[2015 RWC] Quarter Final 3: Ireland vs. Argentina (18/10/2015)

[WaterboySA]

Didn't we go over this in another thread? They've done more than just beat a poor South African side.

I know I said that in a previous thread, but I answered a direct question here. I agree they've come a long way, I'm NOT trying to badmouth them?I don't agree with you that they are inconsistent, I think they(as you said) are not as experienced in big competitions, and will get better, to such a level that they WILL be favorites to win most games they play. Just not yet........

Did I mention I'm also an Ireland fan?Always have been.I think they play the type of physical rugby that can keep the ball from the Argentinian backs. I hope they do because jeepers, Juan Imhoff can run......

 

[Jockstap]

We're going to ****ing do it lads. Lock and load baby we have the back ups ready and aiming.

Any inside scoop on the replacements muff?

 

[dunney77]

Will the atmosphere be as good for this game as it was last night?

Need another strong crowd showing!

 

[MunsterMan]

Any inside scoop on the replacements muff?

Rumour is Mike McCarthy and Rhys Ruddock being called up. No idea on the reliability, as I would think Dan Tuohy and Dave Foley would be ahead of McCarthy, and Ruddock is just back from injury.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ruddock on the way. As we speak. Dave Foley, Tuohy and Trimble as well as McFadden have all been told be ready in case too.

 

[Peat]

Foley and Tuohy? More undisclosed injury worries, or considering chucking Henderson back a row?

 

[dunney77]

Does this mean Sexton is probably out?

 

[Jockstap]

Foley and Tuohy? More undisclosed injury worries, or considering chucking Henderson back a row?

Probably more likely they're still undecided and making sure they're ready once decision is made.

 

[MunsterMan]

You can replace O'Mahony's with Murphy without losing too much around the field, but replacing his lineout work is much harder. This is why we will probably Henderson play 6, and why Ruddock, who hasn't played much rugby is being called up too.

 

[munstermuffin]

Probably more to do with who's better suited with what's needed replacing. Mike Mac is probably discussed but what he offers is already covered by Ryan and Henderson. Toner needs another lineout operator and while I know the 2 lads aren't pure solid lineout merchants they offer more here.
I'm sure it's more just keeping it on horses for courses thinking.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

what we miss with Sexton is a player who can heavily influence a game in Ireland's favour when we need it against the best in the world, Argentina aren't the best in the world.

Errr, this might come as a shock to you, but neither is Ireland.

The above is a perfect example of the point i'm trying to make. Deluded arrogance, all over the place. I could understand/tolerate that line from a Australian, a NZer, A South African, even an English or a French, but from an Irish? You and Italy are the only tier one rugby teams that have never been past a QF. Ever.
And even when every single time we faced each other in World Cups odds were in your favour you lost more often than not.

And i'm not saying we'll win. I'm just saying that if you look at the past, every single world cup the Irish fans tend to come up with "This time round we have the players and coach to go far" argument and, for whatever reason, you do not deliver.
Again, don't be surprised if a few people do not take your word for granted.

Good luck again and may the best team win.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Errr, this might come as a shock to you, but neither is Ireland.

The above is a perfect example of the point i'm trying to make. Deluded arrogance, all over the place. I could understand/tolerate that line from a Australian, a NZer, A South African, even an English or a French, but from an Irish? You and Italy are the only tier one rugby teams that have never been past a QF. Ever.
And even when every single time we faced each other in World Cups odds were in your favour you lost more often than not.

And i'm not saying we'll win. I'm just saying that if you look at the past, every single world cup the Irish fans tend to come up with "This time round we have the players and coach to go far" argument and, for whatever reason, you do not deliver.
Again, don't be surprised if a few people do not take your word for granted.

Good luck again and may the best team win.

Not what I meant and you know it!!! You don't have to be the best to beat the best but we need Sexton to beat the likes of Australia and NZ, we can beat Argentina without him.

Your argument seems to be based on your belief that Irish fans think they'll do better than we end up doing in world cups. This is the only world cup that I have ever thought, after all the warm up games and before the first match, that Ireland would reach the semis. Nothing that has happened in the warm ups make me think that Ireland can't do what they need to to reach a semi final, this being beating Argentina. If you would like I could tell you the areas in which I think Ireland will win this game but from your previous post I think you're more interested in looking at RWC history which has nothing to do with Sunday's game!

I'd be happier to end the accusations and focus on the match rather than fans' expectations though!

