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[2013 EOYT] South Africa

I think some guys in the Baby Bok team earlier this year could be ones to watch as well. Cheslin Kolbe, Robert du Preez, Hanco Venter, Wiaan Liebenberg, Jacques du Plessis... Just a couple of names who might, or might not, make it to the big stage. As Hein is carefully pointing at, with these youngsters there are too many factors in life that can have a negative outcome on their career. Injuries, personal life choices (moving, studies, marriage) can all make them stronger or push them off the trail to success.

Du Toit and Serfontein are definitely the closest to making an impact.
 
Interesting to see that SA has a couple of "super-heavy" guys too (Williamse, Oosthuizen).

It seems that most countries seem to have 1 or 2 guys who are 125-135kg coming through in their early 20s.
There are going to be some very large forward packs in the next 5 years!

Out of those guys you've listed is there anyone who you think is going to come through a bit like Eben has?

Well, a lot of guys have potential but whether or not they'll make the step up as successfully as Etzebeth is of course pure conjecture. Some of the SA players I would keep an eye out for:

Pieter-Steph du Toit a young lock/loose forward that the Sharks stole from WP and I am bitter about LOL. He is like Etzebeth something of an all-rounder rather than specifically a TH lock or athletic line-out operator. Has shown potential but needs to stay injury free.

Another young guy that we all raved about that has had limited chances because of injury is flyhalf Johan Goosen who has good vision for the gap and the delayed pass, speed to burn and a nice flat pass on top of the traditional huge boot. If he can master his tactical kicking he can go very far. His defense is a bit suspect but not any less than what we currently have in Morne Steyn. Would probably have been incumbent Bok 10 by now if not injury prone and already has had 2 long term injuries. He is expected to return soon and might even play in the final round of Currie cup on the weekend if the Cheetahs rush him back like they are wont to do with their best.

Jan Serfontein has also like Goosen already donned the Bok jersey but off the bench and usually out of position to accommodate captain JdV. He has impressed off the bench against world class opposition IMO and he'll get his chances. In fact he is much more of a prospect than JJ Engelbrecht at 13. It's just his bad luck that JdV is there and Jaque Fourie in Japan.

Arno Botha is a classic blindside flanker that has also had a chance to don a Bok jersey in June and was very effective but one probably has to question the opposition in Scotland, Samoa and Italy away from home. He got his chance off the back of a stellar SR performance before the test series break and took it with both hands before injury. He faces difficulty in getting back in though because the Bok flanks are a tough gig to crack. CJ Stander left the Bulls because of this guy basically being preferred.

Those for me are the ones on the cusp of making it as Bok starters for good reason.

Some of the others I see as longer term prospects and I'd be surprised if they made it to the 2015 RWC but HM seems to have already fast-tracked a few guys with success so who knows:

Paul Willemse; huge classic TH lock; personally I am more excited about him than PS du Toit (who gets the majority vote though) simply because I see Etzebeth as more than capable at 5 which we see as the line-out operator and more athletic type.
Damian de Allende; big center and very hard runner with some pace. I'd want to see him at wing for WP with Habana leaving simply because WP lacks size out wide with our options in Gio Aplon and Cheslin Kolbe combined not weighiing much more Paul Willemse LOL.
Cheslin Kolbe; tiny tiny but he will make you look like a fool he is that elusive. Plays as 14/15 but has experience at 9 as well.
Jaco Taute is a utility back prefering 15 and has actually donned the Bok no 13 jersey outside JdV and was fast tracked but I put him here because he hasn't played any rugby for a while now on the back of two huge injuries and it proably remains to be seen whether he can come back succcessfully from them.


I include those because there is space for another lock- because of FvdMerwe and Juandre Kruger being limited- and outside backs.


Regarding England, could we expect to see the likes of that huge no.8 (Vulipola or something) and Christian Wade (who I remember because he pretty much ended our U20 hopes a couple of seasons ago single handedly and reminded me of Jason Robinson) this November?
 
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Wish well to SA, I hope they maintain the level that they showed during the TRC and why not improve it.
 
