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2015 World Cup Potential Squads

Wales 32 man squad:

Props: Ryan Bevington, Rob Evans, Rhys Gill, Adam Jones, Samson Lee

I don't think Gethin Jenkins will quite make it to the next world cup. I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that Paul James won't make the cut either. I believe the three looseheads I've picked will be good scrummagers come 2015, and will offer more than James in open play. I know Rob Evans is a big call, but I really like the look of him. No idea why the Scarlets aren't playing him over the rubbish Phil John! I think Samson Lee might well be our starting loosehead come 2015, but Jones will still be around.

Hookers: Ken Owens, Kirby Myhill, Richard Hibbard.

Relatively straight forward here. Wish Owens' form wouldn't go up and down like a yoyo though! Hibbard needs a bit of luck the poor sod. Myhill has huge potential, but needs to work on his throwing (when does a Welsh hooker not have to!) There are some other options, including a third at the Scarlets: Emyr Phillips, and to the probable disgust of Cymro, Scott Baldwin at the O's (I like him!). Sam Parry should not be discounted, nor should Rhys Williams.

Second Rows: Alun-Wyn Jones, Macauley Cook, Luke Charteris, James King.

I am really undecided here. There are some excellent young second rows on the cusp of breaking through at the regions. I like the look of Cook and King in particular (King might be viewed as a back-rower though). Ian Evans' form has dipped again, but if he can get it back to 6 Nations levels and maintain it, he'd probably make it instead of one of the others. Bradley isn't firing. He needs to start carrying the ball again like he was in '09.

Back-rows: Dan Lydiate, Aaron Shingler, Sam Warburton, Justin Tipuric, Toby Faletau.

The back-row is already incredibly young, so I can see them developing as a unit and all still involved come 2015 (unless the rumours about Sam's problems with concussion are true). There will be plenty of players nipping at the heels though, the likes of: Pretorius, Patterson, Navidi, Hamilton, Sam Lewis, Morgan Allen, Turnbull, Murphy and McCusker.

Scrum halfs: Lloyd Williams, Tom Habberfield, Gareth Davies.

I know Draggs keeps on going about another Scarlets scrum half (Gareth Williams?), and there was the Aled Davies that came on on the weekend that the commentator hyped up, but at the moment Gareth Davies is the outstanding option at the Scarlets. He makes mistakes, but he will mature. I still think Webb might be able to make it, I like his style of play, but he'd have to stop doing the completely mental things that plague his game atm. Knoyle is a decent 9, but hasn't developed as expected. Hopefully Phillips won't still be involved, I really want to see some proper scrum halves play for Wales again.

Outside halfs: Matthew Morgan, Dan Biggar, James Hook.

This is the most difficult position to predict. Part of me doubt whether Morgan will ever make it at international level, but I still hope. I really wanted to include Patchell, but couldn't justify him in front of these three, but if Morgan does prove to be too small or Biggar cannot make the step-up, then Patchell looks like a good shout. There's always Tovey to consider as well, and Priestland could yet return to form I suppose. Do I dare raise the name of Gavin Henson? Would he play at 10 for Wales though?

Centres: Jamie Roberts, Jon Davies, Ashley Beck, An Other.

The first three pick themselves. Roberts needs to adapt his game (and be allowed to by the Blues and Welsh management), and Davies still has areas of his game to improve upon, namely his defence. Beck will come good, I'm sure of it, and will provide a more creative option in midfield. Who else though? Scott Williams is hit and miss. He's a very decent player, and may well develop into a better one, but I just feel that we can do better. I think we are really lacking a fast, nimble centre in the mould of a young Jamie Robinson to compliment the other three. There aren't many like that coming through at the moment, possible the Scarlets duo of Reynolds and Warren best fit the bill, but I'm far from convinced with either yet. Jack Dixon and Owen Williams aren't bad either. Corry Allen is a young player with plenty of potential (why the Blues don't play him already is a mystery), but he's another bulky centre. There could always be the option of moving North infield, especially now that a few more wingers have started to emerge. Despite being a big admirer, it's not looking likely that Gareth Owen will make a test player :(. There's always Gavin Henson, but he doesn't fit the fast, nimble part, but along with Beck would introduce some much needed creativity to our midfield.

Back three: George North, Alex Cuthbert, Leigh Halfpenny, Liam Williams, Hanno Dirksen.

I wanted to make room for Tom Prydie or Harry Robinson, but couldn't leave any of those named out. North will develop into one of the best players on the planet, I'm certain of that. I thought Liam Williams stepped up to international rugby well, but has shown that he's got work to do to become an international fullback, especially under the high ball. I love Dirksen, I don't like it that we've 'poached' him from the USA/SA, but he's too good to pass-up. Others worth mentioning are Eli Walker, Morgan Stoddart and Richard Fussell (still developing as a player).

