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[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 1: Ireland vs. Wales (07/02/2016)

Unless my hasty maths are mistaken, Rory has more caps than the rest of the tight 5 combined. Or more caps than the least experienced half of the 23.


The centre thing is a bit baffling.
The centre thing is what it is for now but it'll get more interesting when
Fitzgearld resumes as just a centre which seems to be what he wants
McCloskey keeps improving
B. Aki arrives to the party
Add in Marshall flying it.
 
Payne is there to lead the defence. Its the only plausible reason as i see it. In a team with so many changes, playing against a team who play with tempo through the phases its obvious Schmidt values the established pairing defensively above all else. McCloskey will play this 6N's, i'm sure of it.

On the game itself? The Welsh lads seem to be getting a little upset that we're not trembling before them.:p Well, despite that and the changes i still think we can win. Partly because under Gatland Wales have never beaten us by more than a score in the 6N's. So you'd think we'd be there or thereabouts.

Secondly because there are reasons for optimism amid all the gloom.
-Stander and O' Donnell are young, capable lads who are going to run through walls looking to impress. Furlong too.
-Even though they're ancient White and McCarthy are arguably playing the best rugby of their careers.
-Earls and Trimble with ball in hand are our best wing combination.
-We're not playing a side like England who'd look to, and probably succeed in, strangling us at the set piece.
-Sexton. Don't believe there's anything wrong with his head or his form. Put Biggar in his place last month in bad conditions. Likely to do the same again for me.

Bookies still have Ireland marginal favs. I'll go with Ireland by 4.
 
Payne is there to lead the defence. Its the only plausible reason as i see it. In a team with so many changes, playing against a team who play with tempo through the phases its obvious Schmidt values the established pairing defensively above all else. McCloskey will play this 6N's, i'm sure of it.

On the game itself? The Welsh lads seem to be getting a little upset that we're not trembling before them.:p Well, despite that and the changes i still think we can win. Partly because under Gatland Wales have never beaten us by more than a score in the 6N's. So you'd think we'd be there or thereabouts.

Secondly because there are reasons for optimism amid all the gloom.
-Stander and O' Donnell are young, capable lads who are going to run through walls looking to impress. Furlong too.
-Even though they're ancient White and McCarthy are arguably playing the best rugby of their careers.
-Earls and Trimble with ball in hand are our best wing combination.
-We're not playing a side like England who'd look to, and probably succeed in, strangling us at the set piece.
-Sexton. Don't believe there's anything wrong with his head or his form. Put Biggar in his place last month in bad conditions. Likely to do the same again for me.

Bookies still have Ireland marginal favs. I'll go with Ireland by 4.

Lads has anyone heard Schmidts press conference. He explained it well.
Payne was huge in gaining metres against Wales last year and really the type of player to cause the Welsh midfield problems. And Henshaw at centre is one of Ireland's main go to guys. I agree with Corny here though. Schmidt will use horses for courses and will rotate. McCloskey will see game time as will Marshall I think.
And I also think we will win as we are at home and we aren't as poor as people suggest and Schmidt seems to have got everyone thinking we are heavy underdogs despite being at home.

On your positives.
100% agree on point 1.
Point 2. I'd maybe have liked Furlong and White in opposite roles but Schmidt picked on form and can't ask for more. McCarthy earned his spot.
If on form this is probably our best back 3 to run at Welsh. Earls and Trimble are in good form. Zebo could end up being MOTM. It'd be typical to have no form playing like a drain the Schmidt straightens him out. But he's lucky to be there.
On Sexton. I think we will know by Sunday night if he's ok. I think that game last month will be no indicator but this clash will be key to deciding the game. And kicking the goals will be very key as I think this won't have many tries.
 
I am starting to worry Joe is turning into Kidney...

The Henshaw/Payne axis was manufactured before the WC for the WC and now that is over we need to start again.

Payne won't be around for the next RWC. We need to win as much games as possible this year to secure a decent ranking for the RWC.
We have the summer, one game in autumn and all of the next 6N to try out new combos.
First game of the 6N isn't the time to try out a new centre partnership, considering we already have Fitzgerald and Kearney out injured in the backline which has led to Zebo (who shouldn't be in the squad) starting out of position.
 
Payne won't be around for the next RWC. We need to win as much games as possible this year to secure a decent ranking for the RWC.
We have the summer, one game in autumn and all of the next 6N to try out new combos.
First game of the 6N isn't the time to try out a new centre partnership, considering we already have Fitzgerald and Kearney out injured in the backline which has led to Zebo (who shouldn't be in the squad) starting out of position.

Just on end. You do know Zebo all underage and early Munster career was known more as a full back as opposed to winger. And has played a lot at 15 lately. Hardly out of position. And in ranking area while I agree about your idea of ranking your logic is flawed as summer is more rewarding point wise than now. I think your hatred of him and Earls harms judgement.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru.../six-nations-predictions.html?frame=endScreen

From a Wales perspective I find this very worrying and almost conspiratorial. 12 out of 14 pundits go for us to win the whole lot, never mind Sunday. This kind of certainty was only found at the turn of the century when England dominated. I see this as a deliberate attempt to derail Welsh efforts because we all know the pundits get it wrong more often than not, the sneaky ********.

