Will full 15-man rugby ever be an olympic sport?

[ruckin]

I'm real excited about 7s being in the upcoming olympics, since it's better than no rugby at all, but is it realistic to think that 15s will ever be in the olympics? The only big obstacle that I can think of is the amount of time needed between matches.

Thoughts?

 

[RoosTah]

I'm real excited about 7s being in the upcoming olympics, since it's better than no rugby at all, but is it realistic to think that 15s will ever be in the olympics? The only big obstacle that I can think of is the amount of time needed between matches.

Thoughts?

I don't think it fits the Olympics - much like it being pretty pointless having soccer in there. Soccer has the benefit of being able to be played without much turn-around due to its low contact nature (read: game for pussies), so they can do it, but it shouldn't be there given how much other international stuff they have.

Rugby doesn't need to be in the Olympics in its full XV a side form - having the 7s is enough and is a better fit to the format of the Olympics frankly.

 

[Tony Manx]

No and neither will Test Cricket!!!

 

[ruckin]

Yeah good point, I guess with the RWC every 4 years, having it in the olympics every 4 years also would be a bit overkill.

Speaking of which, I'm stoked for the RWC this fall

 

[RedruthRFC]

No for all the reasons listed above, plus....

If you look at the entry criteria for new Olympic sports (sorry, I can't be bothered to look them up to quote them, so I'm working from memory), they are pretty exacting. I imagine the World Rugby could make changes to satisfy most criteria, but the big stumbling block is that unlike sevens, XVs lacks the worldwide participation that the IOC look for. I suspect that they may also look for gender equality in participation - an area where rugby in general falls down pretty badly.

 

[Car]

IIRC, you need to finish the tournament in two weeks. There's just no way for 15s to manage to do that. That was one of the main reasons they chose 7s. 15s tournaments take far too long for the Olympics.

 

[ruckin]

Good points.

I never knew that the olympic tournaments had to start and finish in 2 weeks. That's interesting.

 

[RedruthRFC]

For fear of pedantry, you've got a bit more than two weeks - soccerball matches are played a day or two before the opening ceremony, but either way, you wouldn't have enough time to play a rugby tournament.

 

[nzlizard]

I don't think it fits the Olympics - much like it being pretty pointless having soccer in there.

My Belief is soccer was put in due to its global appeal and it would bring a new audience to the games.

 

[sigesige00]

No and neither will Test Cricket!!!

Yes I agree. And I believe that there is no necessity for the Olympics today.

 

[Unol Daleithiau]

Soccer [...](read: game for pussies)

 

[McTallshort]

The beauty of 7s is you can play it all in 2 days in the main stadium and be done and dusted in time for the track and field to start. Soccer has to be played away from the main Olympic stadium in other facilities and the crowds tend to be pants, the same would happen in 15's.

 

[Unol Daleithiau]

Soccer has to be played away from the main Olympic stadium in other facilities and the crowds tend to be pants, the same would happen in 15's.

In all honesty football should be taken out of the Olympics since it isn't a prize to them, it also wastes a spot that could be used for a worthy Olympic sport.

7s is perfect for the Olympics and should replace the WC 7s in all honesty. 15s will not, and should not be in the Olympics. 15s has also created a major event with the RWC that needs to stay the sport's major world event. Not to mention 15s would be a pain in the Olympics due to the scheduling required for the safety of the athletes, with the rest between matches.

 

[GalBrEusCat]

Yes, but with a different tournament system: Swiss System.

Men's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) South Africa
2) Ireland
3) New Zealand
4) France
5) Great Britain
6) Argentina
7) Australia
8) Japan (or USA)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Sunday, day 1 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
RSA 29-20 GBR
IRL 22-19 ARG (b)
(b) NZL 33-13 AUS
(b) FRA 35-17 JPN
1st NZL (5), 2nd FRA (5), 3rd RSA (4) , 4th IRL (4), 5th ARG (1), 6th GBR (0), 7th JPN (0), 8th AUS (0)

Round 2 (Saturday, day 7 ot the Olympic Games)
NZL 31-28 RSA (b)
FRA 17-38 IRL (b)
ARG 39-27 JPN
(b) GBR 27-13 AUS
1st IRL (9), 2nd NZL (9), 3rd ARG (5), 4th RSA (5), 5th GBR (5), 6th FRA (5), 7th JPN (0) 8th AUS (0)

Round 3 (Friday, day 13 ot the Olympic Games)
IRL 13-23 NZL
ARG 7-48 RSA (b)
(b) GBR 31-33 FRA
JPN 23-32 AUS (b)

Gold: New Zealand (13 points)
Silver: South Africa (10)
Bronze: Ireland (9, ga: +14)
4th: France (9, ga:-1)
5th Great Britain (6)
6th Australia (5, ga: -25)
7th Argentina (5; ga: -32)
8th Japan (0)