There will hopefully be 10 or so new players putting their hands up come 2015, but this is what I see happening taking into account the age of the current players, and the potential of the young players I've seen. Sorry Dragons, I've not seen many players that have really caught my eye recently. There are a few that are OK, Adam Hughes for instance, but they fail to perform on a regular basis.
 
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England...

Props: Alex Corbisiero, Mako Vunipola, Dan Cole, Shaun Knight, Dave Wilson

Corbs and Cole are our best two props and young enough. Marler hasn't made the impression people were hoping for, think he's going to lose out to Vunipola, who seems just as agile but 2 stone bigger. Our tighthead options aren't all that at the moment, Henry Thomas keeps getting injured, Wilson isn't challenging Cole at all - so punting on Knight making it big. Wilson made it in at the last moment as with 2 prop benches you need someone to cover for knocks, Wilson can do a job on both sides. Ish.

Hookers:

Hartley, Youngs, Brooker

Self-evident until the last one, think he's the best of the crop at Quins and will have more opportunities to shine there than Webber at Bath

Locks: Parling, Launchbury, Lawes, Matthews

Our three best locks and the guy who I think will be the next one to break through, Matthews is genuinely big unlike the others and offers an option that should take him ahead of people like Savage, Kitchener, Kruis et al. Garvey will probably continue to be ignored unless he moves to a big club.

Back-row: Croft, Wood, Robshaw, Morgan, Vunipola

Our best back rows currently, and the guy who should be the next best 8 to emerge. Right now, I don't feel like anyone's going to break into the back row reckoning in time.

Scrum-halfs: Care, Youngs, Dickson

Ho-hum

Fly-halfs: Burns, Ford

Gambler's choice

Centres: Twelvetrees, Barritt, Tuilagi, Joseph

Should be obvious

Back three: Foden, Brown, May, Wade, Eastmond

Pace *****es! And Fightin' Mike Brown.

Agree with most of this, however I'd say looking ahead you need to add Ford into the mix for sure, if he can get some regular game time and develop a bit over through the season I'd predict him going to Argentina in the summer (which the cream of the EPL is with the Lions) and then who knows.

I'd also hope that Dixon or Youngs don't make it. Nothing against Dixon as a player but I reckon there will be better and younger guys kicking around in three years. Youngs offends me so that is a personal bias choice.

Also biased here but I like the way Daly plays so I'm rooting for him.

Finally we can all hope Steffon Armitage comes back from France, in which case he makes it into the 23 at least.
 
NZ Squad (32):

Props (5): Owen Franks, Tony Woodcock, Charlie Faumuina, Wyatt Crockett, Ben Afeaki
Hookers (3): Andrew Hore, Dane Coles, Ben Funnell
Locks (4): Sam Whitelock, Luke Romano, Brodie Retalick, Dominic Bird
Loose Forwards (5): Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Victor Vito, Brad Shields, Steven Luatua
Halfbacks (3): Aaron Smith, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara
First Fives (3): Dan Carter, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Cruden
Centre (4): Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Richard Kahui, Sonny Bill Williams
Outside Backs (5): Israel Dagg, Julian Savea, Charles Piutau, Ben Smith, Cory Jane

Can't disagree with the props too much - however I wouldn't be suprised to see Ben Franks, Toomaga-Allan or even Ofa Tuungafasi be in the team. Thought Afeaki certainly took a backwards step this season - not helped by injury. Toomaga-Allan was probably the pick of the props in the last ITM Cup.

Not too sure why Hore would continue longer than Mealamu - he's a bit older (although perhaps less injury prone?). Think Coltman and Quentin McDonald are both better shouts than Ben Funnell who I think will still be stuck behind Flynn for a few more seasons.

As far as I can predict you have the locks right.

I think McCaw will be in the next World Cup squad whether his body holds out or not. Clearly Hansen has made every indication that McCaw will be looked after as best as possible till 2015 (and he's signed on till then). Other than that I also think Luke Braid would be in for a shout. Fan of both Shields and Luatua but would be suprised if they're both there.

Halfback would seem obvious but the last few years we've seen some extremely young and talented halfbacks come though. I doubt/hope Weepu won't be there - same for Leonard and Ellis. I'm a massive fan of TJ Peranara so I hope he'll be there. Aaron Smith has been good this year - despite some pretty obvious flaws in his game like aimless box kicking and not being able to control the tempo of the game very well. Tawera Kerr-Barlow still seems pretty messy to me - lot of natural talent but puts himself under pressure. Wouldn't be suprised to see one of the three miss out to someone like Bryn Hall, Jamison Gibson-Park or Augustine Pulu.