Cheers for the info guys!

Regarding England, could we expect to see the likes of that huge no.8 (Vulipola or something) and Christian Wade (who I remember because he pretty much ended our U20 hopes a couple of seasons ago single handedly and reminded me of Jason Robinson) this November?

You could very well see Billy Vunipola playing. He's been playing very well for Saracens since moving there (to join his brother, Mako) from Wasps.
He's around 130kg but has really improved his conditioning.
Our first choice 8 - Ben Morgan - has not been playing very well this season but he was one of the outstanding players of our summer tour to Argentina.
Vunipola might not start the first test, but he will definitely feature from the bench, and might even overtake Morgan.

We only have 3 wingers in our squad; Chris Ashton, Marland Yarde and Christian Wade.
Wade is phenomenal in attack, but there are big questions about his defense - just because he's so small.
England fans will be very upset if he isn't given a chance though.
 
^^ thanks, will keep an eye on the English games. I think England and SA are in the same boat regarding rebuilding the test team pretty much from scratch with England probably 1 season ahead of us. Exciting times!


Wish well to SA, I hope they maintain the level that they showed during the TRC and why not improve it.

Ditto, my friend! Argentina underwhelmed in the first and last RC test but made a real fist of it in between. Best of luck for the EoYT!
 
So Jaque Fourie hasn't exactly gone out on a limb to get into the Bokke again but at least is available (see link below). Frans Steyn is back from injury. JJ Engelbrecht has looked good with ball in hand but I have questions about him and JdV as a combination on defense especially if Morne Steyn is going to be at 10. Many arguments for and against both Frans Steyn and Jaque Fourie but they are solid in the midfield on D at least and aren't shabby ball in hand as well...

A question then is do you sacrifice a player like Serfontein's fasttracking ITO test experience for Jaque Fourie or Frans Steyn both of whom have given the Bok jersey something of a cold shoulder? I'm not sure I'd like tat. JJ Engelbrecht can do duty on the wing for now IMO. With Habana off, Aplon seemingly not in HM's sights, JPP only returning and Basson just not up to scratch he is a good candidate IMO especially since I'd like to see Willie at the back for a game or two against quality opposition just so that we know what we have in that option.

Frans Steyn is perhaps a good candidate for the no.22 jersey as he can (if fit) cover 15 though his positioning is suspect IMO and he does not offer the counter-attacking possibilities either of Willie le Roux, Gio Aplon and even Pat Lambie does.

Plenty to ponder for HM though I don't expect he'll be making wholesale changes.





http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_8986629,00.html
 
So Jaque Fourie hasn't exactly gone out on a limb to get into the Bokke again but at least is available (see link below). Frans Steyn is back from injury. JJ Engelbrecht has looked good with ball in hand but I have questions about him and JdV as a combination on defense especially if Morne Steyn is going to be at 10. Many arguments for and against both Frans Steyn and Jaque Fourie but they are solid in the midfield on D at least and aren't shabby ball in hand as well...

A question then is do you sacrifice a player like Serfontein's fasttracking ITO test experience for Jaque Fourie or Frans Steyn both of whom have given the Bok jersey something of a cold shoulder? I'm not sure I'd like tat. JJ Engelbrecht can do duty on the wing for now IMO. With Habana off, Aplon seemingly not in HM's sights, JPP only returning and Basson just not up to scratch he is a good candidate IMO especially since I'd like to see Willie at the back for a game or two against quality opposition just so that we know what we have in that option.

Frans Steyn is perhaps a good candidate for the no.22 jersey as he can (if fit) cover 15 though his positioning is suspect IMO and he does not offer the counter-attacking possibilities either of Willie le Roux, Gio Aplon and even Pat Lambie does.

Plenty to ponder for HM though I don't expect he'll be making wholesale changes.





http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_8986629,00.html

I have always been a fan of Jaque Fourie. He will be of great value to this young team even if it's just as a mentor role.
 