Women's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) Great Britain
2) Canada
3) New Zealand
4) France
5 ) Australia
6) Ireland
7) South Africa
8) Japan (or USA, or Brazil)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Monday, day 2 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
(b) GBR 42-7 AUS
CAN 21-8 IRL
(b) NZL 55-3 RSA
(b) FRA 72-14 JPN
1st FRA (5), 2nd NZL (5), 3rd GBR (5) , 4th CAN (4), 5th IRL (1), 6th AUS (0), 7th RSA (0), 8th JPN (0)

Round 2 (Sunday, day 8 ot the Olympic Games)
FRA 19-38 GBR (b)
(b) NZL 19-22 CAN
(b) IRL 36-18 RSA
(b) AUS 10-12 JPN
1st GBR (10), 2nd CAN (8), 3rd NZL (6), 4th IRL (6), 5th FRA (5), 6th JPN (4), 7th AUS (1), 8th RSA (0)

Round 3 (Saturday, day 14 ot the Olympic Games)
GBR 21-12 CAN
(b) NZL 27-29 IRL (b)
FRA 20-29 AUS
(b) JPN 24-31 RSA

Gold: Great Britain (14 points)
Silver: Ireland (11)
Bronze: Canada (8)
4th: New Zealand (7)
5th: France (5, ga: +30)
6th: Australia (5, ga: -28)
7th: Japan (5, ga: -63)
8th Sout Africa (4)

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Yes, but with a different tournament system: Swiss System.

Men's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) South Africa
2) Ireland
3) New Zealand
4) France
5) Great Britain
6) Argentina
7) Australia
8) Japan (or USA)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Sunday, day 1 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
RSA 29-20 GBR
IRL 22-19 ARG (b)
(b) NZL 33-13 AUS
(b) FRA 35-17 JPN
1st NZL (5), 2nd FRA (5), 3rd RSA (4) , 4th IRL (4), 5th ARG (1), 6th GBR (0), 7th JPN (0), 8th AUS (0)

Round 2 (Saturday, day 7 ot the Olympic Games)
NZL 31-28 RSA (b)
FRA 17-38 IRL (b)
ARG 39-27 JPN
(b) GBR 27-13 AUS
1st IRL (9), 2nd NZL (9), 3rd ARG (5), 4th RSA (5), 5th GBR (5), 6th FRA (5), 7th JPN (0) 8th AUS (0)

Round 3 (Friday, day 13 ot the Olympic Games)
IRL 13-23 NZL
ARG 7-48 RSA (b)
(b) GBR 31-33 FRA
JPN 23-32 AUS (b)

Gold: New Zealand (13 points)
Silver: South Africa (10)
Bronze: Ireland (9, ga: +14)
4th: France (9, ga:-1)
5th Great Britain (6)
6th Australia (5, ga: -25)
7th Argentina (5; ga: -32)
8th Japan (0)


Women's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) Great Britain
2) Canada
3) New Zealand
4) France
5 ) Australia
6) Ireland
7) South Africa
8) Japan (or USA, or Brazil)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Monday, day 2 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
(b) GBR 42-7 AUS
CAN 21-8 IRL
(b) NZL 55-3 RSA
(b) FRA 72-14 JPN
1st FRA (5), 2nd NZL (5), 3rd GBR (5) , 4th CAN (4), 5th IRL (1), 6th AUS (0), 7th RSA (0), 8th JPN (0)

Round 2 (Sunday, day 8 ot the Olympic Games)
FRA 19-38 GBR (b)
(b) NZL 19-22 CAN
(b) IRL 36-18 RSA
(b) AUS 10-12 JPN
1st GBR (10), 2nd CAN (8), 3rd NZL (6), 4th IRL (6), 5th FRA (5), 6th JPN (4), 7th AUS (1), 8th RSA (0)

Round 3 (Saturday, day 14 ot the Olympic Games)
GBR 21-12 CAN
(b) NZL 27-29 IRL (b)
FRA 20-29 AUS
(b) JPN 24-31 RSA

Gold: Great Britain (14 points)
Silver: Ireland (11)
Bronze: Canada (8)
4th: New Zealand (7)
5th: France (5, ga: +30)
6th: Australia (5, ga: -28)
7th: Japan (5, ga: -63)
8th Sout Africa (4)

you know you replied to a thread from nearly 10 years ago?

 

[AlRums]

Yes, but with a different tournament system: Swiss System.

Men's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) South Africa
2) Ireland
3) New Zealand
4) France
5) Great Britain
6) Argentina
7) Australia
8) Japan (or USA)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Sunday, day 1 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
RSA 29-20 GBR
IRL 22-19 ARG (b)
(b) NZL 33-13 AUS
(b) FRA 35-17 JPN
1st NZL (5), 2nd FRA (5), 3rd RSA (4) , 4th IRL (4), 5th ARG (1), 6th GBR (0), 7th JPN (0), 8th AUS (0)

Round 2 (Saturday, day 7 ot the Olympic Games)
NZL 31-28 RSA (b)
FRA 17-38 IRL (b)
ARG 39-27 JPN
(b) GBR 27-13 AUS
1st IRL (9), 2nd NZL (9), 3rd ARG (5), 4th RSA (5), 5th GBR (5), 6th FRA (5), 7th JPN (0) 8th AUS (0)