Think you've got the 1st 5/8ths spot on. Carter just won IRB Player of the year - so I'm sure at the minimum he'll be good enough for the All Blacks bench come 2015. The other two are also the two most promising and likely players to join him.

In terms of the centres - I personally don't want Sonny Bill Williams to come back. Would rather a player earn his position then get given it. Again. With that being said I'm not convinced that anyone can predict what he'll be doing in three years - other than following his whims. Even with him there that midfield is depressingly old. Hopefully someone like Jason Emery becomes amazing quickly - as why Conrad Smith is the best at the moment - he'll be 34 come the RWC - with Nonu being 33. And Ma'a Nonu already looks to me like he's lost a lot of the explosiveness that he had. Kahui is a very classy player who'll only just be 30 come the next RWC. Problem is he'll also have been broken and glue'd back together every 3 or so games. Think Ben Smith may make the move to midfield which can only be good for him.

The back three I predict a little differently. Cory Jane is a very good wing - but he's quite old now and he's not the quickest winger going. The next RWC he'll be 33 - which I think may be a little too long for Jane despite how good he is. Both Dagg and Savea I'm fairly sure will be there as you mentioned. Piutau I've liked since seeing him in the Baby Blacks - but I think people are jumping the gun a bit with him. Personally I think Tim Nanai-Williams is equally as good a player (wish he was used at fullback more for the Chiefs as he's no where near as good on the wing). There are always some pretty decent young wingers that come around every year - so who knows who'll be there. Maybe someone like Waisake Naholo absolutely calves up next Super Rugby season. I also rate Andre Taylor pretty highly - so he may get a shot. So long as it's not Adam Whitelock then we're safe.
 
Not too unrealistic, Dull.
Rob Evans had an injury at the start of the season, BTW. Don't forget Rhodri Jones!

Hookers seem about right. Maybe Scott Baldwin for Ken Owens, who hasn't really shone this season. Sam Parry is another coming through decently.

Not sure about Cook. He is going to have a hard time getting time over Davies, Reed, and Down. He also has Screech and Hill as competitors. King might be better off on the blindside.

Back row looks spot on right now. We could see Daniel Thomas come into play as well, by 2015, for the openside shirt.

Rhodri Williams is the one Dull, I've heard some good things about him. Don't like Gareth Davies, makes stupid, amateur errors. Keep an eye on Jonathan Evans. Does well for us with an awful pack.

Morgan and Patchell seem to be fighting for the 'third' spot. Patchells's experience at inside centre and fullback might seem him make the squad.

I hope we have better centres than Roberts and Davies by 2015! Ben John and Jack Dixon are two who are coming along decently.

I'd rather see Prydie over Dirksen. Can cover wing and fullback and offers another goalkicker. Hallam Amos might be a decent player by then, but we have a few years to go.

@Stormer. Good squad. Only change would be Reinach/Groom for Hougaard/Vermaak. Other than that, it looks to be a pretty potent mix.
 
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Forgot about Rhodri Jones. His progress may depend on whether he's still viewed as a potential tighthead or not. If Gatland is insistent on moving him, then he may struggle, but if he's just left to play in his natural position of looshead he will develop nicely. Shall we say two of Bevington, Rob Evans and Rhodri Jones.

Despite Ken Owens having an ordinary season for the Scarlets so far, I thought he stepped up for Wales and showed how useful his carrying game can be. I'm a fan of Baldwin as well, so we'll see how he progresses now that he's back from injury. Awesome work-rate on that lad.

I personally like Cook, but he's not been given a huge amount of time for the Blues. I haven't been that impressed with Down this season, and I don't understand why the Blues don't try one of the other young locks they have available. Screech and Hill look like quality options as well, and the Blues need to give them game-time to see who will step-up. Agree that King might be better suited at blind-side, let's wait and see.

Yeah Daniel Thomas is another possible openside. The Scarlets are idiots not to play him over Jon Edwards. We may have as many as five quality opensides by 2015 (Warburton, Tipuric, Navidi, Lewis and Thomas) if they continue to develop. Maybe we can one-up Aus by playing opensides in the second-row as well as in the back-row? :p

I don't think we should be ruling our Gareth Davies just yet. He's making errors at the moment, but he could easily iron those out. His all-round game otherwise is very good. Whatever happens it looks likely that one quality scrum-half will emerge from the Scarlets.

Morgan is slowly but surely getting to grips with professional rugby. I have no problem that he's a specialist outhalf, at least he won't be messed around playing him in 10 other positions. Jury's out on him though. I like Patchell as well. Hopefully both develop so we can have more competition for the spot in a year or so.

