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obviously someone who knows not a lot about food, there are many great dishes that are everyday food in France, the same aplies in France if you know what you are doing, just one small idea, you have Shepards pie we have Hache Parmentier which is usually duck or wild boar instead of the minced beef, quick cheap the boar is even cheaper costs me nothing and beats Shepards pie by a country mile

Not you again. Literally, you are always the first to try and dredge up the French / English rivalry. Such a momenental dick.
Can you please try reading other peoples comments as something other than a dig at the french and see how far it gets you? I wasn't even being derogative about steak hache - it's unbelievably nice by my recollection - my point is just that its now arguably the most popular dish to have out. There's lots of excellent french food that is simple and uncomplicated - again, times have changed.

I don't give a flying crap about Shepherds pie and never said I did (actually I don't even eat meat and haven't for 6 years now) - my point is just that even the greatest cuisines respond to changing lifestyles and busy lives over time so its disengenuous to try and claim that all of France dines on michelin star food. People in the modern world tend to do whats convenient and complex French dishes don't always respond to that; sure, you have wild boar parmentier sometimes but I doubt you cook it all the time.
If it helps at all, I think French food is more interesting and I guess, better than English.
 
Not you again. Literally, you are always the first to try and dredge up the French / English rivalry. Such a momenental dick.
Can you please try reading other peoples comments as something other than a dig at the french and see how far it gets you? I wasn't even being derogative about steak hache - it's unbelievably nice by my recollection - my point is just that its now arguably the most popular dish to have out. There's lots of excellent french food that is simple and uncomplicated - again, times have changed.

I don't give a flying crap about Shepherds pie and never said I did (actually I don't even eat meat and haven't for 6 years now) - my point is just that even the greatest cuisines respond to changing lifestyles and busy lives over time so its disengenuous to try and claim that all of France dines on michelin star food. People in the modern world tend to do whats convenient and complex French dishes don't always respond to that; sure, you have wild boar parmentier sometimes but I doubt you cook it all the time.
If it helps at all, I think French food is more interesting and I guess, better than English.

In the good old days before the autoroutes, there used to be hundreds and hundreds of "cafes"which served home cooked meals of very high quality for little money. They were "cheffed" by cooks who had years of experience and knew how to use all sorts of produce for lorry drivers or anyone else.

Since the advent of the motorway and supermarkets in France, the division between Michelin class food and the rest is now wider and wider and there are nowhere near the same number of restaurants either on the roads or even in the towns and villages who actually have "chefs" who really can or have the time to cook all the food they serve from the start.....more often than not it is like English pubs who produce servings from bags or servings sent to them from a central depot or their nearby supermarket!

There are good pubs or restaurants in both England and France that do have decent chefs who care and do not pretend to be worthy of or want Michelin Stars.....but they are hard to find and are even harder to get into due to their scarcity.........and can be almost as expensive as a Michelin one!!!

Generally, I have eaten better at the homes of English friends in France than with French friends here!!!

But, of course, it is all a matter of taste and experiences...........and pot luck!!
 
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Not you again. Literally, you are always the first to try and dredge up the French / English rivalry. Such a momenental dick.
Can you please try reading other peoples comments as something other than a dig at the french and see how far it gets you? I wasn't even being derogative about steak hache - it's unbelievably nice by my recollection - my point is just that its now arguably the most popular dish to have out. There's lots of excellent french food that is simple and uncomplicated - again, times have changed.

I don't give a flying crap about Shepherds pie and never said I did (actually I don't even eat meat and haven't for 6 years now) - my point is just that even the greatest cuisines respond to changing lifestyles and busy lives over time so its disengenuous to try and claim that all of France dines on michelin star food. People in the modern world tend to do whats convenient and complex French dishes don't always respond to that; sure, you have wild boar parmentier sometimes but I doubt you cook it all the time.
If it helps at all, I think French food is more interesting and I guess, better than English.

If you worded better with less arrogance and aggression, you may get better reponses and its got nothing to do with rivalry, its all to do with cooking as a former pub and restaurant in both countrees i do know a little on the subject leave the dick out next time so easy to be rude on paper or screen, man up and use polite English if you can, or are you just another of those virtual toughies hiding behind a screen!!!!!!!!!
 
The great glory of French cooking was never its Michelin stars, but rather a pervasive glut of excellent everyday cooking, so that you could go to just about any small cafe or restaurant and be fed well with recipes that had been given real thought, by cooks who knew what they were doing, using good produce. It's no longer true, but French cuisine was/is just as famous for its bistros and cafes as for its haute cuisine. And it was probably that pervasive level of everyday good food that allowed them to produce so many amazing dishes.