Wales v SA is one match I'm looking forward to this summer. Hoping Wales can get their first choice pack out at the very least and SA do likewise. This is a potential 2015 WC quarter final if Wales finish 2nd in Pool A and in all likelihood SA top Pool B.
 
i know that sa will beat scotland but i just hope we atleast play a good game like the last time we played
 
With the Currie Cup final over, it's time to announce the squad for the November Tour. They used to announce it straight after the game, but now we have to wait till Monday.

Any suggestions on what uncapped and returning players will be in the squad? I feel this is the time to experiemtne with new players. We are solid 2nd on the IRB ranking, nothing to lose, everything to gain. Here are my suggestions:

Deon Fourie
Great flanker, great poise in his game. Head and shoulders above the rest of the loose forwards in this years Currie Cup season

Pieter-Steph du Toit
Man of the Match in the final, great talent. Must be a definite name on the list

Damien de Allende
Inside center for WP, who has been immense as well, this Currie Cup. Deserves a shot in a Tour which I would use to try some new players rather than sticking with the core.

Demetri Catrakilis
Put his hand up to be at least the 3rd fly-half, despite Goosen being fit. If Steyn is rested, we might see Lambie, Goosen and the Cat. Who knows?

Marnitz Boshoff
This might be a shot in the dark, but Boshoff was great at full-back for the Golden Lions and adds the ability of goal-kicking in case it's needed. Can play several positions.

And now for some vets.

Francois Steyn
Back in the mix after a 5-month absence. Will he be picked?

Schalk Burger
Similar to Steyn, he is getting back from injury but it might be a tad too early for Schalk.
 
With the Currie Cup final over, it's time to announce the squad for the November Tour. They used to announce it straight after the game, but now we have to wait till Monday.

Any suggestions on what uncapped and returning players will be in the squad? I feel this is the time to experiemtne with new players. We are solid 2nd on the IRB ranking, nothing to lose, everything to gain. Here are my suggestions:

Deon Fourie
Great flanker, great poise in his game. Head and shoulders above the rest of the loose forwards in this years Currie Cup season

Pieter-Steph du Toit
Man of the Match in the final, great talent. Must be a definite name on the list

Damien de Allende
Inside center for WP, who has been immense as well, this Currie Cup. Deserves a shot in a Tour which I would use to try some new players rather than sticking with the core.

Demetri Catrakilis
Put his hand up to be at least the 3rd fly-half, despite Goosen being fit. If Steyn is rested, we might see Lambie, Goosen and the Cat. Who knows?

Marnitz Boshoff
This might be a shot in the dark, but Boshoff was great at full-back for the Golden Lions and adds the ability of goal-kicking in case it's needed. Can play several positions.

And now for some vets.

Francois Steyn
Back in the mix after a 5-month absence. Will he be picked?

Schalk Burger
Similar to Steyn, he is getting back from injury but it might be a tad too early for Schalk.

Bok team will be announced today at 16:30 CAT.

I'm very interested to see who gets picked...

Jip. that time again. Can't wait!

As for the speculation I've heard a rumor that HM wants Bakkies Botha to play a part this tour. Shear speculation but I'd welcome a lock trio of Botha, Etzebeth and PSdT (who simply cannot be left behind) rotating and with Bakkies providing the experience. That's assuming he won't get up to the *** off the ball that he got ever more into towards his last games for the Bokke; a lmore level-headed Bakkies could do wonders for us while we have a great future combination in Etzebeth and Du Toit both only 21!!

Speaking of Bakkies and returning 'oldies' I don't think Schalk has shown enough to lift anyone out of the squad yet.. not Kolisi and it'll be a tussle with Arno Botha when he returns. As for a 2nd 'fetcher' to back up FLouw I don't think it is as critical as it was what with Vermeulen, Bismarck and Oosthuizen very capable over the ball but I would still back Brussow to make a big impact for the Bokke. But we know HM seems to have a blind spot for HB and even though I agree Deon Fourie can make the same type of impact I can't see HM picking him; he is even lighter than Brussow and doesn't have the test experience. Sad but true.

