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[2014 EOYT] France

is Sofiane Guitoune injured again ?

yes...:(

No Guitoune, Trinh-Duc (4 months), Romain Taofifenua (suspension), Bonneval (whole year), Lamerat (back soon), Szarsewski, Dulin, Parra, Picamoles (only came back last week from lung infection, lost 10kg, got most back).

For me no FTD, Guitoune and Lamerat are :cryy: :cryy: but then again for Guitoune we've got Huget and hopefully Teddy Thomas as wings.

And there are changes by the way: Médard very uncertain, Atonio probably suspended 1 match (so Slimani temporary return).
 
Yet another South African selected to play for France... that's 5 South African's in a year's time... Well done France, well done! I like the depth coming through...
 
Yet another South African selected to play for France... that's 5 South African's in a year's time... Well done France, well done! I like the depth coming through...

TBF all those players except I think Kockott really embrace France as their 'new home' sincerely. Kockott just wants to play at test level no matter who it's for is the feeing I get. And there are a lot of local talent coming through.

And it's lekker, man; we get to watch more SA talent at the highest level, more SA guys are successful (generally speaking) and it's not as if we are missing them really for the Bokke.
 
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TBF all those players except I think Kockott really embrace France as their 'new home' sincerely. Kockott just wants to play at test level no matter who it's for is the feeing I get. And there are a lot of local talent coming through.

And it's lekker, man; we get to watch more SA talent at the highest level, more SA guys are successful (generally speaking) and it's not as if we are missing them really for the Bokke.

My post was tongue in cheek. I have no problem with the guys representing other countries, especially if there was no way that they would play for the Boks. Spedding, the newest to the list, was a rather mediocre player when he was in SA, so I could understand him going there.

I'm more pointing it to the selectors, they have an entire league to pick guys from, but instead they go for the imports.
 
My post was tongue in cheek. I have no problem with the guys representing other countries, especially if there was no way that they would play for the Boks. Spedding, the newest to the list, was a rather mediocre player when he was in SA, so I could understand him going there.

I'm more pointing it to the selectors, they have an entire league to pick guys from, but instead they go for the imports.

no it wasn't...

I like the depth coming through...

is nothing but real (and very inaccurate/ignorant) criticism. There is nothing tongue in cheek there, it can only be literal.
Not that this deserves an answer, but here it comes anyways: France staff and FFR aren't interested in local products depth, which we ironically backs and forwards mixed probably have the most of in the world. They're interested in picking whoever can take them out of the shhiit hole they're in, and if that means selecting almost 30yo "foreigners" who are playing well in our championship within our borders, then that's exactly what they'll do.

About Spedding, I've now changed my opinion about his inclusion. Seeing how passionately emotional he got, how he came to France at 21yo and how he himself calls France his home (while not forgetting SA) and played (almost) all his pro ball here...

Spedding, the newest to the list, was a rather mediocre player when he was in SA, so I could understand him going there.

I'm more pointing it to the selectors, they have an entire league to pick guys from, but instead they go for the imports.

for the record, Spedding had more than just chances to make the Boks based on merit (not based on the stubborn Bok staff's methods). I've got him over your present Le Roux easily. He was "mediocre", yeah, when he was 20-21 ? Strong statement.
I don't know how he'll do internationally, especially with this shiitty coaching staff, but he's huge (for a 15) yet mobile, communicates fantastically with the other back three in Bayonne, loves to counter and beats defenders on the regular, is strong AND elusive in contact, is very good at FB security duties and he's got a huge SA boot on him. Oh, also he doesn't throw a SHOCKER of a pass every 3 or 4 passes like other int'l FB's (well, one int'l FB...).

Because you're so typically South African, heineken, you won't even look into anything that isn't in SA or SRugby. Wtvr isn't in those things doesn't exist, or isn't worthy really of looking into. You've spoken just now with absolutely no idea whatsoever on the current level and ability of Scott Spedding, and you're totally fine with that. I've seen Le Roux, I've seen Spedding. So I can talk. You've just made two unnecessary posts with literally no idea about the grounds you were on, just floating in the dark pretending to hold objects firm. Just underlining that for you.

It's insanity the Boks haven't picked Kockott at least, at so very very least as a backup on the bench - in stead of going for dinosaurs it's too bad they haven't tried a very interesting lock specimen in Juandré Kruger, who btw has expressed his all-time dream to play and win the WC with the Springboks. Picking a Heinke van der Merwe at LH may've prevented the Boks from getting pushed around lately in the scrum, and Scott Spedding right now was a very good idea going into the next WC: a guy with all the qualities I mentioned, so consistent and mature and just the right age at 28...

EDIT: watch this video
http://www.therugbyforum.com/threads/34337-Scott-Spedding-s-reaction-to-being-selected-for-France
 
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Spedding has a great ability in beating players, also very good at up and unders as well. I would prefer to see Fall there just because he is a young French product, also bloody talented but he is really a winger. I think players like Buttin, Lapeyre (doesn't get alot of game time), Bonneval should be ahead though.
 
TBF all those players except I think Kockott really embrace France as their 'new home' sincerely. Kockott just wants to play at test level no matter who it's for is the feeing I get.

Aye, I get that too. Following Kockott on twitter he really loves SA and spends all of his spare time there, even going back home during weeks off mid-season.
 
Spedding has a great ability in beating players, also very good at up and unders as well. I would prefer to see Fall there just because he is a young French product, also bloody talented but he is really a winger. I think players like Buttin, Lapeyre (doesn't get alot of game time), Bonneval should be ahead though.

