breakdown was pathetic as usual, as shown by Ford being swamped by 4 Scottish attackers on a kick and it taking 3 seconds for the first English forward to arrive. They could see the problem that was about to happen but didn't think to speed up. I hope Jones seriously grills them about this, I know I would as a coach. Really late game it is understandable, it isn't in the first half.

Scrum Halves both slow and pretty poor. Youngs throwing an intercept that easily could have led to a try (after slowing down every single phase of play) and Care being anonomous. Get Simpson in, if nothing else he at least understands the concept of getting the ball away from the breakdown quickly. Nowell the standout player for me, don't think he put a foot wrong all game and what he lacks in speed he makes up in various other aspects. JJ pretty anonomous but everything seemed slow and forced so not overly suprised. Lineout was pretty solid though, which is nice. Billy V did a lot well considering he was so often in a bad position and Jamie George comes on and immediately beasts the Scottish scrum... Why is Hartley captain when we have George available?

Also Farrell is a ***.

 

[Tony Manx]

Not a lot to argue about there although I really have to disagree with your description of Farrell!

I like "***s"............

 

[McTallshort]

Poor Jimmy cranky

 

[Crapspray]

Also Farrell is a ***.

To be fair to him, he almost got away with it and won a lineout for England five yards out. Lacey was all for ignoring it and giving England the throw, but the touch judge intervened.

Plus Laidlaw is a mumbling bore who should spend more time looking at how to run a game from 9 than blaming a referee for three months. Plenty of schadenfreude to make up for it.

Jamie George comes on and immediately beasts the Scottish scrum... Why is Hartley captain when we have George available?

That was definitely all of George's work. Nothing to do with the other fifteen forwards.

To answer your question, because he has 67 caps and no one else is an ideal candidate. He threw 91% and did his job round the park. He got in Lacey's ear by the end as well. As Jones has repeatedly said, he put a team out to beat Scotland not to win the 2019 RWC. Hartley was enough to do that.

I'm more concerned with the performances of, in order: Ford, a huge gap, Marler, Launchbury, and Cole. Sort that out before we depose the captain.

 

[TommiG88]

So, a lovely **** of a scots man decided to pour his drink on my seat when I was stood up for nowells try.

Then when I questioned him about it, told me "**** off you ****". Joke

 

[klitarris]

To be fair to him, he almost got away with it and won a lineout for England five yards out. Lacey was all for ignoring it and giving England the throw, but the touch judge intervened.

Plus Laidlaw is a mumbling bore who should spend more time looking at how to run a game from 9 than blaming a referee for three months. Plenty of schadenfreude to make up for it.



That was definitely all of George's work. Nothing to do with the other fifteen forwards.

To answer your question, because he has 67 caps and no one else is an ideal candidate. He threw 91% and did his job round the park. He got in Lacey's ear by the end as well. As Jones has repeatedly said, he put a team out to beat Scotland not to win the 2019 RWC. Hartley was enough to do that.

I'm more concerned with the performances of, in order: Ford, a huge gap, Marler, Launchbury, and Cole. Sort that out before we depose the captain.[/QUOJones
This. Exactly this.

I'd like to see some changes next week. I understand and agree with leaving them out this week, but I'd like to see Jones bringing in Daly and Itoje.

Last point: how good is it to see an English hooker hooking the ball! Don't remember the last time I saw that.

 

[McTallshort]

So, a lovely **** of a scots man decided to pour his drink on my seat when I was stood up for nowells try.

Then when I questioned him about it, told me "**** off you ****". Joke

Proper class a losing jock

 

[TommiG88]

Proper class a losing jock

I've been to many games, never had this. I was gobsmacked. Starting slagging me off to people around him. His language was poor, slated England for having few English players etc. My Scottish friends were embarrassed.

 

[Groundhog]

Have you still got them? I'm looking for Squirtle 

Nah mate grow up and play Yu Gi Oh like the rest of us.

 

[Peat]

To be fair to him, he almost got away with it and won a lineout for England five yards out. Lacey was all for ignoring it and giving England the throw, but the touch judge intervened.

Plus Laidlaw is a mumbling bore who should spend more time looking at how to run a game from 9 than blaming a referee for three months. Plenty of schadenfreude to make up for it.



That was definitely all of George's work. Nothing to do with the other fifteen forwards.

To answer your question, because he has 67 caps and no one else is an ideal candidate. He threw 91% and did his job round the park. He got in Lacey's ear by the end as well. As Jones has repeatedly said, he put a team out to beat Scotland not to win the 2019 RWC. Hartley was enough to do that.

I'm more concerned with the performances of, in order: Ford, a huge gap, Marler, Launchbury, and Cole. Sort that out before we depose the captain.

Did he? What was his job, be anonymous?

In near 80 minutes, he made 1 pass, 1 carry, zero metres, 6 tackles, missed 2. All three guys you mentioned outperformed him in the loose.

He's not an ideal candidate as he shouldn't be in the team.

Edit: And you're defending Farrell because he nearly got away with unnecessary foul play? Good grief.

 

[corny]

So, a lovely **** of a scots man decided to pour his drink on my seat when I was stood up for nowells try.

Then when I questioned him about it, told me "**** off you ****". Joke

Shouldn't have stood up then should you. ****ing arrogance of you standing up!

 

[TommiG88]

Shouldn't have stood up then should you.

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