Roberts and Davies are both quality centres imo. Roberts needs to be allowed to adapt. I believe he has more to his game, but is being asked to play a certain way because that's what Wales' game plan has been based around. Davies has a lot of great attributes, and he made a difference after coming back into the Wales team imo. His tackling stats weren't happy reading through, and he can still be rather selfish on the ball. We need to see much more of Ben John and Dixon. John should easily be in the O's squad ahead of Isaacs, and should be pushing Bishop for his spot, but he's not being given opportunities. I'm sure Dixon will see plenty of game time, so we should be able to assess him.

I'd have Dirksen over Prydie atm. We don't need Prydi's kicking if Halfpenny and/or Biggar is there. Not sure another player to cover fullback is required either. I really do like Dirksen though, so I may be a bit biased here.
 
I'd cry if Baldwin was to get a place over Owens. Just because his form is not good now doesn't mean he will be terrible in 2015.

Roberts and Davies will be around one of them in the squad will be needed, they are not that bad and will have good experience.
 
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Baldwin has plenty of time to develop.
Looks a decent lad, and isn't a turk. ;)
 
Wales 32 man squad:

Props: Ryan Bevington, Rob Evans, Rhys Gill, Adam Jones, Samson Lee

I don't think Gethin Jenkins will quite make it to the next world cup. I'm going out on a limb and suggesting that Paul James won't make the cut either. I believe the three looseheads I've picked will be good scrummagers come 2015, and will offer more than James in open play. I know Rob Evans is a big call, but I really like the look of him. No idea why the Scarlets aren't playing him over the rubbish Phil John! I think Samson Lee might well be our starting loosehead come 2015, but Jones will still be around.

I think at least one of Craig Mitchell or Aaron Jarvis would be involved in 2015. They've looked the most likely out of all the contenders to fill in Adam's boots in the last few years.

Hookers: Ken Owens, Kirby Myhill, Richard Hibbard.

Relatively straight forward here. Wish Owens' form wouldn't go up and down like a yoyo though! Hibbard needs a bit of luck the poor sod. Myhill has huge potential, but needs to work on his throwing (when does a Welsh hooker not have to!) There are some other options, including a third at the Scarlets: Emyr Phillips, and to the probable disgust of Cymro, Scott Baldwin at the O's (I like him!). Sam Parry should not be discounted, nor should Rhys Williams.

I'm with you on Baldwin. Very decent carrier and excellent around the park.

Second Rows: Alun-Wyn Jones, Macauley Cook, Luke Charteris, James King.

I am really undecided here. There are some excellent young second rows on the cusp of breaking through at the regions. I like the look of Cook and King in particular (King might be viewed as a back-rower though). Ian Evans' form has dipped again, but if he can get it back to 6 Nations levels and maintain it, he'd probably make it instead of one of the others. Bradley isn't firing. He needs to start carrying the ball again like he was in '09.

At least one of Davies and Evans would be involved I imagine, and I think Lloyd Peers is in with a shout. Very excited about James King and what he can do, but I think he'll be a No.6 more than a second row. That utility aspect could be what secures his position though, as a natural replacement for Ryan Jones. I know Shingler covers multiple positions, but his style of play is a bit different to King and Ryan.

Back-rows: Dan Lydiate, Aaron Shingler, Sam Warburton, Justin Tipuric, Toby Faletau.

The back-row is already incredibly young, so I can see them developing as a unit and all still involved come 2015 (unless the rumours about Sam's problems with concussion are true). There will be plenty of players nipping at the heels though, the likes of: Pretorius, Patterson, Navidi, Hamilton, Sam Lewis, Morgan Allen, Turnbull, Murphy and McCusker.

Hard to see much changing here. I don't think Turnbull or McCusker have got what it takes, not sure Morgan Allen will at the top level either. There could be a relative surprise in there. Dan Baker looked very good for the U20s, so he could be an option by then, depending on how he progresses at the Os?

Scrum halfs: Lloyd Williams, Tom Habberfield, Gareth Davies.

I know Draggs keeps on going about another Scarlets scrum half (Gareth Williams?), and there was the Aled Davies that came on on the weekend that the commentator hyped up, but at the moment Gareth Davies is the outstanding option at the Scarlets. He makes mistakes, but he will mature. I still think Webb might be able to make it, I like his style of play, but he'd have to stop doing the completely mental things that plague his game atm. Knoyle is a decent 9, but hasn't developed as expected. Hopefully Phillips won't still be involved, I really want to see some proper scrum halves play for Wales again.

Probably our weakest position. I like what I've seen from all three players you mention, and I think it will actually help Wales to have to adapt their playing style to not having a Mile Phillips style scrum half. Let's face it, the majority of scrum halves aren't built like back row forwards, so putting so much emphasis on having a Phillips is causing problems when he's not there.

Outside halfs: Matthew Morgan, Dan Biggar, James Hook.

