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[2015 RWC] Quarter Final 3: Ireland vs. Argentina (18/10/2015)

Thank Christ we won yesterday!! Henderson and Healy will start now, Murphy and Henry in the backrow and I'm hopeful for Sexton. Regardless, we have more than enough to beat Argentina and we shouldn't make the same mistake two world cups in a row by under performing in a QF. If we get Sexton back for Sunday I'd put our chances at 70% and 60 with Mads. Final hopes rest on Sexton playing the semi if we get there.
 
The Irish seem quite confident, but then again, they do so every single world cup.
I like our odds.
 
Lourens said:
They won one game against a poor South Africa. Next game they lost against us. In the WC they've been tested once and they lost that game(against the AB's). I just can't see why everyone is making such a big thing about them. Don't get me wrong, I think the one team they can beat in the top 5 is SA(our rugby is not in a good place). I think they punch above their own weight at the moment because they are playing good rugby, but I still think they will lose 9/10 times against the other top sides.
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Didn't we go over this in another thread? They've done more than just beat a poor South African side.

They are inconsistent, I'll give you that. But I think they have the ability to make things interesting and pull a rabbit out of the hat. They also beat the Wallabies last year. They went to Loftus and kept the Springboks down to one try and only lost by 7 points. Then faced SA again in their own home land and only lost by 2 points. They can do pretty awesome things on attack as well. I know, they had an 'easy' pool. But they've scored the third most tries, have the most clean breaks and have beaten the most defenders. Imhoff is pretty amazing when he gets going - he was in the lead for Rugby Championship stats too. Yeah they aren't going to be consistent world beaters (lets just keep in mind they've only been part of a major competition for a short while) but they I honestly believe they can shock everyone. They can be up and down but they've come a hell of a long way. I dunno. I know Ireland are bloody good, but I'm going to back Argentina. Call me crazy.
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
The Irish seem quite confident, but then again, they do so every single world cup.
I like our odds.
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I think we know our limits. Smidth wont be looking past argentina dont worry. Argentina have a big task ahead of them as they have to beat ireland physically and tactically. Not many coaches can outwit Smidth tactically. Ireland could starve the argies of ball!
 
Mcfadden said:
Didn't we go over this in another thread? They've done more than just beat a poor South African side.

They are inconsistent, I'll give you that. But I think they have the ability to make things interesting and pull a rabbit out of the hat. They also beat the Wallabies last year. They went to Loftus and kept the Springboks down to one try and only lost by 7 points. Then faced SA again in their own home land and only lost by 2 points. They can do pretty awesome things on attack as well. I know, they had an 'easy' pool. But they've scored the third most tries, have the most clean breaks and have beaten the most defenders. Imhoff is pretty amazing when he gets going - he was in the lead for Rugby Championship stats too. Yeah they aren't going to be consistent world beaters (lets just keep in mind they've only been part of a major competition for a short while) but they I honestly believe they can shock everyone. They can be up and down but they've come a hell of a long way. I dunno. I know Ireland are bloody good, but I'm going to back Argentina. Call me crazy.
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Hi there crazy!

I don't think we should use any of the Rugby Championship of this year to draw a comparison to any of the SH teams. None of them are in the same scope they were during that tournament. And IMHO all of them are in a way better place that during that tournament. Argentina got the better rub of the green thanks to Poite's bad refereeing against the Bokke, but they still won. In this world cup the Argies have certainly impressed me. Especially after what I saw when SA beat them at home. for me it feels like they play differently than they did in the RC. Possibly because most of their players are playing in the NH and probably more used to the conditions.
 
So it's okay to use a match from the Rugby Championship and hold it up as 'the one thing' they've done well (i.e: a lone victory over SA), but if we explore that in a little more depth then it doesn't count? Right. I was actually responding to somebody else who brought up Rugby Championship form. Not quite sure why I'm getting the lecture!

I'm just making the point that to completely write them off based on the most recent international form would be silly. Ireland will be tough, but maybe they'll have an off day, and obviously I'm backing them to pull out something awesome, I think they're more than capable. They've made massive inroads over the years for sure, and that's basically what I'm getting at.
 
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Well, you have to beat us physically and tactically too. You just played your toughest game, you have 2/3 starting players injured (including your kicker) and chances are O'Brien will be cited.
We just had our easiest game, rested most players and have no injuries.
The pressure is on Ireland too as they are clear favourites (using betting odds as reference here). We feel comfortable being the underdogs.
Again, i like our odds.
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
Well, you have to beat us physically and tactically too. You just played your toughest game, you have 2/3 starting players injured (including your kicker) and chances are O'Brien will be cited.
We just had our easiest game, rested most players and have no injuries.
The pressure is on Ireland too as they are clear favourites (using betting odds as reference here). We feel comfortable being the underdogs.
Again, i like our odds.
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Injuries happen, having a good squad wins big games and ireland have that. We replaced our captain with an even better player from the bench in henderson imo. madigan came in for sexton and worked well, henry will play 7 and he has been there done that for ireland. In my mind I feared the french more than argentina. People are saying this will be the tie of the round I disagree. I dont think argentina will be able to deal with irelands phase play and structure. Argentina like a flowing game now and they wont get that against ireland, if they plan to target the scrum irelands scrum is very solid, our lineout is probably the best in the tournament.
 
