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Who Will Lose Out To Sonny Bill Williams?

unlike some **** french club the Crusaders and AB's will know how to use it.
I have to agree with Olyy, silly call. Any club who has had in the last 3-4 seasons:
Andrew Mehrtens
Victor Matfeild
Jerry Collins
George Gregan
Tana Umaga
Anton Olliver
Jamie Cudmore
Johnny Wilkinson
(and so many more)
Can hardly be called crap. Taking into account that the video shows every highlight in his union career so far, it doesn't impress me too much (not saying he's bad, he is just over hyped in my opinion). It seemed even really silly that his last try (while exciting and well done) was selfsih beyond belief considering the numbers he had out wide.
 
Great players but mostly well past their prime, as opposed to Sonny Bill who's prime is ahead of him. Disagree with you about that last try, its northern hemisphere rugby they would have taken at least ten more phases to score there
 
Great players but mostly well past their prime, as opposed to Sonny Bill who's prime is ahead of him. Disagree with you about that last try, its northern hemisphere rugby they would have taken at least ten more phases to score there

I think we got a nice one there...
 
that was tongue in cheek but if anything he was doing the NH thing of looking for safe contact. That's what I've noticed at club level in NH anyway, their trys are built up over so many phases
 
SBW is a Kiwi Andy Farrell. And we all know how that story ended up.

That video didn't didn't feature a single legal tackle and also only featured one piece of remarkable skill - batting the ball away from the prop in the 2nd to last clip. But even that was an illegal knock on.

So an entire season at a team who damn near dominated the Top 14, and the best highlights are a couple of tries and filler pictures to make up a 3.14 long song. Good luck for that test career...

that was tongue in cheek but if anything he was doing the NH thing of looking for safe contact. That's what I've noticed at club level in NH anyway, their trys are built up over so many phases

It bloody well wasn't, it was blatant antagonism toward non-kiwis who in your mind have no right to discuss another teams player.

You strike me as a snob who's never watched any rugby from outside of New Zealand, but likes to comment on everywhere like you know about it. A typical "The SH is a big happy family" prick.
 
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It bloody well wasn't, it was blatant antagonism toward non-kiwis who in your mind have no right to discuss another teams player.

You strike me as a snob who's never watched any rugby from outside of New Zealand, but likes to comment on everywhere like you know about it. A typical "The SH is a big happy family" prick.

Touchy much, Bullitt?
 
Sometimes my fellow Kiwis make be cringe with embarrassment :blush:

Seriously guys!!. SBW hasn't yet set foot on an ITM Cup playing surface, you've seen a few minutes of video highlights of him playing in a slower NH competition, and you've already got him in an All Black jersey

Now we know that some of NZ's top players have gone to the NH, and when they have come back they have difficulty coping with the additional pace and speed at which we we play the game here. What makes you think that he will be any different, given that Rugby Union isn't even the game he grew up in?

I am prepared to give SBW a chance to see what he can do, but he is a long, long way from wearing Black!!!
 
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Alright thats it, the Andy Farrell comparison was the last straw. I am officially declaring that everyone is being a too harsh on this guy.
Firstly, i disagree with him getting a free pass into the All Blacks for much the same reasons that Nick does, hell i was one of Luke McAllisters biggest fans and i was violently against him being given free entry on return from UK. But! there are a few things that are grating on me.

1)SBW is not some calculating, money grubbing, attention seeker that everyone seems to think he is. He is a young, wide eyed, naive kid from Mt Albert. I have had the honor of meeting the guy before and he is a genuinely nice person. Hes a great sportsman, but off the field he doesn't know what hes doing and doesn't have a lot going on upstairs. From what i have heard he trusts people to a fault, this is how the Bulldogs were able to convince him to sign contracts that weren't in his interests, and how Anthony Mundine and co. manage to talk him into doing anything they want. It never ceases to amaze me when people tag him as this "man with a plan" thats just trying to get rich and get attention, that isnt the case at all. Hes just a kid that doesnt know what to do and is getting pulled in all different directions.

2)This guy isn't in New Zealand for the money (although his manager squeezed a lot out of the NZRU). He legitimately grew up wanting to be an All Black. He is a proud New Zealander, you can tell this from his league days, he turned down the higher honor and exposure of State of Origin and the Kangaroos to play for the nothing Kiwi team. He grew up playing rugby union, he even played on the winning Auckland Roller Mills tournament team (Probably the biggest youth rugby tournament in NZ) and had posters of Christian Cullen and Jonah Lomu on his wall. It just so happened that the highschool in the neighborhood he grew up in had a big focus on rugby league, he got picked up by a league scout as a teenager and the rest is history. Who knows how things would have panned out if he went to Auckland Grammar.