This is the most difficult position to predict. Part of me doubt whether Morgan will ever make it at international level, but I still hope. I really wanted to include Patchell, but couldn't justify him in front of these three, but if Morgan does prove to be too small or Biggar cannot make the step-up, then Patchell looks like a good shout. There's always Tovey to consider as well, and Priestland could yet return to form I suppose. Do I dare raise the name of Gavin Henson? Would he play at 10 for Wales though?

I don't think Morgan will be a Wales 10. Not because of his size, I'm just not sure his kicking game or decision making is up there. Like Rhys Webb, he's full of natural talent, and there is still plenty of time to develop, but I think at times he gets his team into trouble. Everything seems a bit 'forced'. I think in the next 18 months we might see the Ospreys look to use him elsewhere, on the wing or possibly even at 9, and let Sam Davies take over as second choice. He might not have the obvious flair of Morgan, but from what I've seen he's got a fabulous pass and does the simple things well. A more 'relaxed' 10 who just concentrates on putting team mates through gaps and playing in the right part of the field. Hook will be there, probably covering tighthead and second row by that point as well.

Centres: Jamie Roberts, Jon Davies, Ashley Beck, An Other.

The first three pick themselves. Roberts needs to adapt his game (and be allowed to by the Blues and Welsh management), and Davies still has areas of his game to improve upon, namely his defence. Beck will come good, I'm sure of it, and will provide a more creative option in midfield. Who else though? Scott Williams is hit and miss. He's a very decent player, and may well develop into a better one, but I just feel that we can do better. I think we are really lacking a fast, nimble centre in the mould of a young Jamie Robinson to compliment the other three. There aren't many like that coming through at the moment, possible the Scarlets duo of Reynolds and Warren best fit the bill, but I'm far from convinced with either yet. Jack Dixon and Owen Williams aren't bad either. Corry Allen is a young player with plenty of potential (why the Blues don't play him already is a mystery), but he's another bulky centre. There could always be the option of moving North infield, especially now that a few more wingers have started to emerge. Despite being a big admirer, it's not looking likely that Gareth Owen will make a test player :(. There's always Gavin Henson, but he doesn't fit the fast, nimble part, but along with Beck would introduce some much needed creativity to our midfield.

Think the big question here is whether Roberts' body can actually make it to 2015. Can see Henson, if he has a solid couple of years, definitely being involved as I think he has that extra ability that you can't afford to cast aside. One other option for the 4th spot is George North, who could be absolutely devastating alongside the right partner, possibly Ashley Beck as the most likely candidate.

Back three: George North, Alex Cuthbert, Leigh Halfpenny, Liam Williams, Hanno Dirksen.

I wanted to make room for Tom Prydie or Harry Robinson, but couldn't leave any of those named out. North will develop into one of the best players on the planet, I'm certain of that. I thought Liam Williams stepped up to international rugby well, but has shown that he's got work to do to become an international fullback, especially under the high ball. I love Dirksen, I don't like it that we've 'poached' him from the USA/SA, but he's too good to pass-up. Others worth mentioning are Eli Walker, Morgan Stoddart and Richard Fussell (still developing as a player).

As you yourself mentioned with Gareth Owen for the centres, I don't think Prydie has the ability to play test rugby. Possibly an issue with the top two inches for both of them. Robinson is a flyer for sure so could be interesting. If North were to move into the centre, then Eli Walker has this season started justifying the hype. Last he season he looked a bit small and naive, but he's bulked up a bit and started really running some nice support lines. Out of all the young pretenders, he's the one who looks like he might be able to step someone in a phonebox. Liam Williams will definitely be there if a) he learns how to catch a high ball and b) he improves his kicking game. All the flair and exuberance, so hopefully a bit more experience can get him on track. Would be good if he stopped picking fights with every other player on the pitch as well.
 
I'm basing this on what I've seen of our youngsters at the JWC's for the last two years and young guys who have been performing well when given a shot at PRO12 level. Guys who I think will start are in italics. Again this is just based on what I've seen at present, but as has happened many times before, guys who look incredible at underage level can flatter to deceive for the seniors. Conway and Macken at Leinster come to mind, both have still to impress at even PRO12 level.