On Frans Steyn.. he is still somewhat off the pace IMO but I would love for him to get uber fit and play for the Bokke again. That 12 jersey really has some competition between current captain (how long still?) JdV, Frans Steyn staging a come-back (has utility value so maybe perfect #22 if not starting ahead of JdV at this stage?) with youngsters Serfontein and De Allende pushing hard. Ebersohn has been the unsung hero but TBH we can do without. I worry about the #13 jersey though; Jaque Fourie is trying to get in while still being based in Japan. I don't write off the Japanese based; true the standard is probably lower but JF and FdP have proven their class and the 'rest' just might prove beneficial. I am worried though about the half-arsed commitment; "I am available but unwilling to sacrifice".. is basically what I am getting. JJ Engelbrecht has done admirably but I worry about his effectiveness in tight games and his impact on defense where Jaque Fourie is a fortress. Shifting one of our 12's out a spot?? Tough choices.

Catrakilis? Maybe but only after Lambie, Goosen and Steyn IMO. So maybe as a 3rd option if Steyn gets a rest? But I doubt HM will go that route as Lambie and Goosen need the caps and it'd probably be more sensible to include Steyn as a 'safety net'/mentor.

I think the big 3 question marks (I see PSdT as a done deal) are 9, 3 and 15. Will FdP tour and be available throughout the foreseeable future? Who is the debuty? IMO no-one stands out; kind of a field of almost-there 9's behind FdP. Take a long shot on the in-form Kockott? Might as well IMO.. nothing to lose there. But that'd be ANOTHER overseas based player...
Janne du Plessis is my new pariah. I just think he has too easy a ride and is too much of a liability. Mujati is injured even if he was interested in a test return (which it doesn't seem like it), Oosthuizen is a monster but I question his technique; still think we need to persist with him there and bring Lourens Adriaanse and Frans Malherbe along for the ride IMO. Marcel van der Merwe as well to cover both LH and TH. So I'd go with 6 props; Beast, Steenkamp. MvdM(or Nyakane if MvdM is oversupply), Oosthuizen, Adriaanse and Malherbe.

15... Lambie needs to start- START!- at 10. Not 20 minutes at the end or some such ***. The guy needs a consecutive run of starts. Goosen on the bench. So that leaves Kirchner; no!, Willie le Roux; maybe, depending on the wings (is JPP available?- just no Basson, please!), I still like Ludik but he is off now and hasn't even been playing at 15 regularly so probably not a chance sadly. Taute is still out. Boshoff has had a couple of good outings but I'd like to see him in SR and I distrust the form of Lions players coming into the Bokke; just too different a game. That said I wouldn't be complaining if he comes in as a fringe/utility player as a test experiment. We've seen weirder bolters in the past.

Please, just leave JdP behind and don't have a look in on Kirchner, Juandre Kruger, FvdM (both) and Basson. PSdT is an absolute no-brainer- that just about sums it up for me.
 
Speculations, speculations...

I also read about Bakkies and Jaque Fourie. I for on think Bakkies should just be used as a mentor role if PSDT makes the cut, especially with the NH fields.

Fly Half is a conundrum, if the final is anything to go by, then neither Lambie nor Catrakilis would make the cut. Catrakilis is the same as Morne Steyn, a great kicker, but nothing else. Lambie on the other hand, apart from the drop goals, is a liability with the boot. he showed in that final that he doesn't have the BMT like others, especially when kicking at goal. How many did he miss?? 5?? That leaves Goosen in the prime spot behing Morne. But I don't know what HM wants out of this tour...

Frans Steyn impressed me a lot in the final, his defence was immense!! he should be in the squad for the tour, doesn't matter which position he plays.

As for the back row... here I wouldn't meddle too much with the combo of Flouw, Alberts and Vermeulen. But their back-ups are a question mark. I heard that Pierre Spies is ready to play again, and Arno Botha only started training again last week. Brussouw is in Japan and I don't know if he has the clause in his contract like FdP and JPP... so I would seriously look at Deon Fourie. Schalk is not ready yet, so stick with Siya...

Scrumhalf... What are we gonna do here?? I hope we pick FdP (if he isn't injured) with Jano and Piet van Zyl/Ruan Pienaar as back-up. Ruan always plays better for the Boks in the NH, so I wouldn't mind if he gets the nod again.

