Will full 15-man rugby ever be an olympic sport?

[AlRums]

That's a proper fight there, especially with Ireland being excluded from GBR by the look of it

Ireland have never been GBR in my memory.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Ireland have never been GBR in my memory.

Northern Ireland is

 

[AlRums]

It's another topic, but I think that the Summer Olympic Games to recover the 2004 Olympic programme. But that the Urban Olympic Games would be created (held once every four non-leap years: 2022, 2026, 2030,...) where there would be sports such as beach volley rugby'7s, beach handball, futsal, skating, surfing, sport climbing, parkour, chess (rapid), squash, trampoline gymnastic, mini-golf, 3x3 basket, BMX, tug of war, cue sports (carom billiards and snooker), bowling, skating (speed and artistic), roller hockey, basque pelota, urban pentathlon (swimming, canoeing, sport climbing, MTB, laser-running), flag football, paragliding, marathon swimming, high diving (outdoors), ... and then rugby XV, karate, cricket (due to take place in 2028) would be on the Summer Olympics programme (but without golf, equestrian and possibly tennis)

As for what you say, you are right. Besides, it is difficult to follow so many world series, so many championships, and sevens super championships, that one does not know which is the truly important tourmnamet.

It used to be summer and winter Olympics in the same year, the winter Olympics were switched to what you propose to spread the cost to country associations for smaller less wealthy countries.

Mind you, if we could get rid of silly sports like break dancing, skate boarding, beach volleyball etc and country specific sports such as flag football which will be in the next Olympics then that would certainly be an improvement.

As far as rugby XVs is concerned, it's not practical or really possible to hold a representative tournament in two weeks without reasonable rest periods. 7s, remember only play a 15 minute game.

 

[AlRums]

Northern Ireland is

Yes I know that, but Ireland isn't northern Ireland, they're different countries.

Even players in Ulster wouldn't necessarily qualify for a GBR team if they are Irish or Irish qualified.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Based on nationality and the Olympic precedent, Ulster players would be GB, not Irish

As I said, it's a bunfight

 

[The Seeker]

I'm real excited about 7s being in the upcoming olympics, since it's better than no rugby at all, but is it realistic to think that 15s will ever be in the olympics? The only big obstacle that I can think of is the amount of time needed between matches.

Thoughts?

15s used to be in the Summer Olympics. The USA 15s team won Gold in 1920 and 1924. To answer your question, I think it's doubtful. I like 7s too, so it's all good for me. I live in SoCal and am already looking forward to seeing all the rugby I can at the 2028 games in Los Angeles.

 

[The Seeker]

1920 USA Gold Medal team (picture from Wikipedia)



1924 USA Gold Medal team (picture from Wikipedia)

 

[AlRums]

15s used to be in the Summer Olympics. The USA 15s team won Gold in 1920 and 1924. To answer your question, I think it's doubtful. I like 7s too, so it's all good for me. I live in SoCal and am already looking forward to seeing all the rugby I can at the 2028 games in Los Angeles.

And over those 2 Olympics, they played a total of 3 games.

 

[The Seeker]

And over those 2 Olympics, they played a total of 3 games.

You can only play the games on the Olympics schedule. So whether it's 3 or 13, it still equals + .

 

[big ginger 8]

Based on nationality and the Olympic precedent, Ulster players would be GB, not Irish

As I said, it's a bunfight

What precedent would that be? Based on the examples I can think of they would have a choice and based off the clearest parallel of 7s would realistically have to pick Ireland.

 

[AlRums]

What precedent would that be? Based on the examples I can think of they would have a choice and based off the clearest parallel of 7s would realistically have to pick Ireland.

Since your qualification is based on your passport the argument is moot.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Since your qualification is based on your passport the argument is moot.

Good Friday Agreement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ncurd]

Good Friday Agreement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Someone posted it

Folks from Northern Ireland declare whoever the f**k they like.

 

[Rugbyfan564]

It used to be summer and winter Olympics in the same year, the winter Olympics were switched to what you propose to spread the cost to country associations for smaller less wealthy countries.

Mind you, if we could get rid of silly sports like break dancing, skate boarding, beach volleyball etc and country specific sports such as flag football which will be in the next Olympics then that would certainly be an improvement.

As far as rugby XVs is concerned, it's not practical or really possible to hold a representative tournament in two weeks without reasonable rest periods. 7s, remember only play a 15 minute game.

It wasn't only that. It was to bring in more television revenue as well.