Spedding does everything well, I've enumerated his many qualities multiple times already. Fall is in the group and plays FB this year a lot more than wing for Montypellier, and does well there although yes his predilection is out wide, not in the back. He's quite talented indeed but I feel between Racing's loaded roster previously and now Montypellier playing him at 15 he still hasn't exploded the way he can. He's one of these very very nice guys and needs to be in confidence to produce, in a very positive environment.
Hugo Bonneval got injured in Australia and won't see the pitch all year, he's pretty good but needs to improve a lot still. Nice you recognize Lapeyre, indeed pretty good himself but doesn't see time in Racing, especially this year. Buttin is the guy I want to see, he was picked before from France but never played. He's still very young (22-23) but Clermont need immediate results with seasoned fullbacks to insure security and a very high standard, so he's been complete second to Lee Byrne before and now Abendanon and tbf those have both been very good to Clermont, and consistent.

Another guy begging to be picked at 15 is Gaetan Germain. Still young, our biggest FB (with Spedding) at 100kg. Hard to put down, but his weapon is his foot as he led the Top 14 in pts scored last year. He's elusively fast for a big guy but he's a top security FB as a priority (big, strong, huge boot, good cover, sound passer, elite from the tee).

Then we have the Djibril Camara in Paris replacing Bonneval who's pretty damn good also, Domvo who is quite excellent but terribly underrated still
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/player/157426.html

Amongst many others...
 
Is Germain the Brive kicker ? I have seen him a few times then, have no idea how he would translate onto the international stage but then 'if you never try you'll never know' as Chris Martin once said.
 
Is Germain the Brive kicker ? I have seen him a few times then, have no idea how he would translate onto the international stage but then 'if you never try you'll never know' as Chris Martin once said.

yep that's him. Well he's top class at Top 14 level, so surely at least good enough to play int'l ball although he may not stand out there like Dulin does for us. He's not a big counterattacker, but surprisingly when he puts his mind to it, he's got legs and feet you wouldn't see coming from him. But he's essentially those other things.
 
Here is another import we do not need. Same as Kockott. Good league players but not needed for positions with enough depth.

Buttin is far more elusive and getting regular game time at Clermont and still only 23. Gaetan Germain of Brive 24 is also another option. Has started every game this season and he has been one of the top kickers off the tee for a while. Hellooo. Both youngers than Spedding who is at 29 no spring chicken.

This is what you get with a selector under stewardship. A puppet on a string who's under every influence and just goes along with the flavour du moment.

Les bleus are going to crash and burn. All the way.
 
Some things are clear to me, beyond possible debate....The Kockott selection is *baaad*. Spedding is a touching story, and makes sense. But the FFR have become the biggest fuccking joke in Tier 1 Rugby history, hands down, absolutely no contest, not even remotely close. It's a mess on so many levels, it's just mind-boggling.

What is of equal fantastic proportions is some of the non-French Rugby fans around the world and their incomprehension of this: very few seem to understand our situation, which is blindingly obvious even on the outside...it's very foreign to me, the notion this could lead to any two (or more) points of view, what's going on. Some people who aren't casual fans actually believe - like, they actually, literally believe in the first degree, firmly - France is playing to its ability, and there's nothing or little wrong with the coaching staff and higher in the FFR.
Those are the two things I find of an extreme assortment currently, about French Rugby. The pathological degree of our federation and staff's incompetence and unprofessionalism, and the reception of our results throughout the English speaking world. Aberrant, and without repair.
 
Some things are clear to me, beyond possible debate....The Kockott selection is *baaad*. Spedding is a touching story, and makes sense. But the FFR have become the biggest fuccking joke in Tier 1 Rugby history, hands down, absolutely no contest, not even remotely close. It's a mess on so many levels, it's just mind-boggling.

What is of equal fantastic proportions is some of the non-French Rugby fans around the world and their incomprehension of this: very few seem to understand our situation, which is blindingly obvious even on the outside...it's very foreign to me, the notion this could lead to any two (or more) points of view, what's going on. Some people who aren't casual fans actually believe - like, they actually, literally believe in the first degree, firmly - France is playing to its ability, and there's nothing or little wrong with the coaching staff and higher in the FFR.
Those are the two things I find of an extreme assortment currently, about French Rugby. The pathological degree of our federation and staff's incompetence and unprofessionalism, and the reception of our results throughout the English speaking world. Aberrant, and without repair.
I think England during the last RWC could challenge you there. You've gone and selected foreign players. We went midget tossing.......
 
I'd say SA getting Peter de Villiers on board trumps all. Absolutely a political appointment that set SA rugby back 4 years. The fact we won a Lions tour and beat NZ 3-0 in 2009 was all down to the quality of players at our desposal at the time (FdP, Matfield, J Smith, Fourie amongst others all in their prime) and despite the off-field staff and governing body. And the constant racial quota thing hanging over us. No, I'd say the only test side that could be said to be boxing near enough at their potential would be NZ and it has shown in the last decade.
 
I think England during the last RWC could challenge you there. You've gone and selected foreign players. We went midget tossing.......

it's good of you to be lucid and mention such things from your own closet, and yeah some of that was pretty bad, but England were still a relevant Rugby team on the pitch. Have you SEEN some of the matches ??? Have you seen the match in Cardiff, the one in Murrayfield, the first test in Australia ???

Have you ever seen, EVER EVER EVER...in the history of Tier 1 pro sports, any sport you want, a premier nation go out and play such a *chaotic*, strategy empty, game plan deprived, inconsistent (from game to game, within the game, within the same half, from tour to tour) brand of their own craft ?
 
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