I think the big question is, will HM look at continuity (which I think he will), with a few minor additions. Or will he look at the NH conditions, the Opposition and pick a team that are sure to win in those conditions, against those teams...
 
Pure Spoes? Fok of!!

Yeah a lot of ?s actually. I see it as a positive; it means we can improve sooo much still!

I think Lambie had a great game on Saturday apart from the goal kicking he was immense! With Goosen only just back from recovering I'd go 1 Lambie, 2 Goosen and keep Steyn in my pocket; what do we have to gain from staring M Steyn? If we go Pienaar/Kockott at 9 we don't even have to rely on Lambie at the posts though I would still want him to have the duty in order to get going in that department. Remember Goosen has also had some dodgy games ITO his goal kicking. AT 9 I'd hate to see Pienaar again; I near tore my hair out this weekend seeing the slow service of Louis Schreuder and I'd hate to see Pienaar doing the same. Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Cobus Reinach... meh. I'd actually try Kockott. But then it's probably a good thing that my opinion counts for nada.

Centres I'd have JdV, Frans Steyn, Serfontein and Jaque Fourie. De Allende and JJ there in the extended squad in case of injury. I'd start JdV and Fourie. Fransie on the bench as utility until he proves hus fuhtness while Serfontein for me is a sure thing after 2015 and it'd be good to keep him in the mix and have a go now and then. Positioning (both body position and his position in space) in defence the only thing he needs to work on a bit.

Back three; Habana, Le Roux and JPP. Aplon showed on the weekend that he just does not have the boot and ability to make the required impact when space is limited that those three have much as I love him for us at CC/SR level;

9 FdP
10 Lambie (I'd love to see the kid start for once and with service unlike the *** he has gotten from Pienaar/Hougaard)
11 Habana
12 JdV
13 J Fourie
14 JPP
15 Le Roux

20 R Kockott
21 J Goosen
22 F Steyn

The forwards (at least the starting pack) pick themselves IMO with the provision of JdP gettingthe rest of the year off and our lock combination being mainly Etzebeth-PSdT. If Bakkies is there then fine, I can accept PSdT getting phased in for against Wales or Etzebeth getting rotated as he has played a lot of rugby this year. IE no passengers, please!

For Wales;

1 Beast Mtawarira
2 Bismarck
3 Oosthuizen
4 Botha
5 Etzebeth
6 Flouw
7 Alberts
8 Vermeulen

16 Steenkamp
17 Human cannon ball Strauss
18 PSdT!!! to wreak havoc with 30 minutes to go and not letting go of the 5 jersey from there on out until he dies of old age.
19 The colossus Kolisi (okay so he's the smallest in the pack..) though he faces stiff competition not least from Schalk Burger
23 Frans Malherbe (WP bias :p) - up for grabs with Jannie out please.
 
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Yeah a lot of ?s actually. I see it as a positive; it means we can improve sooo much still!

I think Lambie had a great game on Saturday apart from the goal kicking he was immense! With Goosen only just back from recovering I'd go 1 Lambie, 2 Goosen and keep Steyn in my pocket; what do we have to gain from staring M Steyn? If we go Pienaar/Kockott at 9 we don't even have to rely on Lambie at the posts though I would still want him to have the duty in order to get going in that department. Remember Goosen has also had some dodgy games ITO his goal kicking. AT 9 I'd hate to see Pienaar again; I near tore my hair out this weekend seeing the slow service of Louis Schreuder and I'd hate to see Pienaar doing the same. Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Cobus Reinach... meh. I'd actually try Kockott. But then it's probably a good thing that my opinion counts for nada.

Centres I'd have JdV, Frans Steyn, Serfontein and Jaque Fourie. De Allende and JJ there in the extended squad in case of injury. I'd start JdV and Fourie. Fransie on the bench as utility until he proves hus fuhtness while Serfontein for me is a sure thing after 2015 and it'd be good to keep him in the mix and have a go now and then. Positioning (both body position and his position in space) in defence the only thing he needs to work on a bit.