Props : Cian Healy, Dave Kilcoyne, Mike Ross, Tadgh Furlong(gonna be a superstar), Michael Bent
Hookers : Richardt Strauss, Rory Best, Mike Sherry
Locks : Donncha Ryan, Iain Henderson, Ryan Caldwell, Mike McCarthy
Back-row : Sean O'Brien, Stephen Ferris, Jamie Heaslip, Peter O'Mahony, I think one of Dan Leavy or Conor Gilsenan will work there way into the Irish team, both are out and out sevens and both are extremely highly rated, we'll just have to wait and see.
Scrum-Half : Conor Murray, Paul Marshall, Luke McGrath
Out-Half : Jonathan Sexton, Paddy Jackson, Ian Madigan
Centres : Jared Payne, Luke Marshall, JJ Hanrahan, Fergus McFadden
Back Three : Tommy Bowe, Craig Gilroy, Simon Zebo, Rob Kearney, Keith Earls

That's how I'd like it at the moment, of course things will be completley different in the coming years. I'm convinced Jared Payne will be our starting 13 though. With that being said I imagine our team will look something like this :

15 Rob Kearney/Simon Zebo
14 Tommy Bowe
13 Jared Payne
12 JJ Hanrahan/Luke Marshall
11 Craig Gilroy
10 Jonathan Sexton
9 Conor Murray
8 Sean O'Brien
7 Dan Leavy/Conor Gilsenan
6 Stephen Ferris
5 Iain Henderson
4 Donncha Ryan
3 Tadgh Furlong
2 Richardt Strauss
1 Cian Healy

16 Rory Best
17 Dave Kilcoyne
18 Michael Bent
19 Paul O'Connell
20 Jamie Heaslip
21 Paul Marshall
22 Paddy Jackson
23 Keith Earls

Silly to even try to guess what the teams are going to be now, but hey it's either this or studying.
 
That time again where someone posts a thread to get a bit of banter going, with the international season coming to a close for another year. Predict the squads/XV's for the 2015 World Cup, and try and give an indication why.

NZ Squad (32):

Props (5): Owen Franks, Tony Woodcock, Charlie Faumuina, Wyatt Crockett, Ben Afeaki
Hookers (3): Andrew Hore, Dane Coles, Ben Funnell
Locks (4): Sam Whitelock, Luke Romano, Brodie Retalick, Dominic Bird
Loose Forwards (5): Kieran Read, Sam Cane, Victor Vito, Brad Shields, Steven Luatua
Halfbacks (3): Aaron Smith, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara
First Fives (3): Dan Carter, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Cruden
Centre (4): Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Richard Kahui, Sonny Bill Williams
Outside Backs (5): Israel Dagg, Julian Savea, Charles Piutau, Ben Smith, Cory Jane

Props: Only non-current All Black is Ben Afeaki, who has been within the selector's sights for a wee while. If he can stay injury free this coming season he'll have a good shot and getting a few tests as soon as next year. Another potential player is Toby Smith, also from the Chiefs, who is a strong scrummager and fantastic round the field. If the selectors have any reservations about Crockett, Smith is an adequate replacement.

Hookers: Hore and Mealamu won't both go all the way to 2015. Coles looks to have the potential to go the long haul in the black jersey. Other potential hookers are Ben Funnell, Liam Coltman and Hika Elliot. Ben Funnell looks to have a good chance, as he'll have the best opportunity to get a starting berth in Super Rugby next season with only Corey Flynn ahead of him.

Locks: The current three top locks are NZ's best, and a fourth lock will be added at some point, presumably in the place of Ali Williams who may last another year. Dominic Bird has all the characteristics to push through, providing he can get some starts for the Crusaders. Brad Thorn is also too old to make it through to 2015.

Loose Forwards: Major call here is to cut Richie McCaw. I don't think his body will last until 2015. Sam Cane is a very able replacement. Brad Shields and Steve Luatua are fantastic blindside flanker options, who should make some more great progress this coming Super season. One of them will probably be in the next All Blacks squad, in place of Adam Thomson. Ardie Savea is an option too, though I'm not yet convinced by him.

Halfbacks: Pretty self explanatory. Weepu will be gone soon.

First Fives: Current crop. Also fairly self explanatory.

Centres: Will SBW back? Possibly. If he's true to his word it sounds like he'll try to make a return to NZ before the next World Cup in order to win a place in the squad. As there are no obvious centre options outside of the main three plus Ben Smith, I think SBW has a good chance of making it. Francis Saili is another option. I think Piutau and Dan Carter are also capable of covering the midfield.

Outside Backs: Though there may be room for another back somewhere, I think the guys I've selected will cover the positions adequately. Kahui can also cover wing, of course. Likewise SBW has been used there, at times.

1 Woodcock
2 Hore
3 Franks
4 Romano
5 Whitelock
6 Shields
7 Cane
8 Read (c)
9 Smith
10 Carter
11 Savea
12 SBW
13 Kahui
14 Jane
15 Dagg
16 Coles
17 Crockett
18 Faumuina
19 Retalick
20 Vito
21 Kerr-Barlow
22 Cruden
23 Piutau

Will Woodcock not be 200 years old by the next WC?
 
I think at least one of Craig Mitchell or Aaron Jarvis would be involved in 2015. They've looked the most likely out of all the contenders to fill in Adam's boots in the last few years.