"Let's all back Wales, that'll **** em up"

It will!
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru.../six-nations-predictions.html?frame=endScreen

From a Wales perspective I find this very worrying and almost conspiratorial. 12 out of 14 pundits go for us to win the whole lot, never mind Sunday. This kind of certainty was only found at the turn of the century when England dominated. I see this as a deliberate attempt to derail Welsh efforts because we all know the pundits get it wrong more often than not, the sneaky ********.

"Let's all back Wales, that'll **** em up"

It will!

One can only hope.......
 
To be fair, Wales are pretty much untouched by injury and have an established coach with a game plan.
They should be favourites this year.
 
Absolutely! Let's all put the pressure on them too!!!

On probabilities, the predictions seem about fair.
 
i love how we are constantly trying to say we are not favorites when we clearly are, as much as i dont like it. we had decent performances at the world cup even against australia and south africa apart from a couple of brain farts, and we were hit by injury. now we have players back from injury whilst other teams are either going through a new coaching setup or have injuries themselves. logically we are favorites whether we like it or not. but for the most part, we do not! haha. it makes me uneasy as we tend to start off cold as it is, hope that isnt the case this year
 
Could also be that Wales have had a pretty decent record off the back of World Cups, look at 2008 and 2012 as examples, no coach runs post-WC training quite like Gatland.

For what it's worth I also went for Wales to top the group followed by Ireland(http://fourballsblog.blogspot.fr/2016/02/6-nations-2016-key-men-and-predictions_4.html#more), can see this game deciding the winner very early on. England and France with new coaches can't be expected to challenge the guys that have consistently been winning the Championship recently, Italy are completely rebuilding and Scotland just don't have the quality to challenge just yet. This game is pretty huge and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
 
This game is pretty huge and I can't wait to watch it unfold.

cant wait either, the england-scotland game will give us more of an idea of englands chances though. if they win comfortably then they will be tough to beat at home for us and ireland
 
England have the easiest route to a slam, can't see Ireland not slipping up over tomorrow's game, Paris and London and Wales have away trips to the two other contenders. Wouldn't be overly surprised to see 4 wins win it outright this year!
 
.......can't see Ireland not slipping up over tomorrow's game.......!

Now that is positivity......optimistic certainly.......but positive!

Cannot agree, however, as Wales must start favourites and they are the one who would have to slip up if Ireland are to win this one!
 
England have the easiest route to a slam, can't see Ireland not slipping up over tomorrow's game, Paris and London and Wales have away trips to the two other contenders. Wouldn't be overly surprised to see 4 wins win it outright this year!

To be fair your right. I'm guessing Sunday will be physically demanding and then with a day less and an away game to France, who regardless of form we always find tough in Paris, will be a massive demand. I think a Slam gets harder every year due to tactics and way the physicality of game has gone.
 
Now that is positivity......optimistic certainly.......but positive!

Cannot agree, however, as Wales must start favourites and they are the one who would have to slip up if Ireland are to win this one!
?? I think you have misunderstood me. I was saying I can't see Ireland getting through the three games against Wales, France and England without losing! You're not wrong that I'm optimistic though, I do think Ireland will win 2/3 starting tomorrow! Despite being the defending champions of two years Ireland have at best a dark horses tag in this championship, a bit shortsighted considering they haven't lost a competitive home game since 2013 and they have three this year.
 
Now that is positivity......optimistic certainly.......but positive!

Cannot agree, however, as Wales must start favourites and they are the one who would have to slip up if Ireland are to win this one!

They must? Well actually not. They're one point underdogs with the people who this for a living.

Don't let get in the way of your excuses when you lose tomorrow though.
 
They must? Well actually not. They're one point underdogs with the people who this for a living.

Don't let get in the way of your excuses when you lose tomorrow though.

Haha......Have never supported Wales in my life.....a complete neutral......but must say preferred the Irish ladies always!!
 
Schmidt warns refs about Welsh tactics.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ireland-coach-joe-schmidt-fires-10850775


Schmidt also stated Gatland's men were the team in the Six Nations who drew the most penalties from the opposition.

"You don't know what's going to be brought out on the day, and they're a team that make it very difficult," added Schmidt.

"They'll try to trap you in the ruck, they do it a lot.

"I think the very first penalty, if you look back last year, Rhys Webb has plenty of time and plenty of space to play the ball but he picks the ball up and puts it down again next to Paul O'Connell who can't get out of the ruck, looks at the referee, pumps it one more time on the ground and then makes a pass."
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"It is one of those things, a complication when you're playing them. You've got to try and limit that number, if you review that game between Wales and England at the World Cup, there's a number of penalties that I'm sure England would have been disappointed with and that's one of those conundrum."
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"A lot of them last time against Wales came at the scrum and we were exasperated by that, but that's one of those things."
 
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