Back three; Habana, Le Roux and JPP. Aplon showed on the weekend that he just does not have the boot and ability to make the required impact when space is limited that those three have much as I love him for us at CC/SR level;

9 FdP
10 Lambie (I'd love to see the kid start for once and with service unlike the *** he has gotten from Pienaar/Hougaard)
11 Habana
12 JdV
13 J Fourie
14 JPP
15 Le Roux

20 R Kockott
21 J Goosen
22 F Steyn

The forwards (at least the starting pack) pick themselves IMO with the provision of JdP gettingthe rest of the year off and our lock combination being mainly Etzebeth-PSdT. If Bakkies is there then fine, I can accept PSdT getting phased in for against Wales or Etzebeth getting rotated as he has played a lot of rugby this year. IE no passengers, please!

Kockott??? He's just like Luke Watson!! he brings a bad vibe to the team. I don't care how good he's playing, I won't pick him for the boks. Hell!! I'd even pick Mcleod ahead of him!!

Stormer, do you agree that Kolbe just won't make it at test level? The Sharks just showed how to stop him, and he got monstered in a few tackles.

My team would be:

1. Beast
2. Bismarck
3. Coenie Oosthuizen
4. Etzebeth
5. PSDT
6. Flouw
7. Alberts
8. Vermeulen

9. FdP
10. Johan Goosen
11. Bryan Habana
12. JDV
13. Jaque Fourie
14. JPP
15. Willie Le Roux

16. Adriaan Strauss
17. Guthro Steenkamp
18. Frans Malherbe
19. Juandre Kruger
20. Siya Kolisi
21. Jano Vermaak
22. Pat Lambie
23. Jan Serfontein

24. Deon Fourie
25. Marcel van Der Merwe
26. Marcel Coetzee
27. Piet van Zyl
28. JJ Engelbrecht
29. Morne Steyn
30. Lappies Labuschagne
 
Sadly, I would agree Kolbe is just too tiny- what is he like 68kgs or something ridiculous; my wife would overpower him in a wrestle. LOL, Shane Williams would have 12kgs on him and while he is a dangerous customer he still has a ways to go (ITO ability) to be able to get in like Williams would. Ja, the risk of constant turn-overs when he inevitably gets driven back 5m is just too big.
 
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Squad was announced:

The Springbok squad for the Castle Lager Outgoing Tour 2013:

Zane Kirchner Fullback 28 caps 25 points 29 years
Gio Aplon Fullback/Wing 17 caps 25 points 31 years
Willie le Roux Fullback/Wing 9 caps 15 points 24 years

JP Pietersen Wing 48 caps 70points 27 years
Bryan Habana Wing 92 caps 265 points 30 years
JJ Engelbrecht Centre/Wing 10 caps 20 points 24 years
Jaque Fourie Centre 69 caps 160 points 32 years
Jean de Villiers (captain) Centre 93 caps 120 points 32 years
Jan Serfontein Centre 9 caps 5 points 20 years

Morné Steyn Flyhalf 51 caps 618 points 29 years
Johan Goosen Flyhalf 4 caps 8 points 21 years
Pat Lambie Flyhalf/Fullback 29 caps 55 points 23 years

Fourie du Preez Scrumhalf 65 caps 70 points 31 years
Ruan Pienaar Scrumhalf 71 caps 130 points 29 years
Louis Schreuder Scrumhalf 0 caps 0 points 23 years

Duane Vermeulen No 8 13 caps 5 points 27 years
Siya Kolisi Loose forward 8 caps 0 points 22 years
Francois Louw Loose forward 25 caps 25 points 28 years
Willem Alberts Loose forward 27 caps 30 points 28 years
Marcell Coetzee Loose forward 14 caps 5 points 22 years

Pieter-Steph du Toit Lock 0 caps 0 points 21 years
Eben Etzebeth Lock 20 caps 0 points 22 years
Flip van der Merwe Lock 31 caps 5 points 28 years
Bakkies Botha Lock 76 caps 35 points 34 years