Craig Mitchell is a good option. He needs to get a year of injury free rugby under his belt, because he's been devastated with injury since moving from the O's. I think Jarvis is a decent little player, but he's far from anything special. If Samson Lee doesn't overtake him soon, I'd be very surprised.

At least one of Davies and Evans would be involved I imagine, and I think Lloyd Peers is in with a shout. Very excited about James King and what he can do, but I think he'll be a No.6 more than a second row. That utility aspect could be what secures his position though, as a natural replacement for Ryan Jones. I know Shingler covers multiple positions, but his style of play is a bit different to King and Ryan.

You're probably right re Davies and Evans. Davies isn't doing enough at present in my opinion though, especially for the Blues. With the O's lacking depth in the back-row King will most likely predominantly play at 6, you're right. Exciting prospect indeed.

Hard to see much changing here. I don't think Turnbull or McCusker have got what it takes, not sure Morgan Allen will at the top level either. There could be a relative surprise in there. Dan Baker looked very good for the U20s, so he could be an option by then, depending on how he progresses at the Os?

Agree with this as well on second thought. Turnbull just doesn't cut it, whilst McCusker isn't living up to his early promise. Both are being hampered somewhat by playing out of position at the Scarlets, as both are blindsides, but Shingler is the Scarlets best option in that regard. Scarlets should be playing a Shingler - Dan Thomas - Murphy back-row, but will instead continue playing an out of balance back-row with 3 6's in it!

I don't think Morgan will be a Wales 10. Not because of his size, I'm just not sure his kicking game or decision making is up there. Like Rhys Webb, he's full of natural talent, and there is still plenty of time to develop, but I think at times he gets his team into trouble. Everything seems a bit 'forced'. I think in the next 18 months we might see the Ospreys look to use him elsewhere, on the wing or possibly even at 9, and let Sam Davies take over as second choice. He might not have the obvious flair of Morgan, but from what I've seen he's got a fabulous pass and does the simple things well. A more 'relaxed' 10 who just concentrates on putting team mates through gaps and playing in the right part of the field. Hook will be there, probably covering tighthead and second row by that point as well.

I'm still undecided here. I like Morgan, but agree that some of what he does get's the O's in trouble, and his defence is still shocking at times. I'm not sure about Sam Davies either. Didn't think all that much of him at U20 level, and although he did well in the LV a few weeks back, he needs to show that there is more to his game than a good pass. He's a similar type of player to Biggar. Time will tell on both counts.

Think the big question here is whether Roberts' body can actually make it to 2015. Can see Henson, if he has a solid couple of years, definitely being involved as I think he has that extra ability that you can't afford to cast aside. One other option for the 4th spot is George North, who could be absolutely devastating alongside the right partner, possibly Ashley Beck as the most likely candidate.

Roberts' body might well not hold up too much longer. He also hinted that he may chose to quit rugby early and pursue his medical career, so we'll have to see. I think we may see him still involved at the next WC, possibly retiring afterwards. Bringing North into 13 is starting to sound very tempting again. He's got the build for it that's for sure. A Beck - North combo could be very tasty. I just can't decide if it's worth it, considering he can already come infield and attack that channel and his finishing is possibly too good to overlook on the wing. A test that might need to be carried out at some stage.

As you yourself mentioned with Gareth Owen for the centres, I don't think Prydie has the ability to play test rugby. Possibly an issue with the top two inches for both of them. Robinson is a flyer for sure so could be interesting. If North were to move into the centre, then Eli Walker has this season started justifying the hype. Last he season he looked a bit small and naive, but he's bulked up a bit and started really running some nice support lines. Out of all the young pretenders, he's the one who looks like he might be able to step someone in a phonebox. Liam Williams will definitely be there if a) he learns how to catch a high ball and b) he improves his kicking game. All the flair and exuberance, so hopefully a bit more experience can get him on track. Would be good if he stopped picking fights with every other player on the pitch as well.

I don't think Prydie should be ruled out. He didn't look out of place for Wales at the age of 17. He's only now getting a run of games at regional level and is having an impact. Eli Walker has certainly upped it this season, looking forward to see him develop.

Also, no way should Liam Williams tone things down. It's one of his best attributes imo. Dad compared him to JPR the other day, and it's a decent comparison. Both not afraid to get involved that's for sure.
 
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I hope Beast will be alright. If he can't play for the Bokke that will be a shame but I hope he doesn't have heart problems outside of rugby.

RE Spies it's interesting that your Bulls bias doesn't go for either of Botha or Stander both who I feel are already better 8's than Spies at the Bulls (okay, so Stander is at Munster currently).

