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SF is an all time laugh at the min. Love reading it, full of fruit loops. Give them their credit they are passionate but some of the posters are clueless.

Scarlets are not the big time Charlie's they think they are anymore.

SF and MF are my two favourite rugby forums (besides TRF). The hate for the Ospreys... unreal.

I always enjoy SF during the preseason. All their no-names whom they have never seen play are going to save the day. See, Dragons are poor, but we knows it.

I like those teams, Dull. Could be interesting if they did that sometime. West need a fullback though, and development need some centres. Also, drop Manu, Sidoli, Stower, Copeland, etc. No need to develop foreigners/play oldies. (Unless the senior player is actually good)
 
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I like those teams, Dull. Could be interesting if they did that sometime. West need a fullback though, and development need some centres. Also, drop Manu, Sidoli, Stower, Copeland, etc. No need to develop foreigners/play oldies. (Unless the senior player is actually good)

I would drop those named if there were better players to replace them. I also wanted to add some older players for experience. No point having a team full of youngsters, as they will have no-one to learn from. Agree with Sidoli though on second thought, he's rubbish now. Manu and Stowers would still possibly have something to give though.

Also realised that it would make more sense to shift Priestland over to the East and Tovey or Sam Davies over to the West. If Priestland regained some form, it'd be silly to have him and Biggar at the same region.
 
You ought to put all of McCusker, North and Fenby in the North Wales side so they can have some local players.

I think Wales should use a county system and have the teams named as counties (a couple may need to be merged counties) instead of regions (really just clubs Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli). That way fans of say Ebbw Vale can support the county they are in instead of feeling they are supporting rivals Newport.

There are so many counties down South, that you end up with a similar problem to before, i.e. what to call them. Simply splitting South Wales into two 'regions' East and West would be the simplest way forward because people do associate themselves with either the East or the West, even if only very loosely in some cases.

Looking at the teams I've proposed, they aren't necessarily stronger than the top Irish, English or French teams. You would hope by going down to 2+1 teams (with the North Wales region getting less money to begin with), there would also be the money to import a small number of top foreign players to compliment the squads in certain positions, not to mention drawing back some of the Welsh players playing elsewhere. Money should also be available to get some high quality, proven coaches in place, foreign if necessary to begin with, but with Welsh coaches being developed in the Premiership. The standard of Welsh coaches is simply shocking.

I agree with McCusker and Fenby being in the North Wales region psychic duck, but North would not develop fully in a development region, so he'd need to be in one of the others imo.

I think that a scheme similar to this would also speed up the development of rugby in North Wales. Having a team to support playing in the Pro12 would be a big deal imo. It may not be the best team ever, but on paper it wouldn't be the worst in the league. The quality of player is better than the Dragons at present.

Maybe there's room in the plan to create a Mid Wales 'region' similar to the current North Wales one. Not entirely sure the population required is present though. I have always believed that a lot of untapped talent is being missed in Mid Wales. I never remember scouts being present at Penweddig matches despite there being some very good players on display, that with the proper coaches could have been developed into regional players.

This exercise has shown me that we currently only have the player pool for two proper regions if we want both to be genuinely competing for both the Pro12 ***le and HC every year. Two strong regions with a third to develop the young players coming through and harness the potential playing talent of North Wales is imo better than having 1 strongish region, 2 mediocre ones and 1 poor one. Unfortunately neither the regions or the fans will likely embrace such a scheme as the old rivalries still dominate Welsh rugby, to its detriment.
 
Munsterfans...

They-who-must-not-be named. Fair play, after the Os turned them over in May, I had a good time rereading the match thread as the loss progressed and the subsequent fallout.

I was feeling tired and fed up until I Googled that. Cheered me up to no end. Bookmarked. Brilliant.
 
Good news for the Turks. He will make a change from Priestland and Thomas. They should wave some more cash and try to bring him in now.

Gutted about the loss to the Wasps. We actually resemble something of a professional outfit. We really do need a few player to build this team on. A solid few props, good second row and a first or second five would be lovely.

Jonathan Evans is without a doubt the in-form Welsh scrum half. Better than the turks' half a dozen scrum halves and miles ahead of Lloyd Williams/Lewis Jones. Jack Dixon is the centre, by the way. I hope we don't 'Roberts' him.
 
anybody else watch that Gareth Thomas thing? seeing alfie I swear he was 100% straight, decent insight for the future movie lol
 
In other news, how an earth has Marc Breeze managed to get a contract extension with the Cardiff Blues? Have they not realised he is seriously crap. The Ospreys and London Welsh both realised this and didn't play him much at all and then released him, but the Blues seemingly haven't.

On the subject of Blues hookers, I wonder if Marc Jones will be moving there this season. He only signed on for one extra year last season.
He wanted to move to Wales to help his international prospects, and to be fair - if he plays as well as he has/can then I could see him making it there.
 