3)Have any of you heard of conformation bias? you should have Nick. If you guys all sit there angrily watching his highlights with the idea of how much you hate him and how bad at sport he is running through your head, then obviously you're going to find reasons to support your bias. Show me any play with any player and someone could find a fault in it. In this one thread i have seen the arguements:
-"Look he didn't have to beat any defenders, hes not that good what a **** player"
-"Look at how many defenders he had to beat! should have passed it, hes not that good what a **** player"
-"Look at that ball he passed! far too risky, hes not that good what a **** player"
-"Look at that tackle, sure he hit him hard but it was a shoulder charge, thats all hes good for hes not that good what a **** player" (Take your biased blindfolds off, he had intention to wrap in all those tackles, its not his fault if he hits them so hard that they fall away from him, give him credit where its due)
-"Look he saved a try, well... it wasn't a shoulder charge but under some technicality its probably wrong somehow, hes still not that good and a **** player" (Actually, if he does it the process of making a tackle then its not a knock on, Gregan vs Wilson much? its an identical tackle and people raved about Gregan.. also, didn't he propel the ball towards his own line anyway?)
"Is that all this guy decided to put on his youtube video?! thats it, he might be 24 years old and hasnt even played a game in NZ yet but im declaring his test career a dud right now."

Do you know what this exact situation reminds me of? Quade Cooper. Everyone thought he was overrated , they saw his highlights and said "Risky, flakey, lets see him do that again, fluke etc.." a guy even took the time to go through every game he played as a 20 year old and make a video showing all his errors. Even this year before the super 14 on this forum people were saying that he was a crap player, people wrote off his test career when he was 21, look at him now hes pegged as one of Australias best players even over Giteau.

4)Hes an amazing sportsman This guy is 6'4, 112kg, has great hands, is incredibly strong, can read a defense and and attack as well as any first five and is very quick. Hes any coaches wet dream, how about instead of ripping into him and declaring him a bust before hes been allowed to set foot on the field, lets give him say 5 games to show what hes got. How about that?

5)Oi, you guys, stop being such negitive dicks yeh?
 
SBW is a Kiwi Andy Farrell. And we all know how that story ended up.

I strongly disagree with that. He actually played quite well in France. He's more of an athlete than Farrell, and to be honest, looks quite at home in Union. He's also not doing it in the twilight of his career, like Farrell. Also, on that note, Farrell got plunged into an odd situation with no one clearly selecting a position for him. It was unfair to England, Saracens and to Farrell. But, c'est la vie. SBW will be a success.
 
SBW is a Kiwi Andy Farrell. And we all know how that story ended up.

That video didn't didn't feature a single legal tackle and also only featured one piece of remarkable skill - batting the ball away from the prop in the 2nd to last clip. But even that was an illegal knock on.

So an entire season at a team who damn near dominated the Top 14, and the best highlights are a couple of tries and filler pictures to make up a 3.14 long song. Good luck for that test career...



It bloody well wasn't, it was blatant antagonism toward non-kiwis who in your mind have no right to discuss another teams player.

You strike me as a snob who's never watched any rugby from outside of New Zealand, but likes to comment on everywhere like you know about it. A typical "The SH is a big happy family" prick.
Good one you, have another drink while your at it. Even if SBW is as bad as you say he'd still walk into any NH national team except maybe Ireland, is that why your so angry?
 
Good one you, have another drink while your at it. Even if SBW is as bad as you say he'd still walk into any NH national team except maybe Ireland, is that why your so angry?

Well woodward, nice knowing you...
 
Good one you, have another drink while your at it. Even if SBW is as bad as you say he'd still walk into any NH national team except maybe Ireland, is that why your so angry?

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Good one you, have another drink while your at it. Even if SBW is as bad as you say he'd still walk into any NH national team except maybe Ireland, is that why your so angry?

Keep going mate, you're on a roll!

Do you want to try for the high score?
 
Good one you, have another drink while your at it. Even if SBW is as bad as you say he'd still walk into any NH national team except maybe Ireland, is that why your so angry?
Aside from the silliness of the beginning of that comment, I strongly disagree with that statement. SBW wouldmake the Italy and scotland teams perhaps, but he wouldn't get a look-in with the other big 4.
 
**** williams wasnt even much of a league player to be honest, **** he runs slow its like hes had a couple of knee ops
 
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