 

[Rugbyfan564]

Yes I know that, but Ireland isn't northern Ireland, they're different countries.

Even players in Ulster wouldn't necessarily qualify for a GBR team if they are Irish or Irish qualified.

Ulster in a traditional and rugby sense covers some of the republic as well.

 

[AlRums]

Good Friday Agreement - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

From said document:

"The agreement reached was that Northern Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, and would remain so until a majority of the people both of Northern Ireland and of the Republic of Ireland wished otherwise. Should that happen, then the British and Irish governments are under "a binding obligation" to implement that choice."

 

[ncurd]

From said document:

"The agreement reached was that Northern Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, and would remain so until a majority of the people both of Northern Ireland and of the Republic of Ireland wished otherwise. Should that happen, then the British and Irish governments are under "a binding obligation" to implement that choice."

I think your being incredibly ignorant and literally no knowledge of prior Northern Irish declarations for Ireland

Why does Rory McIlroy represent Ireland at the Olympics?

McIlroy is playing alongside Shane Lowry at the Paris 2024 Games.

www.radiotimes.com

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Yep, both Daniel Wiffen and Rhys McClenaghan opted to represent Ireland as the relevant Irish sporting bodies supported them better in their youth.

Some athletes from the north choose to represent GB but it's uncommon (35/41 represented Ireland this summer I think). Soccer is the outlier and the history behind the split has little to do with politics.

 

[Rugbyfan564]

The Olympics I

Yep, both Daniel Wiffen and Rhys McClenaghan opted to represent Ireland as the relevant Irish sporting bodies supported them better in their youth.

Some athletes from the north choose to represent GB but it's uncommon (35/41 represented Ireland this summer I think). Soccer is the outlier and the history behind the split has little to do with politics.

it was a very successful Olympics for Northern Ireland with four gold medalists. Two for Ireland and two for GB. Before 2024 only three had won across all previous games.

 

[GalBrEusCat]

It used to be summer and winter Olympics in the same year, the winter Olympics were switched to what you propose to spread the cost to country associations for smaller less wealthy countries.

Mind you, if we could get rid of silly sports like break dancing, skate boarding, beach volleyball etc and country specific sports such as flag football which will be in the next Olympics then that would certainly be an improvement.

As far as rugby XVs is concerned, it's not practical or really possible to hold a representative tournament in two weeks without reasonable rest periods. 7s, remember only play a 15 minute game.

Yes, but a tournamentof only 3 games would be possible (keeping the 5 clear days for rest)

Example Paris 2024:
Men's tournament
8 teams (for WR ranking):
1) South Africa
2) Ireland
3) New Zealand
4) France
5) Great Britain
6) Argentina
7) Australia
8) Japan (or USA)
Win – 4 points | Draw – 2 points | At least 3 more tries than opponent – 1 point | Loss within 7 points

Round 1 (Sunday July 28th, day 1 of the Olympic Games) (I'm going to put the results of their last matches, december 2024 )
RSA 29-20 GBR in Grenoble
IRL 22-19 ARG (b) in Toulouse
(b) NZL 33-13 AUS in Toulon
(b) FRA 35-17 JPN in Clermont-Ferrand
1st NZL (5), 2nd FRA (5), 3rd RSA (4) , 4th IRL (4), 5th ARG (1), 6th GBR (0), 7th JPN (0), 8th AUS (0)

Round 2 (Saturday August 3rd, day 7 ot the Olympic Games)
NZL 31-28 RSA (b) in Toulouse
FRA 17-38 IRL (b) in Grenoble
ARG 39-27 JPN in Toulon
(b) GBR 27-13 AUS in Clermont-Ferrand
1st IRL (9), 2nd NZL (9), 3rd ARG (5), 4th RSA (5), 5th GBR (5), 6th FRA (5), 7th JPN (0) 8th AUS (0)

Round 3 (Friday August 9th, day 13 ot the Olympic Games)
IRL 13-23 NZL in Parc des Prinicpes (Paris)
ARG 7-48 RSA (b) in Stade Jean-Bouin (Paris)
(b) GBR 31-33 FRA in La Défense Arena (Nanterre)
JPN 23-32 AUS (b) in Stade Sébastien Charléty

* Medal Ceremony (two hours after the end of the match) in Stade de France

Gold: New Zealand (13 points)
Silver: South Africa (10)
Bronze: Ireland (9, ga: +14)
4th: France (9, ga:-1)
5th Great Britain (6)
6th Australia (5, ga: -25)
7th Argentina (5; ga: -32)
8th Japan (0)