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On the subject of Blues hookers, I wonder if Marc Jones will be moving there this season. He only signed on for one extra year last season.
He wanted to move to Wales to help his international prospects, and to be fair - if he plays as well as he has/can then I could see him making it there.

Considering they have just re-signed Breeze, and have been linked to Rees, I can't see it. They also have Williams, Dacey, and Kyriacou.
 
Are any of the regions in need of/short of a hooker?
I only mentioned Blues as that's where he was rumoured to be off to last year.
 
Are any of the regions in need of/short of a hooker?
I only mentioned Blues as that's where he was rumoured to be off to last year.

Ospreys could, as Hibbard will be away with Wales much of the time, and maybe Baldwin. We are developing Parry and Gustafson (and I hope Sollis, if he makes a full recovery). Turks have Owens, Myhill, and Phillips.
 
Pretty tragic yet widely unreported.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/feb/01/bridgend-maesteg-death-welsh-rugby

Not that the WRU cares about club rugby or whatever. They are making money every year so why should they?

Should be caring, this is where players initially come from. WRU in regard to the situation in Div 2 West have not really cared what has gone on. But it all came about from the shambles of the handling of the Pontypool RFC situation in the summer.

Maesteg are in Aberystwyth's division. They have a big playing budget in hope to get out of the division. But their money has fluctuated in periods over the last couple of years, with problems behind the scene. But it is a very tragic situation for both clubs mentioned in the article.
 
They pull the nippers through the academies now. U16, U18, U20, stint with the 7s and then Wales. The obvious flaw is if you develop/enter the game later and not eligible for academies, etc.
We will always suffer from population and the fact that it is barely 60 miles between Newport and Llanelli.
 
They pull the nippers through the academies now. U16, U18, U20, stint with the 7s and then Wales. The obvious flaw is if you develop/enter the game later and not eligible for academies, etc.
We will always suffer from population and the fact that it is barely 60 miles between Newport and Llanelli.

Ye they do, but where are these players initially developed?
 
Ye they do, but where are these players initially developed?

That varies, schools, etc. (I wholly agree with you) What I am saying is that the clubs don't interest the WRU enough, and it is shortsighted on their behalf. I really hope that the European schedule gets sorted along with the Heineken Cup. The Pro12 really lacks excitement for the most part. LV Cup isn't really needed for Welsh clubs either. No HEC spot to gain, hence we run U20's and the oldies out. Italy improving, however, could really help the Pro12. Inversely, we seem to be on the downslope lately, while Scotland are unpredictable. In fact, look at Scotland. Major rugby area was the borders, and yet there is no club there. Money is needed, and where there is no sizable population, you won't get much of it.
 
Not saying the clubs are necessarily wrong, or the WRU aren't to blame. As I don't know enough about the situation to comment.

But from reading about the clubs, there does seem to be a bit of blame culture from them in general. None of them have admitted their own mistakes as rugby went professional and they seem to be anarchic and moan and whinge whatever WRU does, and never put anything down to themselves.

The WRU in my opinion needs to make some firm but hard decisions in the near future about the Welsh rugby, that won't perhaps suit all but will be the best way forward. But I bet whatever they do will be greeted by a load of moaning clubs pining for a return to amateur era.

The same clubs whose bickering made a mess of the foundation of the regional system (another thing they all love to moan about religiously).

But considering the WRU have taken away funding and not promised things they have done in the past then the clubs should feel anger towards the WRU.

It was not that long ago to get a ticket to a Wales game you would have to sign up to your local rugby club, thus helping that club to gain revenue. With the sales of tickets also part of the money sold from the ticket would go back to the clubs that sold them. Sadly this has changed. Since this, the WRU have made quite a bit of money from a deal with Tesco's which they detail. When Roger Lewis was questioned about it, he defelected the question and refused to answer the question. He gave a very politician style answer.

The shambles of the handling of the Pontypool RFC situation had a knock on affect from clubs also. It delayed the release of the fixture list. In Division 2 West there should be 12 teams, instead there are 11 and in Division 2 East there are 13. Tylerstown were placed in the West, but took the WRU to court because they felt that they should be playing in the East as they have always done and that travelling would inccur them great costs. Of course they won their battle and were granted their place in the East. The implication of this is that the sides in the West have one less home game, which is potential income for clubs in the division. When a letter was sent to the WRU inregards to this, the WRU failed to reply. Aberystwyth is the team that travels the longest in terms of distance throughout the season and the club has never complained about it.

WRU has a lot to answer for. It's a board that should be supporting clubs.
 
Neither the clubs nor WRU are faultless.
The WRU has been discussed, but the clubs have often been antagonistic and done little to advance past the amateur era.

Whatever happens, we cannot scrap the regions for a return to clubs.
 

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