[2015 RWC] Semi Final 2: Australia vs. Argentina (25/10/2015)

Superalexmarket · Oct 20, 2015

Scott Sio is out for the next match, good news for the argentine scrum.

petite · Oct 20, 2015

Cruz_del_Sur said:
Quade. It's not even a contest.

yep quade has this cristiano ronaldish thing that makes him way worse

ENZED-88 · Oct 20, 2015

Cruz_del_Sur said:
Quade. It's not even a contest.

I must be the only kiwi who likes Quade (apart from his parents). I would have to say biggar is more unlikeable than Quade, he has one of those faces you just wanna slap.

RoosTah · Oct 20, 2015

ENZED-88 said:
I must be the only kiwi who likes Quade (apart from his parents). I would have to say biggar is more unlikeable than Quade, he has one of those faces you just wanna slap.

I've grown to like Quade a lot more as a bloke over the past couple years - I honestly think he's matured a tonne and has worked hard on aspects of his play. But I still find him unnerving to watch play... he still crabs across field way too much and has a tendency to lose composure when defenses put pressure on him.

ABs2011 · Oct 20, 2015

Redcatstorm said:
I think what Pocock adds is a phase lock on the opponent, you wont get 11 12 13 phases with him on the field he shuts them down at 5 or 6.

This is massive when defending deep in your half it stops the opponent being able to build pressure.

But you are right he doesn't add a lot in an attacking sense.

Pocock certainly gets his fair share of turn overs, but watching OZ v Scotland I was convinced that the biggest impact he would have had, would have been to slow down the ball Scotland were getting. That first try of theirs was off the back of sustained quick ball over multiple phases resulting in a complete breakdown in the OZ ruck defence. I just cant imagine that same try would have been scored if Pocock was on the field. Who knows if he would have gotten a TO, but I'm damn sure he would have slowed down their ball enough to let his defence get organised. Also like any good loosie, if sh ! t was really hitting the fan he likely would have infringed to shut things down all together.

I am almost certain we will not see Argentina gaining the same sort of accendency in attack, that same quick ball, and that same number of phases in possession if Pocock is on the filed.

Horacito · Oct 20, 2015

I don't think you're overstimating Pocock's importance in AUS, but I think you're doing it on the game. He is a world class player, but I think our back row Lobbe Legui Matera/ Lobbe Senatore Matera / Lobbe Isa Matera is better than Pocock+ Michael Hooper

Matera and Lobbe are specialists on breakdown, and Isa is good at that, and Creevy is top as well (if he plays this match anyways).

ENZED-88 · Oct 20, 2015

sanzar said:
I've grown to like Quade a lot more as a bloke over the past couple years - I honestly think he's matured a tonne and has worked hard on aspects of his play. But I still find him unnerving to watch play... he still crabs across field way too much and has a tendency to lose composure when defenses put pressure on him.

For sure he's hard done by in both the Nz and Aus media, and he has gone backwards in his play. Back in 2011 he was THE MAN don't care what anyone says . But he was part if that pack of young players him Beale and Occonor who were just like everyone is at that age, idiots . He's come a long way since then but the media don't seem to forget. Plus he was banging Steph Rice so thumbs up from me.

ABs2011 · Oct 20, 2015

sanzar said:
I've grown to like Quade a lot more as a bloke over the past couple years - I honestly think he's matured a tonne and has worked hard on aspects of his play. But I still find him unnerving to watch play... he still crabs across field way too much and has a tendency to lose composure when defenses put pressure on him.

I could care less about what he is like as a bloke, but I tell you one thing, when he is named in the team vs NZ I have a grin from ear to ear. The guy is not an international class 10 IMO. I dont know why OZ persist with him. IMO there are way better options in OZ at the moment?

RoosTah · Oct 21, 2015

ABs2011 said:
I could care less about what he is like as a bloke, but I tell you one thing, when he is named in the team vs NZ I have a grin from ear to ear. The guy is not an international class 10 IMO. I dont know why OZ persist with him. IMO there are way better options in OZ at the moment?

Yep. In fact I'd argue the list of 10s probably goes: Foley, Giteau, Toomua, Beale and then Cooper

Redcatstorm · Oct 21, 2015

ABs2011 said:
I couldn't care less about what he is like as a bloke, but I tell you one thing, when he is named in the team vs NZ I have a grin from ear to ear. The guy is not an international class 10 IMO. I dont know why OZ persist with him. IMO there are way better options in OZ at the moment?

Fixed

Jaguares · Oct 21, 2015

Horacito said:
I don't think you're overstimating Pocock's importance in AUS, but I think you're doing it on the game. He is a world class player, but I think our back row Lobbe Legui Matera/ Lobbe Senatore Matera / Lobbe Isa Matera is better than Pocock+ Michael Hooper

Matera and Lobbe are specialists on breakdown, and Isa is good at that, and Creevy is top as well (if he plays this match anyways).

Australia has the best back row in the world with Fardy, Hooper and Pocock together. This was said by Diego Albanese and other ESPN journalist, maybe Tomas De Vedia (former London Irish player). And I agree with them

ABs2011 · Oct 21, 2015

Conrad Smith said:
Australia has the best back row in the world with Fardy, Hooper and Pocock together. This was said by Diego Albanese and other ESPN journalist, maybe Tomas De Vedia (former London Irish player). And I agree with them

They are a good back row for sure, but sorry, I'd take the ABs back row any day!!