I believe historically the reason was that the French revolution meant that many noble's cooks found them out of a job, and had to find a way to put their skills to financial use, which meant restaurants. And that Lyon became a culinary centre due to the amount of wealthy travel through it, and all the eating houses that popped up to support not only the rich men, but also their servants and grooms. At least, so I've read.
 
How the hell did we get back to cooking? This is supposed to be about Sam!!! How can we reconcile the two??!

I know!!

Let's talk about SAMMICHES!! :D

My favorite's baloney. :)

(Not really.)

das
 
Believe it or not, most of France is sourcing and supplying its restaurants with local seasonal produce and where we live we have a massive choice of good quality restos that offer 4/5 course meals for around 25€ which is great value for money. plus of course we have the sun so we can eat on the terraces often. Michelin star restos are great but very expensive so it becomes a real treat when you go, well it is for us we are just poor French peasants who love rugby!!!!!!
 
(sorry das) I feel lots of apprehension about some ppl talking about France's cuisine. Some comments were just funny, not to be arrogant, they just are. You read analyses online of guys who don't have a clue what they're talking about going on with great big conclusions about what French food is, and isn't. It's cute. And it's funny.

But for the rest, this is what I can add (that I haven't already said): the basic expectations of the ppl here are much higher than the ppl of any other country I've encountered. Even your common bloke here requires a certain quality for what he puts in his plate daily. Even McDonald's goes through a certain filtering to insure a certain quality of meat, because otherwise the people just won't have it.

I remember once in particular, I hadn't been out of Qatar in 3 years, had only been to the States before that streak, and Australia notably. I'd got so used to regular shiitty food when I just went out for a quick meal somewhere in those 3 years, my body had developed a standard staleness in terms of appreciation for food. And then I finally "come home" one summer, and we're in Paris, tiny neighborhood, not fancy one bit...get out of the hotel, go for breakfast around 11am, outside on the terrace, the most regular bistro/caffé you'll see. I ordered a full platter: the croissant, jams, bread, "brioche", along with that little coffee...I couldn't focus on anything else but the food. Later on, the whole family went for dinner in the same area, some typical narrow little Parisian restaurant, with the books inside, the old school decor. I had a "pavé de saumon" (cooked salmon) along with rice with sauce. Again, it was a delight compared to all the shiit I'd had so far in 3 years, I'd forgotten the level in France. Just the Béarnaise sauce that came along, the perfect cooking of the rice, the right consistency perfectly complementary to the tender yet firm salmon...

I'm just saying: it's the little things sometimes too, and obviously esp. with the economical crisis, moms don't dish out fkn fillet mignon every day to their kids, they give em pasta and some form of protein; but beyond the Michelin stars and incredible gastronomy, there are those little Parisian bistros, those high quality pastry breakfasts with those smoked smells, the character in the food, the presentation, and let's not forget France invented the concept of eating and drinking the adequate wine with the food. And NO, no...sorry, it isn't snobbish. It really is a higher level of appreciating owning a palate.
 
It took me 4 years to get a decent croissant after moving to Paris and I had to leave Paris to get it.

I honestly think it's just like anywhere else. Good and bad food if you don't know where you are going.
 
It took me 4 years to get a decent croissant after moving to Paris and I had to leave Paris to get it.

I honestly think it's just like anywhere else. Good and bad food if you don't know where you are going.

It took me three days to find a decently priced pint last time I was in Paris. Enough to make me decide to never live there.
 
The great glory of French cooking was never its Michelin stars, but rather a pervasive glut of excellent everyday cooking, so that you could go to just about any small cafe or restaurant and be fed well with recipes that had been given real thought, by cooks who knew what they were doing, using good produce. It's no longer true, but French cuisine was/is just as famous for its bistros and cafes as for its haute cuisine. And it was probably that pervasive level of everyday good food that allowed them to produce so many amazing dishes.

I believe historically the reason was that the French revolution meant that many noble's cooks found them out of a job, and had to find a way to put their skills to financial use, which meant restaurants. And that Lyon became a culinary centre due to the amount of wealthy travel through it, and all the eating houses that popped up to support not only the rich men, but also their servants and grooms. At least, so I've read.

Could not have put it better!!