 

[Jockstap]

Errr, this might come as a shock to you, but neither is Ireland.

The above is a perfect example of the point i'm trying to make. Deluded arrogance, all over the place. I could understand/tolerate that line from a Australian, a NZer, A South African, even an English or a French, but from an Irish? You and Italy are the only tier one rugby teams that have never been past a QF. Ever.
And even when every single time we faced each other in World Cups odds were in your favour you lost more often than not.

And i'm not saying we'll win. I'm just saying that if you look at the past, every single world cup the Irish fans tend to come up with "This time round we have the players and coach to go far" argument and, for whatever reason, you do not deliver.
Again, don't be surprised if a few people do not take your word for granted.

Good luck again and may the best team win.

Look it seems to be a trait of countries from the British isles to be optimistic of their teams chances, even when there's absolutely no evidence to be so, but this time Ireland have reason.

We've never been been six nations champions in a World Cup year, we've never won back to back championships, we've never reached 2nd in the world rankings, we've never beaten France at a World Cup and we've never had the depth to replace key players before. So it's not arrogance just reasoned optimism.

 

[PacDuran]

Does this mean Sexton is probably out?

Man they are ALL out.O'Mahoney is out for maybe 6 months with cruciate injury. Sexton I think will not make it for a few weeks. Sean O'brien will undoubtedly be cited for that moronic punch, and Paul O'Connell spent last night in hospital after tearing his hamstring off the fooking BONE! Our leader, our best back and backs leader, our 2 form players all out. Argentina must be licking their lips.

 

[Tony Manx]

Man they are ALL out.O'Mahoney is out for maybe 6 months with cruciate injury. Sexton I think will not make it for a few weeks. Sean O'brien will undoubtedly be cited for that moronic punch, and Paul O'Connell spent last night in hospital after tearing his hamstring off the fooking BONE! Our leader, our best back and backs leader, our 2 form players all out. Argentina must be licking their lips.

Will still take them to beat Argentina - hell I would even take Scotland to beat em!!

 

[munstermuffin]

Will still take them to beat Argentina - hell I would even take Scotland to beat em!!

Not at all. There's bad blood over the years with Argentina and straight up some of them are obnoxious cheating pricks. They're tough but I'm sure Paulie will get our lads drove up to the top and mix it with Schmidts tactical approach and we will compete. We don't depend on a player to deliver but more on the system and well the man has done well so far.

 

[Amiga500]

Too much talking up again.

How many times before have the lads went brilliantly one week, only to fall off a cliff the next.


We **can** beat Argentina, they **can** beat us. Who wins probably comes down to small margins and luck on the day.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

There's bad blood over the years with Argentina and straight up some of them are obnoxious cheating pricks.

No bad bloody from our side. We just had to face each other a disproportionate amount of times in WCs. I happen to watch most rugby games in Irish pubs across Europe and i've never experienced bad blood from the Irish.
I'll let the last part of your comment slide. You're obviously not thinking clearly.

 

[Horacito]

The bad blood is the typical story you get in the internet; Argentina is full of irish descendants and the irish are nice people and they're everywhere in the world and aer widely know as friendly with a beer in hand people.

The bad blood was between Felipe Contepomi, who played the most significant part of his career with Leinster and the Munster players hated him: O'Callaghan, O'Gara, Stringer... but O'Gara the most.

That lead to the immortal tv moment after beating Ireland ESPN asked Felipe what was going on with O'Gara and he simply answered "He is a disgusting person. On the field, he is disgusting."

Of course we know Felipe is not the best guy on the field either, so O'Gara was most probably a good trash talker and Felipe a hot blooded arse.

 

[MunsterMan]

Not at all. There's bad blood over the years with Argentina and straight up some of them are obnoxious cheating pricks.

You're out of order there. I think the bad blood was between O'Gara and Contepomi, think the encounter next weekend will be as ****ly as any closely contested RWC Quarter final but nowhere near 'bad blood'. The Pumas are a fantastic rugby team, they are having a great year with the win in South Africa the obvious highlight. It's going to be a hell of a game!

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That lead to the immortal tv moment after beating Ireland ESPN asked Felipe what was going on with O'Gara and he simply answered "He is a disgusting person. On the field, he is disgusting."

Of course we know Felipe is not the best guy on the field either, so O'Gara was most probably a good trash talker and Felipe a hot blooded arse.

I was a huge fan of both players, great drama watching the two of them up against each other for there provinces and countries. Two 'characters' i supposed you would call it, neither of them angels.