I really do believe that one of Schoeman and/or Kriel will overtake both Brussow (if he manages to stay fit) and Flouw (even if he comes back to SA) in the openside department and both are just more all round players. I'm hoping Kolisi can grow into that role for the Stormers as he is strong over the ball and offers a lot in general but his first instinct is to hold the man up and drive him back rather than go low and go for the ball which is something that I hope he adds to his arsenal and then I'd love for him to play for the Bokke.

Stander was told he was too small to play for SA, so I'd rule him out. You'll be happy to know he'll still most likely get to play in a green shirt though. Here's the interview

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/1130/1224327299947.html
 
If North were to move into the centre, then Eli Walker has this season started justifying the hype. Last he season he looked a bit small and naive, but he's bulked up a bit and started really running some nice support lines. Out of all the young pretenders, he's the one who looks like he might be able to step someone in a phonebox.

Who hyped Eli Walker?

I actually consider him one of the less hyped Welsh wingers, I even heard some writing him off last season before just after he had begun his career and didn't do so well.

It is Tom Prydie, Kristian Phillips and Harry Robinson who were the ones who were/are mega hyped at a very young age.
 
Who hyped Eli Walker?

I actually consider him one of the less hyped Welsh wingers, I even heard some writing him off last season before just after he had begun his career and didn't do so well.

It is Tom Prydie, Kristian Phillips and Harry Robinson who were the ones who were/are mega hyped at a very young age.

Me, but only because he was dire in defence. He has yet to be tested there by a top side lately, so we will see.
We've got stacks of wings that can gain ground and jink and ****, but we need some with all round skill. Prydie's boot could make him a good asset on the wing, he just needs to work on his highball skills.
Liam Williams seems to be missing the top two as they say. He could be in a back three with Brew/Czekaj/James/Stoddart. He has a tendency to go for some off the ball shots. Not a fan, not composed enough for international rugby.

Luke Morgan has slipped under the radar lately. Pretty much same height/weight as Robinson, and quick as hell from reports. Ospreys prefer Isaacs/Grabham on the wing, seemingly.
 
I'm going to be really liberal with my selections. I'm also going to include some things I don't like such as project players and guys still in school. May look more like a 2019 squad

Props: Cian Healy, Michael Bent, Dave Kilcoyne, Tadgh Furlong, Jack McGrath

Hookers: Rory Best, Richardt Strauss, Sean Cronin

Locks: Donncha Ryan, Iain Henderson, Devin Toner, Ian Nagle, Tagh Beirne/Mark Flanagan/Dave Foley/Billy Holland

Backrows: Stephen Ferris, Sean O'Brien, Jamie Heaslip, Conor Gilsenan, Jack Conan, CJ Stander

Scrumhalves: Keiron Marmion, Luke McGrath, Paul Marshall

Outhalves: Jonathan Sexton, Paddy Jackson, Ian Madigan

Centres: JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall, Jared Payne, Jordan Coughlan, Luke Fitzgerald

Wings: Tommy Bowe, Craig Gilroy, Keith Earls, Simon Zebo, Andrew Conway

Fullbacks: Rob Kearney, Billy Dardis

Too big for a wolrd cup, badly balanced and a huge Leinster bias ah well. just throwing some names out there really.
 
I'm going to be really liberal with my selections. I'm also going to include some things I don't like such as project players and guys still in school. May look more like a 2019 squad

Props: Cian Healy, Michael Bent, Dave Kilcoyne, Tadgh Furlong, Jack McGrath

Hookers: Rory Best, Richardt Strauss, Sean Cronin

Locks: Donncha Ryan, Iain Henderson, Devin Toner, Ian Nagle, Tagh Beirne/Mark Flanagan/Dave Foley/Billy Holland

Backrows: Stephen Ferris, Sean O'Brien, Jamie Heaslip, Conor Gilsenan, Jack Conan, CJ Stander

Scrumhalves: Keiron Marmion, Luke McGrath, Paul Marshall

Outhalves: Jonathan Sexton, Paddy Jackson, Ian Madigan

Centres: JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall, Jared Payne, Jordan Coughlan, Luke Fitzgerald

Wings: Tommy Bowe, Craig Gilroy, Keith Earls, Simon Zebo, Andrew Conway

Fullbacks: Rob Kearney, Billy Dardis

Too big for a wolrd cup, badly balanced and a huge Leinster bias ah well. just throwing some names out there really.

Don't think Ferris will make it somehow. He's injured again.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/1205/1224327551880.html
 
It's almost got to the point where I actually don't consider him a part of the Ulster squad, if I'm thinking about the next game I never really consider him for the backrow. Shame really.


Edit: What about Chris Henry? He's very underrated IMO, he made the most tackles in the Argentina game and is very good at the breakdown. Can play 8 too if needed.
 
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