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You make it sound as if getting injuries and citations made teams stronger.
I know you're pumped-up, just won a big game, emotions are flowing and people want to keep the energy levels and morale high, but don't expect people to actually buy that.
I'd rather have my starting kicker good and ready than a replacement that "works well".

having a good squad wins big games and ireland have that.
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I've heard this from many Irish in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, particularly in 2007.
Kindly understand if some don't buy the cool aid anymore. Irish fans are to rugby what english fans are to football. Unrealistic expectations every single time.

Best of luck next weekend.
 
Madigan is a better goal kicker than Sexton. Whether he'll run the game plan as well under pressure, or rally the troops if needed, those are seriously questionable, but when it comes to the sticks I fear him more than Sexton. Sexton shanks the odd one for no seeming reason.
 
So O'Mahony is definitely gone, massive loss, the guy will be our future captain and in my opinion will be the best 6 in the world in a year or two once he adds more weight to his frame. So I'm guessing we bring in Rhys Ruddock who is also potentially a fantastic player, I haven't been keeping up to date with the provinces, how fit is he?
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
Well, you have to beat us physically and tactically too. You just played your toughest game, you have 2/3 starting players injured (including your kicker) and chances are O'Brien will be cited.
We just had our easiest game, rested most players and have no injuries.
The pressure is on Ireland too as they are clear favourites (using betting odds as reference here). We feel comfortable being the underdogs.
Again, i like our odds.
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Bosch may be cited, no?

Ireland's loss of POC, POM and in all probability O'Brien is not without significance but the talk is that Henderson might be better than POC, and that Ireland have good depth in the backrow. Sexton might prove to be their biggest loss, albeit Madigan performed admirably when he came on against France.

I want Argentina to win, I hope they do, but can't help but feel that Ireland in front of that raucous Millennium Stadium crowd will edge them out. I hope I am wrong.
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
You make it sound as if getting injuries and citations made teams stronger.
I know you're pumped-up, just won a big game, emotions are flowing and people want to keep the energy levels and morale high, but don't expect people to actually buy that.
I'd rather have my starting kicker good and ready than a replacement that "works well".


[/COLOR]I've heard this from many Irish in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, particularly in 2007.
Kindly understand if some don't buy the cool aid anymore. Irish fans are to rugby what english fans are to football. Unrealistic expectations every single time.

Best of luck next weekend.
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Errr... '99 we were ****e, you'd need to find the most deluded fan to think we'd do well, we thought we'd beat Argentina but that was underestimating you rather than overrating us. '03 getting out of the group was what most expected, a semi would have been an upset. In '07 the team didn't show up, we had the ability to go far but preparations were terrible. '11 we exceeded expectations by beating the Aussies...

This time round we have the players and coach to go far, we don't have unrealistic expectations and the only thing that will stop us breaking out semi final duck is under performing on Sunday and I think that'll be unlikely following yesterday's match. We have more than capable backrow options, Henderson/Murphy Henry and Heaslip is arguably better suited to face Argentina with the amount of work they'll get through at the breakdown and Madigan is a better place kicker than Sexton (who I think will be fit anyway) what we miss with Sexton is a player who can heavily influence a game in Ireland's favour when we need it against the best in the world, Argentina aren't the best in the world.

I'll admit that I'm wrong if Argentina come out and beat us across the park but I can't see it happening, especially considering only the remnants of the class of '07 are your only players to have ever beaten Ireland.
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
You make it sound as if getting injuries and citations made teams stronger.
I know you're pumped-up, just won a big game, emotions are flowing and people want to keep the energy levels and morale high, but don't expect people to actually buy that.
I'd rather have my starting kicker good and ready than a replacement that "works well".


[/COLOR]I've heard this from many Irish in 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011, particularly in 2007.
Kindly understand if some don't buy the cool aid anymore. Irish fans are to rugby what english fans are to football. Unrealistic expectations every single time.

Best of luck next weekend.
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I understand what your saying cruz about irish expectations but im just saying we will beat argentina, we will probably not win the world cup. Im not saying injuries are good of course not but irelands bench is collasal. its the strongest squad we have ever had. From what ive seen of argentina they have lost to the abs and won a few handy games. They have impressed and excited people with their flowing rugby but just ask any french poster on here about irelands defence and phase play! france never threatened irish try line.
 
I would have thought Irish rugby fans are inherently pessimists, especially all those unfortunate enough to remember the 1990s! I thought we would lose yesterday and was looking forward to getting the underdog tag back for the Quarters. Being favourites never suits us.
 
We're going to ****ing do it lads. Lock and load baby we have the back ups ready and aiming.
 
Will be tough no doubt, tougher without POC, POM, SOB, and Sexton, but still I reckon we can beat them. No easy game as Argentina have been impressive, but I trust in Joe to much to expect anything other than a mentally switched on team for this game no way he under rates Arg. The biggest question for Ireland is how we reshuffle the pack/bench I reckon we will see Murphy and Henry in to start rather than Hendo to 6 as some have suggested. While he hasn't trained I think Ruddock should get the call up, can cover second row and if SOB is out we need back row cover. I could see us not calling in any direct replacement for Payne given the forward situation and abundance of outside backs.
 

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