As for pint...........the French do not do bitter but their lager beer is as good of most of the c*** lager sold in the UK although, like everything in a service industry, when served in a bar it is pretty expensive - but blame Hollande and his taxes and 35 hours week for that!!!
 
As for pint...........the French do not do bitter but their lager beer is as good of most of the c*** lager sold in the UK although, like everything in a service industry, when served in a bar it is pretty expensive - but blame Hollande and his taxes and 35 hours week for that!!!

Unless a country has a lager tradition you can pretty much garuantee that the lagers they sell will be differing shades of ****.
There's nothing wrong with pisswater - but it is what it is.

Do the French drink Stouts or Porters at all in your experience? I'm guessing not...
 
Unless a country has a lager tradition you can pretty much garuantee that the lagers they sell will be differing shades of ****.
There's nothing wrong with pisswater - but it is what it is.

Do the French drink Stouts or Porters at all in your experience? I'm guessing not...

You can get Guiness as there a huge number of "Irish" pubs around this, like every other, countries but the only place to get a decent one is Eire!!

As for lager........http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...distinguish-big-brands-blind-taste-tests.html
 
Lager mostly tastes the same because it's served too cold - obviously it's mass produced, but still... if you drank them warm then they'd probably be quite distinguishable, if not exactly pleasant.
 
Although the French are not the greatest of beer drinkers they tend to drink your blonde lager type beer which is always a bit like heineken (crap), but if you go to a decent bar the selection of Northern France beers and Belgium beers are fantastic i have a fridge stocked with just that plus bottled guiness yes bottled and i have yet to find anyone from Blighty who does not like them THE ONLY PROBLEM IS SOME OF THE BELGIUM BEERS CAN BE 11:14° quite strong but great taste.....
 
It took me 4 years to get a decent croissant after moving to Paris and I had to leave Paris to get it.

I honestly think it's just like anywhere else. Good and bad food if you don't know where you are going.

maybe it's not what it used to be/should be everywhere nowadays, as they just don't put in the effort, but you just can't say finding decent pastry in France is rare. 4 years to find a decent croissant, just where the fk do you live in Paris man ? I live in fkn Draguignan dude, some small town in the Var, southeast. Our local baker/pâtissier makes stuff better than what I've tasted in some 5-star hotels around the world. And I'm not even exaggerating.
Same in Antibes at my friend's house, and Southeast we're not nearly known for the quality of pastries. Excellent almond croissants and "pains au chocolat", nothing like the commercial replicated shiit you eat in other countries. We had em every day, and we sure didn't complain. Our friend over from Canada was moaning while he was savoring it.

I also vociferously disagree "lager" is lager, like there's no difference. Go Belgian, local abbey French, or German. Some Czech stuff too, with the German influence.
I was talking to a Belgian guy (Flamke side) in Qatar and I told him I disliked most Dutch beer I'd tasted, and he told me over there in Belgium they laughed at Dutch beer all the time. Belgian beer is just something else, and even their mass-produced more commercial stuff (Affligem, Leffe in particular) are exquisite for stuff you can buy in supermarkets; i.e. not locally produced/"homebrewed".
 
maybe it's not what it used to be/should be everywhere nowadays, as they just don't put in the effort, but you just can't say finding decent pastry in France is rare. 4 years to find a decent croissant, just where the fk do you live in Paris man ? I live in fkn Draguignan dude, some small town in the Var, southeast. Our local baker/pâtissier makes stuff better than what I've tasted in some 5-star hotels around the world. And I'm not even exaggerating.
Same in Antibes at my friend's house, and Southeast we're not nearly known for the quality of pastries. Excellent almond croissants and "pains au chocolat", nothing like the commercial replicated shiit you eat in other countries. We had em every day, and we sure didn't complain. Our friend over from Canada was moaning while he was savoring it.

I also vociferously disagree "lager" is lager, like there's no difference. Go Belgian, local abbey French, or German. Some Czech stuff too, with the German influence.
I was talking to a Belgian guy (Flamke side) in Qatar and I told him I disliked most Dutch beer I'd tasted, and he told me over there in Belgium they laughed at Dutch beer all the time. Belgian beer is just something else, and even their mass-produced more commercial stuff (Affligem, Leffe in particular) are exquisite for stuff you can buy in supermarkets; i.e. not locally produced/"homebrewed".

I think it was a case of I just didn't know how poor they were until I got a really good one.

I lived in the 16th for 4 years.

I agree with you about lager. There are plenty of decent lagers and ciders in France.
 

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