Welsh Rugby Stuff

[McTallshort]

Cardiff go into administration as Welsh Rugby Union steps in

Cardiff Rugby enter administration and will be taken over in a rescue operation by the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU).

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Weldit]

Really worth a listen

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Surely the end of hopes for an increased salary cap next season

 

[Weldit]

Depends I guess. I think a lot of clubs (Wales and UK wide) are living on nothing and this can happen to anyone.

 

[dirty harry]

Really worth a listen

Just listening to this as I make dinner...

First few seconds straight away are shocking, Helford after acquiring ownership just stopped putting money in?!

WTF was going on?

I havnt purchased next years season ticket yet, thankfully.

 

[Weldit]

Just listening to this as I make dinner...

First few seconds straight away are shocking, Helford after acquiring ownership just stopped putting money in?!

WTF was going on?

I havnt purchased next years season ticket yet, thankfully.

Yup. Whatever means tests the WRU used was clearly not good.

 

[dirty harry]

Yup. Whatever means tests the WRU used was clearly not good.

What the hell were they?!

It's an interesting listen...

But I am not enjoying it hahaha

 

[Weldit]

What the hell were they?!

It's an interesting listen...

But I am not enjoying it hahaha

Guessing the same ones they use in football

Financial services firm that collapsed was led by Cardiff Rugby's Neal Griffith

Neal Griffith was chief executive of Optima Worldwide Group at the time of its compulsory liquidation in 2021

www.walesonline.co.uk

"A financial services venture that was led by co-owner of Cardiff Rugby Club Neal Griffith went into liquidation in 2021 owing creditors £37m, WalesOnline can report.

Mr Griffith is the former chief executive and shareholder of financial services venture, Optima Worldwide Group (OWG). The liquidation process for that company is ongoing."

 

[dirty harry]

Jesus this is sad, I'd forgotten the Tewksbury talks in 99, about 5 or 6 welsh clubs joining the English league and deciding, nah we are better than that lol.

They're right, acrdiff will always be around, it's the flagship club they will sacrifice Dragons before allowing to go under, but bugger me this might rock welsh rugby totally it's so fragile.

 

[Weldit]

I think it's the same in all rugby (in the UK at least). A lot of clubs are being held together by very little. I don't think the RFU is much better. There's more money, but it's spread out thinner.

 

[dirty harry]

WRU: Welsh rugby deal delay fears after Cardiff crisis & doubts over new Wales coach for Japan tour

The collapse of Cardiff Rugby will delay the long-awaited professional rugby agreement in Wales.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems the deal is stalled, head coach search will return AFTER the Japan tour, and the other 3 regions are melting down...

Typical Thursday in welsh rugby!

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Warburton in today's Times.

"I genuinely said that with no inkling that Cardiff were going to go into administration. I was on the Cardiff board at the time, but was blissfully unaware of such developments being considered, and when the news broke on Tuesday I was as shocked as anyone".

As far as I can see he wasn't a Director so didn't have that degree of responsibility and accountability, nonetheless it's still a fairly shocking admission from a Board member.

 

[dirty harry]

Warburton in today's Times.

"I genuinely said that with no inkling that Cardiff were going to go into administration. I was on the Cardiff board at the time, but was blissfully unaware of such developments being considered, and when the news broke on Tuesday I was as shocked as anyone".

As far as I can see he wasn't a Director so didn't have that degree of responsibility and accountability, nonetheless it's still a fairly shocking admission from a Board member.

Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense does it, not that I'm accusing him of anything, but a board member stepping down days before the news breaks...

There may have been a wall of secrecy, but we all know noone can fart in a rugby club without people finding out.

 

[Weldit]

Warburton in today's Times.

"I genuinely said that with no inkling that Cardiff were going to go into administration. I was on the Cardiff board at the time, but was blissfully unaware of such developments being considered, and when the news broke on Tuesday I was as shocked as anyone".

As far as I can see he wasn't a Director so didn't have that degree of responsibility and accountability, nonetheless it's still a fairly shocking admission from a Board member.

I like him, but all that talk of cutting the regions from him and this happens under his nose. He's either pretending or he really was clueless and as such, should not have been there.

 

[Weldit]

Cymru’n Un | One Wales

Welsh Rugby Strategy 2024 – 29 Strategaeth Rygbi Cymru

ymlaencymru.com

 

[Bluemoon]

I like him, but all that talk of cutting the regions from him and this happens under his nose. He's either pretending or he really was clueless and as such, should not have been there.

I think his point still stands, although it's always emotive as an area so people will always ask him 'which team should go'. I don't agree with him on the reducing point but I don't think he looks foolish, I think it's supporting what he's saying.

The reason Cardiff went in administration early is their new owners didn't come through on payments they had promised as part of the takeover. All clubs in Wales are struggling financially and will all need support from wealthy benefactors. The hilarious thing is the idea that the first team to struggle should go, Sam didn't say that for sure.

Very similar to some English clubs who are in trouble, only difference here is WRU had to step is as if one team disappears I believe all welsh teams would break current urc contracts etc.

 

[Weldit]

I think his point still stands, although it's always emotive as an area so people will always ask him 'which team should go'. I don't agree with him on the reducing point but I don't think he looks foolish, I think it's supporting what he's saying.

The reason Cardiff went in administration early is their new owners didn't come through on payments they had promised as part of the takeover. All clubs in Wales are struggling financially and will all need support from wealthy benefactors. The hilarious thing is the idea that the first team to struggle should go, Sam didn't say that for sure.

Very similar to some English clubs who are in trouble, only difference here is WRU had to step is as if one team disappears I believe all welsh teams would break current urc contracts etc.

It does still stand, but that doesn't mean he's right. Cutting a region is fine, so long as it's actually part of a plan. A lot of the talk seems to just be a knee jerk reaction to something. I think the "One Wales" strategy is at least something. It may not work, but at least they're going for it.

Said it before, but I don't think English clubs are in a much better position. They're just bigger.

 

[Bluemoon]

It does still stand, but that doesn't mean he's right. Cutting a region is fine, so long as it's actually part of a plan. A lot of the talk seems to just be a knee jerk reaction to something. I think the "One Wales" strategy is at least something. It may not work, but at least they're going for it.

Said it before, but I don't think English clubs are in a much better position. They're just bigger.

Yeah I don't think he's right either, looking what happened post Celtic Warriors, the fans of that area will vanish and the resulting player pathway serving too large an area.

The bit that's getting a bit walesonliney is this idea of what he's saying is controversial. He's pointing out we can't afford 4 as it stands, which is supported by what's going on. How we might move to a different model of teams is a separate issue and every man and has dog will have a thought about that.

 

[higgik]

Barnes suggesting Anglo Welsh league.
Could be a good idea, but would like 2 Welsh and 8 English.
They should also be Franchises with a development league of 20 franchises below, each pro franchise has 2 development teams allocated.
That way there is a direct pathway from school-club-development-pro-national

 

[higgik]

Barnes suggesting Anglo Welsh league.
Could be a good idea, but would like 2 Welsh and 8 English.
They should also be Franchises with a development league of 20 franchises below, each pro franchise has 2 development teams allocated.
That way there is a direct pathway from school-club-development-pro-national

Forgot to add link.

Ex-England player's radical 10-team Anglo-Welsh League idea would exclude three Premiership clubs

Stuart Barnes has floated a radical Anglo-Welsh Premiership idea that would involve demoting three current English top-flight teams to the Championship.

www.planetrugby.com