Jannie du Plessis Prop 51 caps 5 points 30 years
Frans Malherbe Prop 0 caps 0 points 22 years
Coenie Oosthuizen Prop 11 caps 5 points 24 years
Gurthrö Steenkamp Prop 46 caps 30 points 32 years
Tendai Mtawarira Prop 50 caps 10 points 28 years

Bismarck du Plessis Hooker 54 caps 40 points 29 years
Adriaan Strauss Hooker 30 caps 25 points 27 years
Scarra Ntubeni Hooker 0 caps 0 points 22 years
 
- How the hell is Zane Kirchner still in the squad?!
- Flip van der Merwe? Really?
- Jannie du Plessis? What the hell did he do to get selected?

Meanwhile we only have Louis Schreuder, Pieter-Steph du Toit (great to see him by the way), Scarra Ntunbeni and Frans Malherbe as uncapped players.

Why the hell are we not trying some new things? Give some youngsters a shot. There is nothing to gain in this tour. We are 2nd on the IRB ranking, already protected in the World Cup draw that was last year. Nothing to lose and still this conservative, cautious crap we have to deal with!
 
Zane Kirchner Fullback 28 caps 25 points 29 years I am so sad right now..
Gio Aplon Fullback/Wing 17 caps 25 points 31 years I am happy for Gio but he is not a Bok IMO and time is not on his side to develop into the role..
Willie le Roux Fullback/Wing 9 caps 15 points 24 years

JP Pietersen Wing 48 caps 70points 27 years Whoop, whoop! The man is back!
Bryan Habana Wing 92 caps 265 points 30 years
JJ Engelbrecht Centre/Wing 10 caps 20 points 24 years
Jaque Fourie Centre 69 caps 160 points 32 years Whoop, whoop! THE man is back!
Jean de Villiers (captain) Centre 93 caps 120 points 32 years
Jan Serfontein Centre 9 caps 5 points 20 years

Morné Steyn Flyhalf 51 caps 618 points 29 years
Johan Goosen Flyhalf 4 caps 8 points 21 years
Pat Lambie Flyhalf/Fullback 29 caps 55 points 23 years

Fourie du Preez Scrumhalf 65 caps 70 points 31 years
Ruan Pienaar Scrumhalf 71 caps 130 points 29 years **** me..
Louis Schreuder Scrumhalf 0 caps 0 points 23 years **** me real hard!..

Duane Vermeulen No 8 13 caps 5 points 27 years
Siya Kolisi Loose forward 8 caps 0 points 22 years
Francois Louw Loose forward 25 caps 25 points 28 years
Willem Alberts Loose forward 27 caps 30 points 28 years
Marcell Coetzee Loose forward 14 caps 5 points 22 years We have better options but I doubt he'll play in any case so..

Pieter-Steph du Toit Lock 0 caps 0 points 21 years Watch out!
Eben Etzebeth Lock 20 caps 0 points 22 years
Flip van der Merwe Lock 31 caps 5 points 28 years We have better options but I doubt he'll play in any case so..
Bakkies Botha Lock 76 caps 35 points 34 years Whoop, whoop! THE MAN is back!

Jannie du Plessis Prop 51 caps 5 points 30 years Does not deserve to be here on current form; even less so than the Kirchner/Pienaar axis of mediocrity. Will probably be 1st choice which is the biggest joke.
Frans Malherbe Prop 0 caps 0 points 22 years Oh, yeah, the big boy has big potential!!
Coenie Oosthuizen Prop 11 caps 5 points 24 years
Gurthrö Steenkamp Prop 46 caps 30 points 32 years
Tendai Mtawarira Prop 50 caps 10 points 28 years

Bismarck du Plessis Hooker 54 caps 40 points 29 years
Adriaan Strauss Hooker 30 caps 25 points 27 years
Scarra Ntubeni Hooker 0 caps 0 points 22 years Not surprised. We could have gone with either of Chili or Brits but TBH all would be 3rd in line and Scarra has been doing very well.
 
What is the level of JP Pietersen today? Long ago he doesn't play in Boks
 
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