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sanzar said:
Yep. In fact I'd argue the list of 10s probably goes: Foley, Giteau, Toomua, Beale and then Cooper

Yup I'd agree with that ordering! Maybe even Lealiifano could be in the mix too ahead of Cooper I reckon. I certainly wouldnt have Cooper on my OZ bench. With Giteau in the team I'd have Phipps, Beale + 1 (either Tooma or even someone like Speight for impact). I just really think Cooper is a poor player.

Shaggy · Oct 21, 2015

Conrad Smith said:
It's very boring to read the resentful like u. All the time attacking Australia, as @sanzar; says: The Kiwis are too concerned about Australia. You can see this in All Aussie fan pages in facebook, tw or whatever. In an Aussie fan page you always can find a Kiwi talking about Australia but in a NZ fan page you never see an Aussie talking about NZ.

I think most of us are concentrating on our match with South Africa, rather than a match that might not even happen. I hate to burst your bubble, but no one I've talked to here (actually in NZ, not on some social media page) are talking about Australia (it's all about us and the Springboks). If the topic of this match comes up, it's all about who we think will win it; we don't care who we play (because it's beyond our control), we just want to win the thing.

Just so you know, this isn't Facebook; you've been on here long enough to know that your immature attempts at baiting aren't tolerated. If you feel the need, perhaps you could gain some sort of fulfillment on those FB pages you spoke of.

Horacito · Oct 21, 2015

I usually follow Albanese on his opinions, but I don't see it this time, or at least not that clear.

Ok, Pocock is better than Senatore and Legui. Senatore is good at set pieces and not that good at everything else. Legui's skills are awful.

Fardy is better than Matera? The difference here is that Fardy is 31 and Matera is 22, and that experience can make a big deal. But Matera has played Rugby Championship before and made a big impact and left great impression over the public. The only thing here is exposition, Matera hasn't had a big break yet, but it's a matter of time.

Hooper over Lobbe is a no-brainer. There is literally nothing Michael Hooper is better at than Lobbe. Only physique. Hooper is younger and has a lot of pace, but Lobbe has the same range and is far more experienced and has won everything you can win in rugby.

Correct me where I'm wrong. As far as I now our back row is 6 matera, 7 Lobbe and eight legui or senatore or isa. But Lobbe has been changing position a lot hasn't he? He is naturally a 6 but we use him as 7 and sometimes as 8. Isa is pure 8 right?

Thanks

ABs2011 · Oct 21, 2015

Conrad Smith said:
Aussies don't care much about u, I know it must be hard being the younger brother living in the shadow of the largest economy in Oceania, just relax.

@Conrad Smith How long have you lived in Australia by the way?

petite · Oct 21, 2015

i agree with horacio! our back rows are kind of even and i see the same thing in the brackdown. it will be defined by the acurracy of the backs specially on defence cos both probed to be good attaking sides. arg lately and oz allways been.
cordero and imoff are not so solid defenders.

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i agree with horacio! our back rows are kind of even and i see the same thing in the brackdown. it will be defined by the acurracy of the backs specially on defence cos both probed to be good attaking sides. arg lately and oz allways been.
cordero and imoff are not so solid defenders.

Cruz_del_Sur · Oct 21, 2015

Conrad Smith said:
Australia has the best back row in the world with Fardy, Hooper and Pocock together. This was said by Diego Albanese and other ESPN journalist, maybe Tomas De Vedia (former London Irish player). And I agree with them

In all fairness the ESPN crowd tends to blow out of proportion the skills of whoever Argentina is facing (in order to bridge the compliment for Argentina later in the commentary). Live analysis is one of those things were we are still aeons behind other rugby nations. I honestly have a very hard time watching rugby on ESPN.

Jaguares · Oct 21, 2015

Horacito said:
I usually follow Albanese on his opinions, but I don't see it this time, or at least not that clear.

Ok, Pocock is better than Senatore and Legui. Senatore is good at set pieces and not that good at everything else. Legui's skills are awful.

Fardy is better than Matera? The difference here is that Fardy is 31 and Matera is 22, and that experience can make a big deal. But Matera has played Rugby Championship before and made a big impact and left great impression over the public. The only thing here is exposition, Matera hasn't had a big break yet, but it's a matter of time.

Hooper over Lobbe is a no-brainer. There is literally nothing Michael Hooper is better at than Lobbe. Only physique. Hooper is younger and has a lot of pace, but Lobbe has the same range and is far more experienced and has won everything you can win in rugby.

Correct me where I'm wrong. As far as I now our back row is 6 matera, 7 Lobbe and eight legui or senatore or isa. But Lobbe has been changing position a lot hasn't he? He is naturally a 6 but we use him as 7 and sometimes as 8. Isa is pure 8 right?

Thanks

Fardy is a better jumper than Fernandez Lobbe, Matera and Leguizamon
Hooper is a better ball carrier than Fernandez Lobbe, Matera and Leguizamon
And Pocock is the best back row in the world by far, the king of the breakdown.

For me Fernandez Lobbe is an openside flanker who can play as blindside flanker and even at 8, like Richie McCaw.

ENZED-88 · Oct 21, 2015

Conrad Smith said:
And Pocock is the best back row in the world by far, the king of the breakdown.

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Pocock is not even the best backrower in his team let alone the world.

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ABs2011 said:
@Conrad Smith How long have you lived in Australia by the way?

Since 1968 when they became the economic powerhouse of Oceania

Jaguares · Oct 21, 2015

ENZED-88 said:
Pocock is not even the best backrower in his team let alone the world.

Are u serious?

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