Round 3 (Friday, day 13 ot the Olympic Games)
IRL 13-23 NZL
ARG 7-48 RSA (b)
(b) GBR 31-33 FRA
JPN 23-32 AUS (b)

Gold: New Zealand (13 points)
Silver: South Africa (10)
Bronze: Ireland (9, ga: +14)
4th: France (9, ga:-1)
5th Great Britain (6)
6th Australia (5, ga: -25)
7th Argentina (5; ga: -32)
8th Japan (0)


Women's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) Great Britain
2) Canada
3) New Zealand
4) France
5 ) Australia
6) Ireland
7) South Africa
8) Japan (or USA, or Brazil)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Monday, day 2 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
(b) GBR 42-7 AUS
CAN 21-8 IRL
(b) NZL 55-3 RSA
(b) FRA 72-14 JPN
1st FRA (5), 2nd NZL (5), 3rd GBR (5) , 4th CAN (4), 5th IRL (1), 6th AUS (0), 7th RSA (0), 8th JPN (0)

Round 2 (Sunday, day 8 ot the Olympic Games)
FRA 19-38 GBR (b)
(b) NZL 19-22 CAN
(b) IRL 36-18 RSA
(b) AUS 10-12 JPN
1st GBR (10), 2nd CAN (8), 3rd NZL (6), 4th IRL (6), 5th FRA (5), 6th JPN (4), 7th AUS (1), 8th RSA (0)

Round 3 (Saturday, day 14 ot the Olympic Games)
GBR 21-12 CAN
(b) NZL 27-29 IRL (b)
FRA 20-29 AUS
(b) JPN 24-31 RSA

Gold: Great Britain (14 points)
Silver: Ireland (11)
Bronze: Canada (8)
4th: New Zealand (7)
5th: France (5, ga: +30)
6th: Australia (5, ga: -28)
7th: Japan (5, ga: -63)
8th Sout Africa (4)

Love to see the arguments over GBR selection

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Love to see the arguments over GBR selection

That's a proper fight there, especially with Ireland being excluded from GBR by the look of it

 

[McTallshort]

That's a proper fight there, especially with Ireland being excluded from GBR by the look of it

Not the Ulster players...

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

There is something i can't fully grasp about this. By this i mean 7s vs 15s. WR is doing quite a lot to promote the sevens series, but whenever i talk to casual fans, the kind that follow their team every week and/or watch the rugby championship or the six nations, very, very, very few follow the sevens circuit. They dont give a **** to be honest.
I find it quite entertaining to be honest. It is very open, offensive and fast paced. And there are TONS of upsets..
And i could argue the scheduling is, well, complicated, but i don't think that's it. They tend to disregard the sport.

How many players from the 15s come from sevens? In Arg i can think of Moroni, Cordero, Isgro, Imhoff and Bazan Velez. I remember Cullen and Lomu playing for NZ (but that was aeons ago) and Colbe and Kwagga for RSA.
Cant think of many NH players. AD is not a good example, as he went from 15s to 7s and not the other way around.

I really enjoy watching it, but i don't see many people that do.

 

[GalBrEusCat]

There is something i can't fully grasp about this. By this i mean 7s vs 15s. WR is doing quite a lot to promote the sevens series, but whenever i talk to casual fans, the kind that follow their team every week and/or watch the rugby championship or the six nations, very, very, very few follow the sevens circuit. They dont give a **** to be honest.
I find it quite entertaining to be honest. It is very open, offensive and fast paced. And there are TONS of upsets..
And i could argue the scheduling is, well, complicated, but i don't think that's it. They tend to disregard the sport.

How many players from the 15s come from sevens? In Arg i can think of Moroni, Cordero, Isgro, Imhoff and Bazan Velez. I remember Cullen and Lomu playing for NZ (but that was aeons ago) and Colbe and Kwagga for RSA.
Cant think of many NH players. AD is not a good example, as he went from 15s to 7s and not the other way around.

I really enjoy watching it, but i don't see many people that do.

It's another topic, but I think that the Summer Olympic Games to recover the 2004 Olympic programme. But that the Urban Olympic Games would be created (held once every four non-leap years: 2022, 2026, 2030,...) where there would be sports such as beach volley rugby'7s, beach handball, futsal, skating, surfing, sport climbing, parkour, chess (rapid), squash, trampoline gymnastic, mini-golf, 3x3 basket, BMX, tug of war, cue sports (carom billiards and snooker), bowling, skating (speed and artistic), roller hockey, basque pelota, urban pentathlon (swimming, canoeing, sport climbing, MTB, laser-running), flag football, paragliding, marathon swimming, high diving (outdoors), ... and then rugby XV, karate, cricket (due to take place in 2028) would be on the Summer Olympics programme (but without golf, equestrian and possibly tennis)

As for what you say, you are right. Besides, it is difficult to follow so many world series, so many championships, and sevens super championships, that one does not know which is the truly important tourmnamet.